MSNBC Host: Your Kids Belong to the Collective

[Soul Crusher]

New MSNBC promo: You have the right to health care, education, housing, and food at all times


posted at 3:21 pm on April 10, 2013 by Allahpundit






Via Newsbusters, something to tide you over on a news day that started out fast and has slowed considerably. Give Harris-Perry credit, at least, for fine-tuning her messaging. You’re not going to sell swing voters on far-left liberalism by telling them their kids don’t really belong to them, but tell them that they have a right “at all times” to things they need and you’re golden. If you polled the public on whether people should have a right to all of this, where would the numbers top out? Seventy percent? Eighty? The American public loves, loves, loves government spending, partly because they’re never asked to consider the zero-sum nature of federal expenditures in a budget that balances and partly because they still don’t fully appreciate the consequences of endless borrowing. Both parties spent years shrugging at the fallacy that current spending levels can be supported by current tax rates. Under those circumstances, why wouldn’t the average low-information think everyone should have the right to housing, food, etc? Throw in the right to phone service and personal transportation while you’re at it. Put it on our collective tab.
 
Note, per Newsbusters, that she’s all for having the most productive members of society earn “a little more.” Whew. By the way, if you think these promos are bad now, just wait.


http://hotair.com/archives/2013/04/10/new-msnbc-promo-you-have-the-right-to-health-care-education-housing-and-food-at-all-times

[tonymctones]

New MSNBC promo: You have the right to health care, education, housing, and food at all times


posted at 3:21 pm on April 10, 2013 by Allahpundit






Via Newsbusters, something to tide you over on a news day that started out fast and has slowed considerably. Give Harris-Perry credit, at least, for fine-tuning her messaging. You’re not going to sell swing voters on far-left liberalism by telling them their kids don’t really belong to them, but tell them that they have a right “at all times” to things they need and you’re golden. If you polled the public on whether people should have a right to all of this, where would the numbers top out? Seventy percent? Eighty? The American public loves, loves, loves government spending, partly because they’re never asked to consider the zero-sum nature of federal expenditures in a budget that balances and partly because they still don’t fully appreciate the consequences of endless borrowing. Both parties spent years shrugging at the fallacy that current spending levels can be supported by current tax rates. Under those circumstances, why wouldn’t the average low-information think everyone should have the right to housing, food, etc? Throw in the right to phone service and personal transportation while you’re at it. Put it on our collective tab.
 
Note, per Newsbusters, that she’s all for having the most productive members of society earn “a little more.” Whew. By the way, if you think these promos are bad now, just wait.


http://hotair.com/archives/2013/04/10/new-msnbc-promo-you-have-the-right-to-health-care-education-housing-and-food-at-all-times

hahahah holy shit these libtard fundies are bat shit crazy!!!

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Time to shut this post down.  Here is what she ACTUALLY SAID


"We have never invested as much in public education as we should have because we've always had kind of a private notion of children: Your kid is yours and totally your responsibility. We haven't had a very collective notion of these are our children. So part of it is we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents, or kids belong to their families, and recognize that kids belong to whole communities. Once it's everybody's responsibility, and not just the household's, then we start making better investments.

And she's absolutely correct.

[whork]

Time to shut this post down.  Here is what she ACTUALLY SAID


"We have never invested as much in public education as we should have because we've always had kind of a private notion of children: Your kid is yours and totally your responsibility. We haven't had a very collective notion of these are our children. So part of it is we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents, or kids belong to their families, and recognize that kids belong to whole communities. Once it's everybody's responsibility, and not just the household's, then we start making better investments.

And she's absolutely correct.

This was what she said?

Pip and Tony owe her an apology.

[tonymctones]

Time to shut this post down.  Here is what she ACTUALLY SAID


"We have never invested as much in public education as we should have because we've always had kind of a private notion of children: Your kid is yours and totally your responsibility. We haven't had a very collective notion of these are our children. So part of it is we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents, or kids belong to their families, and recognize that kids belong to whole communities. Once it's everybody's responsibility, and not just the household's, then we start making better investments.

And she's absolutely correct.

hahah I watched the full clip before I posted...

