What is attainable naturally

[#1GymRat]

how much muscle u can put on no drugs?

[BB]

Go to www.musclememory.com , and look at the contest winners from the mid 40's and earlier. Those are the only physiques you can be sure are pre drug era. They are the pinnacle of non- drugged physical development. Methyltestosterone was freely available in the late 40's - http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=fiYDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA258&dq=methyltestosterone&hl=en&sa=X&ei=vymeT4unFKfI0QWAj6GHDw&ved=0CDcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=methyltestosterone&f=false . So that is the start of the drug era.

[axestream]

As a natural bodybuilder I find it impossible to judge my own progress against others b/c i'm not sure who is actually natural or not. I have nothing against hormone users at all, I just want to gauge how i am doing. Does anyone have an idea of what a lifetime natural person can attain in bodybuilding, (Height, weight, bodyfat %)

Why do you want to compare yourself to someone else anyway? Your progress has nothing to do with them. All that matters is that you set out goals and achieve them.

[The True Adonis]

Just worry about yourself first and foremost.   There are many impressive (at least I think so) credible lifetime naturals out there despite what others may tell you. 

[BikiniSlut]

BOOM!!!That's attainable natural. 

[Croatch]

As a natural bodybuilder I find it impossible to judge my own progress against others b/c i'm not sure who is actually natural or not. I have nothing against hormone users at all, I just want to gauge how i am doing. Does anyone have an idea of what a lifetime natural person can attain in bodybuilding, (Height, weight, bodyfat %)

Just find those on anabolics, crush their gains, then know you're that much better.
If gains were just relevant to you, nobody would be on a cycle. It's about one upping the other guy, regardless of what many juicers will tell you. If they could have stood out on their own, they would have.
Of course, there are acceptions like Coleman, etc...but 90% of juicers do it because they can't, not because they can and want to reach "the next level".
Put on 40lbs of mainly muscle with no drugs.  Do that, and you're well ahead of the curve of gym goers.  That's from your very beginning in training though, not after years of training.

[mr.turbo]

missed you crotch

[Croatch]

missed you crotch

I've been slacking in the gym and diet, so I have no place talking shot these days...hahah

[Schmoff]

BOOM!!!That's attainable natural. 

is that you?

[chaos]

BOOM!!!That's attainable natural. 

Do I see sideboob

[mr.turbo]

I've been slacking in the gym and diet, so I have no place talking shot these days...hahah

good to have to you back to wrecking shit just like the good ole days

[che]

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[BikiniSlut]

Do I see sideboob

No. I barely have any boob as it is.

[BikiniSlut]

is that you?

That me bicep matey!

Bikinislut bicep pic whoring today.

[Childish///AMG]

That made me "Chuckle"

[The True Adonis]

BOOM!!!That's attainable natural.  

Good Progress so far.  Careful on the deadlifts (I think that is what you are doing with that dumbbell) though.

[Maddy]

bow wow

[Coach is Back!]

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[Coach is Back!]

Just find those on anabolics, crush their gains, then know you're that much better.
If gains were just relevant to you, nobody would be on a cycle. It's about one upping the other guy, regardless of what many juicers will tell you. If they could have stood out on their own, they would have.
Of course, there are acceptions like Coleman, etc...but 90% of juicers do it because they can't, not because they can and want to reach "the next level".
Put on 40lbs of mainly muscle with no drugs.  Do that, and you're well ahead of the curve of gym goers.  That's from your very beginning in training though, not after years of training.

 

You're as natural as I am croach. You've been on this Bullshit for as long as I can remember.