MSNBC Host: Your Kids Belong to the Collective

[avxo]

Hahaha  Now you sound like a woman.

If I knew then, ...what I know now, ...I would have been downright dangerous!
DANGEROUS I TELL YOU 

Dangerous? Hardly. But it's a fact that there's no substitute for experience or youth.

[24KT]

The concept comes from an old African saying... "It take a village to raise a child." and I happen to agree with it.

The children are the future of humankind, and we should take full responsibility to ensure there is a future.

I treat other people's kids as if they were my own... to an extent. No I won't be buying them toys, or paying for their braces, ...but I believe I'm at least obligated to NOT steer them in a direction that could be hazardous.  I can tell you it's rather annoying everytime I approach an intersection with a red light, ...there's no oncoming traffic, and I'm in a rush. Normally I will cross against the red, ...but if there are children present, ...I wait until the green comes on. It's so f-ing annoying to wait, ...but it kills me inside everytime I walk across, ...and see the kids following my example. I see nothing wrong with taking pro-active affirmative actions in favour of setting good examples or nurturing a positive environment for kids to grow up in... without infringing upon the rights of adults.

[24KT]

Dangerous? Hardly. But it's a fact that there's no substitute for experience or youth.

Trust me, ...I would have been downright dangerous! 

[doison]

The concept comes from an old African saying... "It take a village to raise a child." and I happen to agree with it.

The children are the future of humankind, and we should take full responsibility to ensure there is a future.

I treat other people's kids as if they were my own... to an extent. No I won't be buying them toys, or paying for their braces, ...but I believe I'm at least obligated to NOT steer them in a direction that could be hazardous.  I can tell you it's rather annoying everytime I approach an intersection with a red light, ...there's no oncoming traffic, and I'm in a rush. Normally I will cross against the red, ...but if there are children present, ...I wait until the green comes on. It's so f-ing annoying to wait, ...but it kills me inside everytime I walk across, ...and see the kids following my example. I see nothing wrong with taking pro-active affirmative actions in favour of setting good examples or nurturing a positive environment for kids to grow up in... without infringing upon the rights of adults.

It sounds like you treat other people's kids like they were children.  That just means you're not a sociopath.  I don't see your point with this post? 


While we're here; I treat other people's dogs as if they were my own.  I won't buy them treats or take them to the vet...but I don't shoot them in the balls with my .22.  There's NOTHING more annoying than seeing an old lady crossing the street with her puppy when I'm sitting at a stop sign, but I never run my tires over the little mutt's head...I wait until the light is green and I'm legally allowed to cross.  It brings me to tears when I see kids following my "no excessive torturing" example and not throwing rocks at strays or trying to blind neighborhood dogs with their BB-guns...even when a clear shot presents itself. 

I see nothing wrong with setting a good example and being awesome...without infringing upon the rights of the actual owner of the animal

[24KT]

It sounds like you treat other people's kids like they were children.  That just means you're not a sociopath.  I don't see your point with this post? 


While we're here; I treat other people's dogs as if they were my own.  I won't buy them treats or take them to the vet...but I don't shoot them in the balls with my .22.  There's NOTHING more annoying than seeing an old lady crossing the street with her puppy when I'm sitting at a stop sign, but I never run my tires over the little mutt's head...I wait until the light is green and I'm legally allowed to cross.  It brings me to tears when I see kids following my "no excessive torturing" example and not throwing rocks at strays or trying to blind neighborhood dogs with their BB-guns...even when a clear shot presents itself. 

I see nothing wrong with setting a good example and being awesome...without infringing upon the rights of the actual owner of the animal

OK, so I'm not the most articulate tonight. lol. I have a lot on my mind... I'm planning my vacation.

Let me try to say it another way.... I like the fact that the girly magazines are posted way high on the magazine rack behind covers so they cannot be easily displayed to kids. I like the fact that responsible adult wankers <pun intended> who have need of these poor substitutes do not have their rights infringed upon in order to protect the delicate eyes of the kiddies.

[Soul Crusher]

The concept comes from an old African saying... "It take a village to raise a child." and I happen to agree with it.

The children are the future of humankind, and we should take full responsibility to ensure there is a future.