She is not correct at all the kids belong to the parents, while the community obviously has a vested interest in their children they have no role in the values, beliefs and morals UNLESS THE PARENTS DEEM IT OK...

IE they do not belong to the community.

when you make "investments" you want a say in how those "investments" are made. It isnt up to the community to say how you should raise YOUR CHILD so long as the child is not in harm.

[tonymctones]

New MSNBC promo: You have the right to health care, education, housing, and food at all times


posted at 3:21 pm on April 10, 2013 by Allahpundit






Via Newsbusters, something to tide you over on a news day that started out fast and has slowed considerably. Give Harris-Perry credit, at least, for fine-tuning her messaging. You’re not going to sell swing voters on far-left liberalism by telling them their kids don’t really belong to them, but tell them that they have a right “at all times” to things they need and you’re golden. If you polled the public on whether people should have a right to all of this, where would the numbers top out? Seventy percent? Eighty? The American public loves, loves, loves government spending, partly because they’re never asked to consider the zero-sum nature of federal expenditures in a budget that balances and partly because they still don’t fully appreciate the consequences of endless borrowing. Both parties spent years shrugging at the fallacy that current spending levels can be supported by current tax rates. Under those circumstances, why wouldn’t the average low-information think everyone should have the right to housing, food, etc? Throw in the right to phone service and personal transportation while you’re at it. Put it on our collective tab.
 
Note, per Newsbusters, that she’s all for having the most productive members of society earn “a little more.” Whew. By the way, if you think these promos are bad now, just wait.


http://hotair.com/archives/2013/04/10/new-msnbc-promo-you-have-the-right-to-health-care-education-housing-and-food-at-all-times

did you two fundie libtards watch this clip as well?

Im guessing you two agree with this too

[MCWAY]

hahah I watched the full clip before I posted...

She is not correct at all the kids belong to the parents, while the community obviously has a vested interest in their children they have no role in the values, beliefs and morals UNLESS THE PARENTS DEEM IT OK...

IE they do not belong to the community.

when you make "investments" you want a say in how those "investments" are made. It isnt up to the community to say how you should raise YOUR CHILD so long as the child is not in harm.

Contrary to Vince's warped claims, we know full well what Harris-Perry said.

"Investments in education" is simply a liberal euphemism for coughing up more tax money in crappy public schools, prepetually propping up unions and paying teachers, regardless of how badly they suck at educating our kids.

I'd venture a guess to say that what Harris-Perry doesn't like about the concept of kids belonging to their parents is that they (depending on status in life) have the option of bailing on public schools and putting their kids in a school that will actually get the job done (even if they have to pay for that school themselves).

I'm sure she'd find something "racist" about that.

[MCWAY]

New MSNBC promo: You have the right to health care, education, housing, and food at all times


posted at 3:21 pm on April 10, 2013 by Allahpundit






Via Newsbusters, something to tide you over on a news day that started out fast and has slowed considerably. Give Harris-Perry credit, at least, for fine-tuning her messaging. You’re not going to sell swing voters on far-left liberalism by telling them their kids don’t really belong to them, but tell them that they have a right “at all times” to things they need and you’re golden. If you polled the public on whether people should have a right to all of this, where would the numbers top out? Seventy percent? Eighty? The American public loves, loves, loves government spending, partly because they’re never asked to consider the zero-sum nature of federal expenditures in a budget that balances and partly because they still don’t fully appreciate the consequences of endless borrowing. Both parties spent years shrugging at the fallacy that current spending levels can be supported by current tax rates. Under those circumstances, why wouldn’t the average low-information think everyone should have the right to housing, food, etc? Throw in the right to phone service and personal transportation while you’re at it. Put it on our collective tab.
 
Note, per Newsbusters, that she’s all for having the most productive members of society earn “a little more.” Whew. By the way, if you think these promos are bad now, just wait.


http://hotair.com/archives/2013/04/10/new-msnbc-promo-you-have-the-right-to-health-care-education-housing-and-food-at-all-times

Says who?

I remember reading somewhere something to the tune of, If any man would not work, neither should he eat!!

