DEA arrests steroid manufacturers and dealers

[billycarp]

I cannot verify if QV, or any of the other current labs, are under dosing today....I can tell you

that in the 1980's that was the rule-not the exception. It also applied to the Vet labs too.

What about the DDR stuff?

[DIVISION]

What about the DDR stuff?

William, don't start a war.   




DIV

[billycarp]

William, don't start a war.   

DIV

No war I was really curious.  I have always heard that Bolasterone was one of the best -- and I was curious as to 619's opinion.

[619Rules]

No war I was really curious.  I have always heard that Bolasterone was one of the best -- and I was curious as to 619's opinion.

I remember Blasterone....... from the early/mid 80's...that stuff has not been around for a long time though.......

That was the real deal though-that was before the Mexican labs started counterfeiting...althoug h the may have counterfeited that one after 86 I remember mainly the basic drugs like deca, dbol and anavar......

[DIVISION]

I remember Blasterone....... from the early/mid 80's...that stuff has not been around for a long time though.......

That was the real deal though-that was before the Mexican labs started counterfeiting...althoug h the may have counterfeited that one after 86 I remember mainly the basic drugs like deca, dbol and anavar......

I wish Duchaine was still alive to see the industry now.  I'm sure he'd have alot to say about the current state of AAS, and the underground labs as well.




DIV

[billycarp]

I wish Duchaine was still alive to see the industry now.  I'm sure he'd have alot to say about the current state of AAS, and the underground labs as well.

DIV

Yeah, as long as someone else said it first.

[bic_staedtler]

Arnold S has very little credibilty, although I'd say he has 'balls'.

Watch how he defends the steroid testing criteria in the IFBB during the special section on the Pumping Iron DVD...he says they get tested frequently with a straight face.  That was sad, but hey....he's rich, he's Arnold, he isn't above lying.

For the love of God he's a politician!...but he's still Ahnold to me!

[DIVISION]

Yeah, as long as someone else said it first.

William.........don't diss the Duchaine!   




DIV

[billycarp]

William.........don't diss the Duchaine!   

DIV

Umm, OK.

[619Rules]

William.........don't diss the Duchaine!   
DIV

Dan D. got himself in a lot of trouble.....in a lot of different ways...........the funny thing is when him and his group were busted in 87 Dan (and everyone else) was able to stay out of jail-not a single person went to jail and they were THEE steroid suppliers to the US back then....it was later after he kept dealing riods that he went to the big house......

[DIVISION]

Umm, OK.

 

Dan D. got himself in a lot of trouble.....in a lot of different ways...........the funny thing is when him and his group were busted in 87 Dan (and everyone else) was able to stay out of jail-not a single person went to jail and they were THEE steroid suppliers to the US back then....it was later after he kept dealing riods that he went to the big house......

He seemed too smart to get caught up in the dirt.

Was it just that the temptation was too much not to stick his hand in the cookie jar?

Was it just a case of his greed overcoming his intellect?

Speak on this.




DIV

[aikido2917]

f**k, f**k, f**k, not QV!!!!!!!!! I guess this is why my boy has came up missing and his phones are shut off and his roommate said he disappered... he could be in jail or hiding... hey I guess everyone just lay low til this blows over. >:

[billycarp]

He seemed too smart to get caught up in the dirt.

Was it just that the temptation was too much not to stick his hand in the cookie jar?

Was it just a case of his greed overcoming his intellect?

Speak on this.

DIV

Didn't Dan go to the clink for misbranding drugs -- GHB and maybe clen too?  I thought it was something like that.

[619Rules]

He seemed too smart to get caught up in the dirt.
DIV

Dan Duchaine was smart in some ways and not so smart in other ways-but it all related to dealing roids....... he was dealing and sooner or later you will get caught...

When he was busted in 87 it was from 3 different angles-so anyway you cut it he was going to be busted.....

1- The Mexico operation was being monitored and that was the big one.....b/c that was a HUGE operation.......

2- Dan also had people sending in drugs from Europe (hey-we have heard this one before on here!), and his supply was intercepted at customs and he was being watched b/c of that.......

