everybody has to admit the old venice beach crew Arnold,Franco,waller,robby, zane all trained way harder then todays pros and back then they had steroids that were great quality but they just had the basics. There were very seldom if anybody who had access to HGH or all these other new peptides that are around. They also did not know how to use insulin back then. I am sure some did use insulin but not like todays pros and even if they did use some insulin back then without HGH you do not get that synergistic effect. It would help you recover a bit but without both HGH and slin you wont get that crazy synergistic effect. Yes the steroids were better and easier to get but just the basics. most all of them just used the old school Test/deca/dbol cycle. Some guys did not even use anchileries. So I don't think it is fair to compare a pro from the 70's to todays pros or even pros from the early 90's. according to Dorian not alot of bodybuilders were using HGH till the early 90's.