Now, this dizzy woman seems to think she and her ilk can put a cap on how much "more" a hard-working American can have. I wonder if she'd be spewing this garbage, if conservatives put a cap as to how much $$$$ she can collect at Tulane with this foolishness.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Contrary to Vince's warped claims, we know full well what Harris-Perry said.

"Investments in education" is simply a liberal euphemism for coughing up more tax money in crappy public schools, prepetually propping up unions and paying teachers, regardless of how badly they suck at educating our kids.

I'd venture a guess to say that what Harris-Perry doesn't like about the concept of kids belonging to their parents is that they (depending on status in life) have the option of bailing on public schools and putting their kids in a school that will actually get the job done (even if they have to pay for that school themselves).

I'm sure she'd find something "racist" about that.

She's simply saying that it takes a nation to raise a child....nothing more.  Kids are the responsibility of the community as well because not all parents teach right from wrong. 

[avxo]

She's simply saying that it takes a nation to raise a child....nothing more.  Kids are the responsibility of the community as well because not all parents teach right from wrong. 

Careful. This is a dangerous line you're treading. The meaning of the aphorism you quote isn't quite as expansive as you make it out to be.

If little Johnny isn't taught right from wrong at home, you can't step in and play Mommy. It's true that we, as a society, currently try to instill some sense of morality through school but that is a dangerous game to play and it's not clear we should be playing it.

[Hugo Chavez]

She's simply saying that it takes a nation to raise a child....nothing more.  Kids are the responsibility of the community as well because not all parents teach right from wrong.  

You're nuts on this. Who's right and wrong are we talking about?  The left's or right's version?  None of that is the communities responsibility and it's insane to suggest any different.  I absolutely don't want schools taking over the parent's responsibility in that area.  

[quadzilla456]

Speaking as someone who's been involved in education (albeit at the University level) you only have yourself to blame for that: you elect school boards whose members don't have 3 brain cells to rub together, are just as uneducated as the dumb kids the school system pumps out, and believe that not only are they qualified to decide what children should learn, but how they should be taught and what textbooks should say.

I've stood before a school board, asking the idiots on the other side to not cut math and science funding in favor of sports and art and you know what the answer was: "I don't know nothing about calculus and I did fine. I'm on the school board! Sports teach discipline and art teaches students to expand their mind. Our students already know that if you let go of a box it will fall or that if 2 and 2 is four, they don't need a year of physics or math to teach them that."

Unfortunately THAT is the kind of person who gets elected to school boards.

And it shows. Because the average American kid who gets into University can't read English well, can't write English well, can't do basic math, can't study and, worse still, can't think. And you have kids from overseas who come to our Universities and run circles around our students without even trying.

No it won't. Not as long as those good teachers are required by their idiot bosses to do stupid things like teaching that mystical beliefs are on an equal footing with science.

There is a reason for all this.

[quadzilla456]

There is a reason for all this.

The owner's of the country want more creatures like Vince. They are seeking a low iq populace.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Careful. This is a dangerous line you're treading. The meaning of the aphorism you quote isn't quite as expansive as you make it out to be.

If little Johnny isn't taught right from wrong at home, you can't step in and play Mommy. It's true that we, as a society, currently try to instill some sense of morality through school but that is a dangerous game to play and it's not clear we should be playing it.

It is a dangerous line.....but the fact is that the United States is a collective...there's only a disguise of freedom...try to not pay your taxes, renew your drivers license, get your car inspected, or threaten to kill the president and see what happens.  

Your property can be seized under immenient domain
Your bank account can be seized by the IRS
You can be imprisoned indefinitely (Patriot Act)

Big Brother....psst....welco me to 1984....

[Soul Crusher]

The kid was bullied at the school for years and they didnt do squat. 

It is a dangerous line.....but the fact is that the United States is a collective...there's only a disguise of freedom...try to not pay your taxes, renew your drivers license, get your car inspected, or threaten to kill the president and see what happens.  

Your property can be seized under immenient domain
Your bank account can be seized by the IRS
You can be imprisoned indefinitely (Patriot Act)

Big Brother....psst....welco me to 1984....