3- Last but not least, a guy (in Texas I think it was-maybe AZ) tried to rip off a former Mr USA winner for 30K in roids (fronted drugs), Mr USA had received the roids from Dan(fronted to Mr USA)....Mr USA went down to Texas with buddies and beat the shit out of the guy that tried to rip him off .... said if he didn't get his $$ he was going to kill him (drug deals-you just can't win ), ripoff man gets scared shitless and runs to the cops.....so this state investigation also ended up at Dan's doorstep....

Anyway you slice it-Dan was busted...........but like I said-he did not go to jail on these charges-it was after this when he kept dealing (big mistake) that he went to the big house......

That is the Dan D story-short version............

[DIVISION]

My buddies never trusted Mexican steroids anyway, so it doesnt effect anyone I know. All the stuff they get comes from over seas legit pharmacies/manufacturers  and when comparred to QV, they worked way way better. No counterfiets, no dirty labs, no underdosing. Its nice getting a package that is so blantly from a legit source, that going back to questionable Mexi steroids never enters their mind again.

It's all personal preference and what has worked for you.  Everyone has their own prejudices when it comes to brands, but it all comes down to what you like.

Dan Duchaine was smart in some ways and not so smart in other ways-but it all related to dealing roids....... he was dealing and sooner or later you will get caught...

When he was busted in 87 it was from 3 different angles-so anyway you cut it he was going to be busted.....

1- The Mexico operation was being monitored and that was the big one.....b/c that was a HUGE operation.......

2- Dan also had people sending in drugs from Europe (hey-we have heard this one before on here!), and his supply was intercepted at customs and he was being watched b/c of that.......

3- Last but not least, a guy (in Texas I think it was-maybe AZ) tried to rip off a former Mr USA winner for 30K in roids (fronted drugs), Mr USA had received the roids from Dan(fronted to Mr USA)....Mr USA went down to Texas with buddies and beat the shit out of the guy that tried to rip him off .... said if he didn't get his $$ he was going to kill him (drug deals-you just can't win ), ripoff man gets scared shitless and runs to the cops.....so this state investigation also ended up at Dan's doorstep....

Anyway you slice it-Dan was busted...........but like I said-he did not go to jail on these charges-it was after this when he kept dealing (big mistake) that he went to the big house......

That is the Dan D story-short version............

It appears Dan was dipping his dick in several whores at the same time.......

Sounds like he got greedy, which is usually the case when these things go down.

I thought Duchaine was smarter than that.......




DIV

[billycarp]

Dan Duchaine was smart in some ways and not so smart in other ways-but it all related to dealing roids....... he was dealing and sooner or later you will get caught...

When he was busted in 87 it was from 3 different angles-so anyway you cut it he was going to be busted.....

1- The Mexico operation was being monitored and that was the big one.....b/c that was a HUGE operation.......

2- Dan also had people sending in drugs from Europe (hey-we have heard this one before on here!), and his supply was intercepted at customs and he was being watched b/c of that.......

3- Last but not least, a guy (in Texas I think it was-maybe AZ) tried to rip off a former Mr USA winner for 30K in roids (fronted drugs), Mr USA had received the roids from Dan(fronted to Mr USA)....Mr USA went down to Texas with buddies and beat the shit out of the guy that tried to rip him off .... said if he didn't get his $$ he was going to kill him (drug deals-you just can't win ), ripoff man gets scared shitless and runs to the cops.....so this state investigation also ended up at Dan's doorstep....

Anyway you slice it-Dan was busted...........but like I said-he did not go to jail on these charges-it was after this when he kept dealing (big mistake) that he went to the big house......

That is the Dan D story-short version............

From an interview:

DD [laughs]: Which time, Scott? [Laughs again.] I went to prison twice. I went to prison in 1987. There was a very odd time in my life, where I started doing a small retail steroid operation. I had a price list going out in the mail, and it grew out of having friends who were steroid dealers. They wanted to get mail-order customers. They mailed out their price list to people who had bought my Underground Steroid Handbook. For the longest time I said, "I'm not going to sell steroids because I don't know where to get them." Then there was a point in my life where I left my first wife. I left with nothing, because she took everything. I was a little low on cash, and had an acquaintance who had the ability to get anabolic steroids. So I said I'd throw my price list in with the others. I actually probably undercut the others, so my list was much more attractive. Mostly the customers were people who would buy $100 to $200 at a time. A couple things happened. I started getting a lot of things from a steroid dealer in Europe who wanted to move product through America. He extended me some credit, and I couldn't do all the selling myself so I started wholesaling things out to other dealers. And Dianabol, the most popular oral steroid withdrawn from the market, both the generic and the trade name...I was looking around for a replacement. All of the replacements were very poorly done. You could pick up a tablet and write your name on a chalkboard. It was that bad. There were some tablets out of England and India that were very nice. Guys would show up at the L.A. airport and I'd get a few hundred bottles, but I'd never know when they'd come back.

