Zimmerman's brother melts down on Twitter - LMFAO!!!!

[Jack T. Cross]

They have to prove that he went into the encounter planning to maim or kill Martin. If they charged him with manslaughter or something else, I think he'd be fucked.

This is what they're working with in this case:

"The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree..."

[Soul Crusher]

so the prosecutor left manslaughter OFF the list of charges?  If so, that's pretty big.  Defense will bend over to plead to 8 years for manslaughter.  Jury will have to choose - should zimm get 20 years or should he be free tomorrow?   Do we want 10 million zimmerman's running thru the streets with 9mm, chasing minors who had committed no crime, then "engaging" them leading to shooting?

I think right or wrong, he's fuucked.

The DA FUCKED UP!!!!

When Zimm walks and you are melting down - remember - the DA and the racist black twinks like andre and blacke  are to blame

[Shockwave]

This is what they're working with in this case:

"The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree..."

You're splitting hairs.

Pre-meditated is generally a thought out plan to kill someone, think going back to the house to get your gun and returning to shoot Martin.

2nd degree would be Zimmerman suddenly deciding that he was going to confront Martin knowing full well that the situation is going to become violent and has a high chance of injury or death.

I think the Prosecution absolutely MUST prove Zimmerman's story about Martin coming back to confront him wrong, or Zimmerman could walk on self defense. If they can't, or if Zimmerman has evidence to support his claim that Martin came up to his truck, Zimm probably has a pretty cut and dried self defense case.

You guys are arguing on a lot of speculation and assumptions, which is fine, but it's impossible to know how that would go over, it would all depend on the type of jurors sitting in the seats at the time.

[Roger Bacon]

Rough, Rough...no wheel yourself back to the G&O gimmick where your idiocy is tolerated

E Kunts Worst Nightmare.jpg... hahah!!! 

[Roger Bacon]

I will be in Bronx Supreme tommorow at 9 am , room 705 tommorow,   We can discuss this tommorow. 

Andre - time to man up twink

Not a fucking chance! 

[Jack T. Cross]

You're splitting hairs.

Pre-meditated is generally a thought out plan to kill someone, think going back to the house to get your gun and returning to shoot Martin.

2nd degree would be Zimmerman suddenly deciding that he was going to confront Martin knowing full well that the situation is going to become violent and has a high chance of injury or death.

I think the Prosecution absolutely MUST prove Zimmerman's story about Martin coming back to confront him wrong, or Zimmerman could walk on self defense. If they can't, or if Zimmerman has evidence to support his claim that Martin came up to his truck, Zimm probably has a pretty cut and dried self defense case.

You guys are arguing on a lot of speculation and assumptions, which is fine, but it's impossible to know how that would go over, it would all depend on the type of jurors sitting in the seats at the time.

It is exactly what it says it is.  The creating of an imminently dangerous situation, revealing a disregard of moral respect for life.  A jury simply needs to buy that Zimmerman did that.

If you don't believe it, look up 2nd degree murder for Florida.

[240 is Back]

Pre-meditated is generally a thought out plan to kill someone, think going back to the house to get your gun and returning to shoot Martin.

pre-meditated is acting with malice.   Did he?

[Jack T. Cross]

They don't need to show premeditation, gents.

[Shockwave]

It is exactly what it says it is.  The creating of an imminently dangerous situation, revealing a disregard of moral respect for life.  A jury simply needs to buy that Zimmerman did that.

If you don't believe it, look up 2nd degree murder for Florida.

Ill do that, but I'm pretty sure he has to have some sort of intent to cause injury or death.

And.going by your definition, I don't think that they can prove that either.

[240 is Back]

They don't need to show premeditation, gents.

You are completely correct.

Second degree murder is a murder that is not premeditated or planned in advance.  

Zimm is charged with 2nd degree murder.   how silly of us to be arguing pre-meditation when the prosecutor isn't doing that

you're right.

[240 is Back]

First degree   was planned and deliberate
was contracted
was committed against an identified peace officer
while committing or attempting to commit the hijacking of an aircraft
while committing or attempting to commit sexual assault
while committing or attempting to commit sexual assault with a weapon
while committing or attempting to commit aggravated sexual assault
while committing or attempting to commit kidnapping and forcible confinement
during a hostage taking
while committing criminal harassment
was committed during terrorist activity
while using explosives in association with a criminal organization
while committing intimidation.[6]


Second degree   any murder which is not first degree murder

[Jack T. Cross]

It's simple as can be, bros.  This is the definition:

"The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree..."

