As a natural bodybuilder I find it impossible to judge my own progress against others b/c i'm not sure who is actually natural or not. I have nothing against hormone users at all, I just want to gauge how i am doing. Does anyone have an idea of what a lifetime natural person can attain in bodybuilding, (Height, weight, bodyfat %)
Just find those on anabolics, crush their gains, then know you're that much better.
If gains were just relevant to you, nobody would be on a cycle. It's about one upping the other guy, regardless of what many juicers will tell you. If they could have stood out on their own, they would have.
Of course, there are acceptions like Coleman, etc...but 90% of juicers do it because they can't, not because they can and want to reach "the next level".
Put on 40lbs of mainly muscle with no drugs. Do that, and you're well ahead of the curve of gym goers. That's from your very beginning in training though, not after years of training.