 

Then I had the opportunity to work with someone I'd never met before. He was working with a small drug company in Tijuana that was making generic drugs for the Mexican market. They specialized in antibiotics like Tetracycline. We had a meeting one day and he said, "Could you use some Dianabol?" I said, "Damn right I can, but I'm not a drug smuggler." He said, "We can get it over the border for you." I told him that I was mostly a retail guy and asked him how much I'd have to buy. He said 5,000 bottles. I said, "I don't know. That would last me a year." Then I talked to a friend of mine, and we agreed that we could move it out of Mexico, so that's how we started with this manufacturing company, Laboratories Milano. For a short time, my job was to dream up the kind of steroids they'd make. I'd find an example on the market and maybe change the packaging and labels. After a half a year, I noticed the U.S. Federal Government was starting to follow me around. And I thought, "This is not a hobby anymore." So I left that whole conspiracy and left the steroid business and moved to San Francisco. I started working with Champion Nutrition. About the middle of 1987, the government swept up everyone who was ever involved with that conspiracy and I happened to be at the beginning of it. I did 10 months in prison that time.

 

After I was released on probation, I stupidly in about 1991 met up with a friend who had a longevity club selling GHB. The GHB supplement used to be available in health-food stores until the FDA realized it was really a sleep aid. It could knock you out in 20 minutes. Even though they can't really ban a drug-only Congress and the DEA can do that-they can enact these weird Catch-22 labeling laws. So as long as you're selling GHB in your state, they can't touch you, but if you ship a bottle of a substance they don't really like across state lines, there is no possible way to fulfill the labeling requirements. So we just didn't put labels on the GHB bottles, with no claims whatsoever. We just called them research chemicals. The government kind of got pissed about that. Unfortunately it was supposed to be a finite thing. We had very little GHB left. We had a little Clenbuterol at the same time. It was an already established longevity buyer's club. Unfortunately for us, one of the customers was an undercover FDA agent so I got my tit caught in the wringer. It was a stupid thing for me to do. Even though I can argue that it wasn't worth 36 months because it wasn't really an illegal drug, hey-I take the responsibility. I did my time. I learned a lot in prison about how to make money in legitimate avenues. I probably made more money in prison than the prison officials!

[619Rules]

Cool interview-where is that posted at? I wouls like ot read the whole thing....


That is some of the story-but that is not the whole story......Dan was selling on a retail basis-he had numerous PO Boxes all over LA and even Las Vegas.

Dan was advertising in muscle mags and he was filling maybe 100 "small" orders a weekpersonal use--mailing out numerous packages all over the US-the other guy in this outfit was selling the same amount of roids-but in 10 to 20 shipments/packages-wholesale if you will.........one of these guys buying wholesale was a well known powerlifter that was informing-setting everyone up...............which was too bad.

That shit turned into a huge mess for all sorts of people....not just the trhee main guys-therewere numerous smaller little guys involved in this mess.....

I did not remember Dan going to jail though.......the other guys didn't-including the Dan's counter part selling wholesale.....

[Bindare_Dundat]

Cool interview-where is that posted at? I wouls like ot read the whole thing....


That is some of the story-but that is not the whole story......Dan was selling on a retail basis-he had numerous PO Boxes all over LA and even Las Vegas.

Dan was advertising in muscle mags and he was filling maybe 100 "small" orders a weekpersonal use--mailing out numerous packages all over the US-the other guy in this outfit was selling the same amount of roids-but in 10 to 20 shipments/packages-wholesale if you will.........one of these guys buying wholesale was a well known powerlifter that was informing-setting everyone up...............which was too bad.

That shit turned into a huge mess for all sorts of people....not just the trhee main guys-therewere numerous smaller little guys involved in this mess.....

I did not remember Dan going to jail though.......the other guys didn't-including the Dan's counter part selling wholesale.....

All it takes is one set of loose lips.