[Roger Bacon]

Earth-shattering

I'll call up the defense and let them know!

[Jack T. Cross]

You are completely correct.

Second degree murder is a murder that is not premeditated or planned in advance.  

Zimm is charged with 2nd degree murder.   how silly of us to be arguing pre-meditation when the prosecutor isn't doing that

you're right.

The angle will be that Martin was rightfully fighting for his life, due to becoming aware of the gun.  I can't see any other way this would be approached.

[Jack T. Cross]

Earth-shattering

I'll call up the defense and let them know!

I'm sure they're more aware of it than anyone else.

[Shockwave]

You are completely correct.

Second degree murder is a murder that is not premeditated or planned in advance.  

Zimm is charged with 2nd degree murder.   how silly of us to be arguing pre-meditation when the prosecutor isn't doing that

you're right.

I was gonna say, you were the only one talking about pre-meditation there bro.

[Jack T. Cross]

Shit has to be a certain way, or it would be too easy to kill without due consequence.

[Jack T. Cross]

I was gonna say, you were the only one talking about pre-meditation there bro.

Maybe he got sidetracked when you said this:

They have to prove that he went into the encounter planning to maim or kill Martin. If they charged him with manslaughter or something else, I think he'd be fucked.

[Jack T. Cross]

So the exact same reasons why you guys mentioned Manslaughter, will satisfy a Murder in the 2nd.

(but a jury may choose to believe Zimmerman's story, and ignore the rest.  No question about it)

[Shockwave]

The angle will be that Martin was rightfully fighting for his life, due to becoming aware of the gun.  I can't see any other way this would be approached.

I'm sure they'll use that angle, but they still have to prove that Zimmerman wasn't getting the shit kicked out of him, at the time that he started to pull the gun, in addition to proving that Martin did not attack zimmerman first.

If they can't provide pretty substantial evidence that zimmerman initiated the physical confrontation, hell walk on self defense.

If zimmermans story that Martin confronted him holds up, that's all she wrote...

[Shockwave]

Maybe he got sidetracked when you said this:

Yeah, I suppose could be misconstrued as talking about premeditation.

[Jack T. Cross]

I'm sure they'll use that angle, but they still have to prove that Zimmerman wasn't getting the shit kicked out of him, at the time that he started to pull the gun, in addition to proving that Martin did not attack zimmerman first.

If they can't provide pretty substantial evidence that zimmerman initiated the physical confrontation, hell walk on self defense.

If zimmermans story that Martin confronted him holds up, that's all she wrote...

A juror may believe that Zimmerman placed himself in the vicinity of Martin, where Martin became aware of the gun, and rightfully responded in a violent manner out of fear for his life.  It is absolutely believable for several reasons.

On the other hand, a juror may choose to believe Zimmerman.

[240 is Back]

If they can't provide pretty substantial evidence that zimmerman initiated the physical confrontation, hell walk on self defense.
If zimmermans story that Martin confronted him holds up, that's all she wrote...

In many cases, they don't have anything but a dead guy, a gun, and a guy lawyering up.   And in many of those cases, dude is found guilty without witnesses because he can't really prove why he killed the dude.

In this case... zimm killed a man.  The events leading up to the shooting matter a great deal. If they didn't have that 911 call, MAYBE he could claim self defense with the bump and nose.  however, the evidence really shows him being the aggressor... he's running after trayvon with a gun - as trayvon tries to escape - seconds before trayvon is killed.

but they still have to prove that Zimmerman wasn't getting the shit kicked out of him, at the time that he started to pull the gun, in addition to proving that Martin did not attack zimmerman first.

Is this true?  The prosecutor cannot prove space aliens or ninjas didn't do it either. 

I guess I find it hard to believe that I can go out once a week, shoot a man in the heart with no witnesses... come home with a few cuts... and as long as the system can't PROVE i wasn't attacked, I'm free to go?

I guess we'll learn a lot in this case... unless dude pleads to 8 to 11 years and serves 5.

[Radical Plato]

I wouldn't put it past Zimmerpig causing his own injuries - he truly is a sociopath.

[andreisdaman]

which court are you being sentenced in?