I treat other people's kids as if they were my own... to an extent. No I won't be buying them toys, or paying for their braces, ...but I believe I'm at least obligated to NOT steer them in a direction that could be hazardous.  I can tell you it's rather annoying everytime I approach an intersection with a red light, ...there's no oncoming traffic, and I'm in a rush. Normally I will cross against the red, ...but if there are children present, ...I wait until the green comes on. It's so f-ing annoying to wait, ...but it kills me inside everytime I walk across, ...and see the kids following my example. I see nothing wrong with taking pro-active affirmative actions in favour of setting good examples or nurturing a positive environment for kids to grow up in... without infringing upon the rights of adults.

Yeah a lot of good that attitude is doing them in Africa.      

[24KT]

It's really hard for me to describe the concept I'm talking about, but I have seen it in action in 1995 when visiting my cousin in the states. I was staying with him for a week, ...and he was showing me around the neighbourhood. I had asked him if the neighbourhood was safe, ...and he proceeded to show me around to show me how safe it was... because to quote him directly "You're tripping". Anyway, it was late at night 11:30 ish... and as we walked along, he would say hello to people sitting on their verandas etc., introduce me as his cousin who was staying with him etc., and at one point, we happened upon a 7 yr. old child. My cousin stopped him abruptly in his tracks... called him by name, and started to question him... What are you doing out? Does your mother know where you are? Where are you supposed to be right now? etc., etc.,  That little guy was scared shitless. lol. My cousin ordered him to get his little behind home NOW! The child gulped, and immediately went home, ...my cousin, along with many of the men in the neighbourhood acted like big brothers to many of the little kids there, and they all listened. They all knew who was who, whose kids was whose, and had a role to play in ensuring they weren't up to hooliganism, or just up to no good. I don't know if this was something that was in their community, or whether it was simply because of the high level of respect my cousin had within the community, that he was able to do this, ...but I thought it was a pretty neat thing to see a community taking responsibility for the kids in their community.

Any kid who grew up in Jamaica may know what I'm talking about. In jamaica, kids are terrified of acting up in school, because they know it's going to get back to their parents, ...but before it reaches their parents, it usually goes all throughout the community... and you end up getting crap from about 6 or 7 different people before you finally make it home... provided you make it home with your hide in tact... where your parents are just waiting to give you crap as well. lol.

Not that I agree with the notion that someone else has the right to physically punish your child, ...but I do think there is a place for voicing community standards within a community to bring a child up on the straight and narrow so to speak.

[24KT]

Yeah a lot of good that attitude is doing them in Africa.      

That attitude built the highest and most civilized civilization this planet has ever known.
It wasn't that attitude that fucked Africa, it was the outside interventionism by uncivilized barbarians, and their desire to colonize. A desire that is still evident and acted upon to this day, ...or are you under the impression that the french are in Mali to get rid of AlQ who by the way has been armed to the teeth by your favourite obsession.

[Archer77]

That attitude built the highest and most civilized civilization this planet has ever known.
It wasn't that attitude that fucked Africa, it was the outside interventionism by uncivilized barbarians, and their desire to colonize. A desire that is still evident and acted upon to this day, ...or are you under the impression that the french are in Mali to get rid of AlQ who by the way has been armed to the teeth by your favourite obsession.

What civilization are you referring to?

[George Whorewell]

That attitude built the highest and most civilized civilization this planet has ever known.
It wasn't that attitude that fucked Africa, it was the outside interventionism by uncivilized barbarians, and their desire to colonize. A desire that is still evident and acted upon to this day, ...or are you under the impression that the french are in Mali to get rid of AlQ who by the way has been armed to the teeth by your favourite obsession.

What the fuck are you babbling about?

[George Whorewell]

Sorry. I've always had a problem with baloney. And, come to think I it, irrational bullshit.

That's racism in a nutshell. You're a reactionary extremist who is insensitive toward "historically disadvantaged" groups.

[avxo]

That's racism in a nutshell. You're a reactionary extremist who is insensitive toward "historically disadvantaged" groups.

I'm insensitive all right. Against bullshit and the assholes that squeeze it out.

[AbrahamG]

Not only is every single thing that MHP said true, I'd absolutely love to fuck her hot tongue ringed mouth.

[240 is Back]

I agree it takes a village - BUT the parent is the one who selects who is in that village.


If a teacher sucks, you pull your kid from that class.  If Uncle Fester is a pedo bear, you keep your kid the #%^*#& away from him.  Yes, every child ends up being the average of the FIVE people he/she spends the most time with.  It's going to be teachers and neighbors and friends and clergy or whoever - not just mom and dad.  But mom and dad can and should throw out any negative influences.

[Soul Crusher]

I agree it takes a village - BUT the parent is the one who selects who is in that village.