[Mobil]

i say... give it time.. we will find out about the true facts about this case.... the DEA is trying to make a statement to the public right now, but when the facts come out what actually happen to these people... we will see.

[Mobil]

ill also add... if u think any professional sport in america is juice free??? just look how these local cops bust NFL  football players with drugs(coke) yet the NFL cant?? lol!! ie:Minnesota Vikings.. the nfl cant catch them yet local police can?? lol!

[Lee_a_priest]

Good analogy . . . comparing the sale of footballs, baseball bats and running shoes to the hawking of dubious sports supplements by using photos of extremely jacked bodybuilders in contest shape.    Meltdowns occur when the truth touches a nerve. 

No nerve touched here not even close.
So when Barry bond stand there holding a bat kids dont want to be like that?and have thier parents go buy them a bat, same for all sport you fucking moron.

Oh but its all just drugs i forgot that is your looser excuse to wh yyou can and never will be anything.
But hey its your pathetic life so enjoy and hope it ends soon.I mean that in a nice way

[billycarp]

Cool interview-where is that posted at? I wouls like ot read the whole thing....


That is some of the story-but that is not the whole story......Dan was selling on a retail basis-he had numerous PO Boxes all over LA and even Las Vegas.

Dan was advertising in muscle mags and he was filling maybe 100 "small" orders a weekpersonal use--mailing out numerous packages all over the US-the other guy in this outfit was selling the same amount of roids-but in 10 to 20 shipments/packages-wholesale if you will.........one of these guys buying wholesale was a well known powerlifter that was informing-setting everyone up...............which was too bad.

That shit turned into a huge mess for all sorts of people....not just the trhee main guys-therewere numerous smaller little guys involved in this mess.....

I did not remember Dan going to jail though.......the other guys didn't-including the Dan's counter part selling wholesale.....

Here you go:

http://www.musclenet.com/danduchaine.htm

[FallShineWebDesign]

I'm starting to become quite a fan of this Dan Duchaine.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=46720.msg762033#msg762033

[Richard2004]

Of course, legalized nicotine and alcohol use has caused more misery, illness, and death than all the illegal drugs, including steroids, combined.

But two wrongs don’t make a right, do they?!!  Arguably, if one took BB drugs under strict medical monitoring/supervision, then their long-term bodily harm would be minimized.  But they rarely, if ever, are!

In the chemical-monster/freak-shows that are called pro. bodybuilding contests, we only have to go to the URL…

http://www.trulyhuge.com/pro_bodybuilding.htm

to get a REAL look at the sordid, dangerous, drug-ridden, world/lifestyle of pro. bodybuilding…and that was eight long, long, years ago!  Or, we only have to look at the published lists of former pro. BBers, who either suffer from a myriad of serious health problems, or have simply fallen over dead in their 30’s and 40’s.

But, pro. BB is so deeply ensconced with layer-upon-layer of deliberate lies and deceit, that it is very difficult to find-out-for/provide-to the general public the TRUTH regarding the monstrous, dangerous, deadly, BB drug cycles that these chemical monsters actually take!  In addition, accurate information on the actual health problems that these chemical monsters experience is practically unavailable, except for brief glimpses of the carefully hidden truth, as described in  the above URL/Iron-Man-mag.-interview!   

But hey, maybe more of these pro, BB freaks will suddenly fall-over dead at an early age, or their serious, unusual, health problems will be publicly exposed, or more will get arrested for illegal drug-dealing, and the very difficult efforts at discovering the real truth in this sordid, evil, “lifestyle” will eventually be made more available/public! 

And then, we have the legions of NON-competing “recreational” bodybuilders who take similar bodybuilding drugs, without any medical supervision, because their dim-witted, fragile, egos can’t be satisfied with a slightly smaller, non-drug-bloated, muscular physique.  Talk about not playing with a full-deck!!

This lifestyle of illegal BB drug-use and abuse is a classic example of taking self-denial, and deceit, to ridiculous and dangerous extremes!!

The good news is that finally a real concerted effort is being made to discover the TRUTH behind illegal drug use, and drug dealing, as it relates to the closet cult of pro. BB!.

So sadly, those of us who train naturally have been forever stereotyped, and stigmatized, in the eyes of the general public, and have been lumped together with the illegal drug-using/drug-dealing, deceitful, self-denying, coven of BB DRUGGIES!!!

[Disgusted]

Steroids kill.