[Archer77]

In this collective it seems like they are collecting more from some than others. 

[avxo]

It is a dangerous line.....but the fact is that the United States is a collective...there's only a disguise of freedom...try to not pay your taxes, renew your drivers license, get your car inspected, or threaten to kill the president and see what happens.

A society must have certain laws - the legal framework under which we all agree to live. That legal framework has rules which include paying taxes, needing a drivers license to drive to exercise the privilege of driving and getting your car inspected if you want it on the public roadways.

I don't see what this has to do with the discussion at hand.

[tonymctones]

In this collective it seems like they are collecting more from some than others. 

thats b/c they view it as right

and according to vince its a ok for them to institutionalize your kids with their views of right and wrong

[George Whorewell]

A nation filled with children who grow up to be mindless homo's selling bee pollen on the internet? 

I'm not taking ownership of that.

If you're a shitty parent and you raised shitty children, they are your problem. Keep them the fuck away from me.

The essence of the Democratic party is the continuous creation of an endless number of useless, mindless, worthless constituents who are too stupid to fend for themselves, too lazy to work a real job and will vote in droves for the slave master who keeps their parasitic lives functioning in perpetuity( aka government).  Free food, free housing, illegal citizenship, affirmative action, government jobs for morons who would be better suited raking up trash on the highway, incompetent union slobs-- basically all the people who drag America into the toilet.




 

[George Whorewell]

A society must have certain laws - the legal framework under which we all agree to live. That legal framework has rules which include paying taxes, needing a drivers license to drive to exercise the privilege of driving and getting your car inspected if you want it on the public roadways.

I don't see what this has to do with the discussion at hand.

Nonsense. A free society means everything should be free for everyone who can't afford to pay. And those who can afford to pay, should pay for themselves and everyone else. Bigger government means more freedom. Don't you understand?

[quadzilla456]

A nation filled with children who grow up to be mindless homo's selling bee pollen on the internet? 

I'm not taking ownership of that.

If you're a shitty parent and you raised shitty children, they are your problem. Keep them the fuck away from me.

The essence of the Democratic party is the continuous creation of an endless number of useless, mindless, worthless constituents who are too stupid to fend for themselves, too lazy to work a real job and will vote in droves for the slave master who keeps their parasitic lives functioning in perpetuity( aka government).  Free food, free housing, illegal citizenship, affirmative action, government jobs for morons who would be better suited raking up trash on the highway, incompetent union slobs-- basically all the people who drag America into the toilet.

Exactly. The Democratic party is starting to resemble communist Soviet Union more and more each day. It was a failed experiment - why try it all over again?

[Soul Crusher]

Bingo!

A nation filled with children who grow up to be mindless homo's selling bee pollen on the internet? 

I'm not taking ownership of that.

If you're a shitty parent and you raised shitty children, they are your problem. Keep them the fuck away from me.

The essence of the Democratic party is the continuous creation of an endless number of useless, mindless, worthless constituents who are too stupid to fend for themselves, too lazy to work a real job and will vote in droves for the slave master who keeps their parasitic lives functioning in perpetuity( aka government).  Free food, free housing, illegal citizenship, affirmative action, government jobs for morons who would be better suited raking up trash on the highway, incompetent union slobs-- basically all the people who drag America into the toilet.




 

[tu_holmes]

Exactly. The Democratic party is starting to resemble communist Soviet Union more and more each day. It was a failed experiment - why try it all over again?

I will admit, there is a lot of socialism in the Democratic party.

The USSR was not true communism so there's no point in talking about it.

[avxo]

Nonsense. A free society means everything should be free for everyone who can't afford to pay. And those who can afford to pay, should pay for themselves and everyone else. Bigger government means more freedom. Don't you understand?

Sorry. I've always had a problem with baloney. And, come to think I it, irrational bullshit.

[24KT]

On a more serious note, it's crazy just how little I understood women (and, more generally, everything) back in my twenties. If only I knew then what I know now...

Hahaha  Now you sound like a woman.

If I knew then, ...what I know now, ...I would have been downright dangerous!
DANGEROUS I TELL YOU