If a teacher sucks, you pull your kid from that class.  If Uncle Fester is a pedo bear, you keep your kid the #%^*#& away from him.  Yes, every child ends up being the average of the FIVE people he/she spends the most time with.  It's going to be teachers and neighbors and friends and clergy or whoever - not just mom and dad.  But mom and dad can and should throw out any negative influences.

So does it take a village to raise a piece of shit savage too? 

[240 is Back]

So does it take a village to raise a piece of shit savage too? 

YES!  If a parent lets their kid run the neighborhood while he/she gets high and sleeps all day, then YES, the kid will grow up to be a piece of shit, thanks to negative influences.

I guess the 'it takes a village' really means parents alone don't do the job - but parents DO have the ability to limit these negative influences, and choose the RIGHT people to be around your kid.

[syntaxmachine]

That attitude built the highest and most civilized civilization this planet has ever known.

Ruh-roh: I'm afraid you may be engaging in a Rousseauian glorification of natives here when the reality is that if that this civilization were so 'high' in the relevant sense, it wouldn't have succumbed to the predatory activity of European actors quite so easily.

That's presuming you're speaking of one of the African powers of the Medieval or early Modern period, since it's an African attitude you are referring to and because I somehow doubt you are referring to any of the various Arab powers that existed in North Africa.

But I'll let you clarify all this for us.

[avxo]

Ruh-roh: I'm afraid you may be engaging in a Rousseauian glorification of natives here when the reality is that if that this civilization were so 'high' in the relevant sense, it wouldn't have succumbed to the predatory activity of European actors quite so easily.

There's no relevant sense here. I never understood people who casually overlook (or outright dismiss) civilizations that laid the foundation for the future and left us a rich history of mathematics, science, art and philosophy, in favor of paying attention to African tribes that barely subsisted and (maybe) lived in straw huts.

[Dos Equis]

I understand where the woman is coming from, but she overstated her point. I think we do have some obligation to look out for each other and if we see something that is of concern, we should say something. We should try and be mentors and advisors for kids, to the extent they want advice. But the ultimate responsibility for the care and training of kids belongs to the parents, not the community.

[avxo]

I understand where the woman is coming from, but she overstated her point. I think we do have some obligation to look out for each other and if we see something that is of concern, we should say something. We should try and be mentors and advisors for kids, to the extent they want advice. But the ultimate responsibility for the care and training of kids belongs to the parents, not the community.

The contours of my position are about the same, even if we might differ on a detail here or there.

[chadstallion]

since I have to pay school taxes and dont have any any rugrats in school, yeah, I guess they do belong to me...i help support them.

[MCWAY]

since I have to pay school taxes and dont have any any rugrats in school, yeah, I guess they do belong to me...i help support them.

My taxes go to public schools, even though my kids have never attended them (and will never attend them, if I have anything to say about it). Yet, those other kids don't belong to me....and I frankly don't want them. I'm quite content with my own.

[24KT]

I agree it takes a village - BUT the parent is the one who selects who is in that village.


If a teacher sucks, you pull your kid from that class.  If Uncle Fester is a pedo bear, you keep your kid the #%^*#& away from him.  Yes, every child ends up being the average of the FIVE people he/she spends the most time with.  It's going to be teachers and neighbors and friends and clergy or whoever - not just mom and dad.  But mom and dad can and should throw out any negative influences.

If Uncle Fester is a pedo bear, you keep Uncle Fester the #%^*#& away from your kid, ...and everybody else's.

[24KT]

Ruh-roh: I'm afraid you may be engaging in a Rousseauian glorification of natives here when the reality is that if that this civilization were so 'high' in the relevant sense, it wouldn't have succumbed to the predatory activity of European actors quite so easily.

That's presuming you're speaking of one of the African powers of the Medieval or early Modern period, since it's an African attitude you are referring to and because I somehow doubt you are referring to any of the various Arab powers that existed in North Africa.

But I'll let you clarify all this for us.

Don't presume a thing.

[24KT]

I understand where the woman is coming from, but she overstated her point. I think we do have some obligation to look out for each other and if we see something that is of concern, we should say something. We should try and be mentors and advisors for kids, to the extent they want advice. But the ultimate responsibility for the care and training of kids belongs to the parents, not the community.

The woman? lol    ok...

I agree... the ultimate responsibility for the care and training of kids belongs rests with the parents,
...however the ultimate responsibility for the building & development of a sound community, rests with the community.