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« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2013, 08:52:57 PM »

just never get sick ,then this is a non issue Grin




Easier to say when you are a young person. When I was in my twenties and thirties I never gave a second thought to medical insurance. At 69 it gains new importance.

Oh wait, don't you live in a socialist country where medical insurance is a non-issue?
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« Reply #26 on: September 24, 2013, 09:58:13 PM »


That's one point of view.  Keep in mind that actuaries are responsible for analyzing how long people will live, given their age and health.  The Affordable Healthcare Act is going to put a bunch of them out of work.  Consider their motives for this "projection".

Here's another point of view:

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/03/27/1779961/dishonest-attack-obamacare/
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« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2013, 10:21:08 PM »

That's one point of view.  Keep in mind that actuaries are responsible for analyzing how long people will live, given their age and health.  The Affordable Healthcare Act is going to put a bunch of them out of work.  Consider their motives for this "projection".

Here's another point of view:

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/03/27/1779961/dishonest-attack-obamacare/

Anything from "Think progress" or anything with a Soros stamp on it should be deemed exempt.
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« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2013, 10:44:11 PM »

The CBO projects that premiums will go down.

Bill Clinton remarks on the ACA (Obamacare) using facts provided by the Congressional Budget Office.


<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gmH2Y88f6M" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gmH2Y88f6M</a>
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« Reply #29 on: September 24, 2013, 10:48:38 PM »

The CBO projects that premiums will go down.

Bill Clinton remarks on the ACA (Obamacare) using facts provided by the Congressional Budget Office.


<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gmH2Y88f6M" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gmH2Y88f6M</a>

Hahahaha, its already set. The increases begin in 2014. Seriously, hammer, when has this clown ever told the truth? lmao
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« Reply #30 on: September 24, 2013, 10:54:08 PM »

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« Reply #31 on: September 24, 2013, 11:00:13 PM »

Bump what?.hahahahaha
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« Reply #32 on: September 24, 2013, 11:00:29 PM »

My healthcare insurance is a Medicare Advantage Enhanced Plus plan with Regence. Currently my premiums are about $250 a month. Broken down, about $100 is for Medicare and about $150 is for the enhanced coverage. Each year my out of pocket expenses go up. Last year for my wife and me they were over $8,000.

One can only hope that the runaway charges for medical care will be rained in with the Affordable healthcare act. Something needs to change. Folks with no medical coverage end up being a drain on those of us who pay for protection from out of site medical expenses.

You know your incomes, so just calculate how many percent of your income goes to paying those bills. From the income of 50 000 per year that 8000 is 16% added to your taxes. You pay already a lot, so in reality you would pay less with obamacare. 
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« Reply #33 on: September 25, 2013, 02:42:27 AM »

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« Reply #34 on: September 25, 2013, 03:22:46 AM »

The NY Times is a liberal Obama loving rag. They are the best paper in the world and they tell every one that at every opportunity. Obama's budget to "educate" the public on Obama care is over 600 million. Soon the first 20 or so searches on Obama care will be positive propaganda singing it's praises. The truth is being spun for the fools who voted him in. Can wait to see the commercials on tv that money will buy.

Insurance companies are already getting out of certain areas like Aetna did in NY. Business of close to 50 won't expand. Many businesses are making full time employees part time employees. People in lower pay ranges are going to get a huge tax break to buy their insurances in the health exchanges. This is from a government that wants to raise the debt ceiling, print more money without backing and who wants to make ends meet with borrowing money from foreign governments like China.

This thread has to be put out by Benny under a different name.
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« Reply #35 on: September 25, 2013, 06:38:46 AM »

We're a liberal state ran by morons. I would expect nothing less.

Absolutely. And a barometer for what the rest of the US is headed for.  My brother bailed on CA a few yrs ago.
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« Reply #36 on: September 25, 2013, 10:09:53 AM »

http://washingtonexaminer.com/white-house-report-tennesee-men-face-290-women-197-obamacare-hike/article/2536363
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« Reply #37 on: September 25, 2013, 10:52:25 AM »

We dont give a damn. If you got to go to the hospital they will try to save you insurance or no insurance it's a rip off.

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« Reply #38 on: September 25, 2013, 10:54:39 AM »



NEW YORK TIMES--

Individuals buying health insurance on their own will see their premiums tumble next year in New York State as changes under the federal health care law take effect, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo announced on Wednesday. State insurance regulators say they have approved rates for 2014 that are at least 50 percent lower on average than those currently available in New York. Beginning in October, individuals in New York City who now pay $1,000 a month or more for coverage will be able to shop for health insurance for as little as $308 monthly. With federal subsidies, the cost will be even lower.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/17/health/health-plan-cost-for-new-yorkers-set-to-fall-50.html?_r=0

NYT reporters must be doing their own math these days.
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« Reply #39 on: September 25, 2013, 11:10:09 AM »

I am a registered Libertarian in AZ. I detest gov. Intervention into health care. It is going to fuck up 90% of my fellow citizens costs and coverage. Obama lied to us and the truth is starting to surface. The average family of 4 is going to pay $10K more each year. If only they could get their vote back.HOWEVEVER I said "average". My family is two people. I am on Medicare. My wife is stuck in a Rolls Royce Blue Cross plan of $1100 per mo. She has preexisting conditions and will not rewrite her into cheaper plan. We are on a fixed income. On Oct. 1st. We will sign up for van Obamacare platinum plan accepting preexisting conditions at a 50% savings. $6,000 a year savings. We are in the 10% will benefit. Good luck to the rest of you.

U are a "registered" Libertarian yet u are on Medicare? That's kind of hypocritical. Why not live what u preach and forego government medical insurance. All doctors and hospitals take cash. Is Social Security part of your "fixed income"? Fixed income of course being a classic big government term of art. Nothing is stopping u from getting more income.

You're probably a retired public school teacher or other public service worker on a pension.

Some libertarian.
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« Reply #40 on: September 25, 2013, 11:21:18 AM »

I live in Washington, and I can guaran-fucking-tee you that my premiums are going nowhere but up. My mother, who works for the school district, is seeing her premiums skyrocket for coverage that is being throttled back. Pretty horrible.

anecdotal stories are the best evidence.
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« Reply #41 on: September 25, 2013, 11:23:27 AM »

anecdotal stories are the best evidence.

Exactly.

Not to mention that school district employees typically get the best of government benefits.
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« Reply #42 on: September 25, 2013, 11:25:59 AM »

ayn rand.

some libertarian



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« Reply #43 on: September 25, 2013, 11:26:17 AM »

Some of you voted for this asshole. Thanks. Lol
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« Reply #44 on: September 25, 2013, 11:54:07 AM »

I'm not sure why people always worry about catastrophic insurance, etc.  If you have a bill of 500k, just don't pay...real simple.
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« Reply #45 on: September 25, 2013, 12:08:56 PM »

I'm not sure why people always worry about catastrophic insurance, etc.  If you have a bill of 500k, just don't pay...real simple.

Sure, let someone else cover your medical expenses. This is how it has been for some time and look how well it's worked out.
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« Reply #46 on: September 25, 2013, 12:23:52 PM »



NEW YORK TIMES--

Individuals buying health insurance on their own will see their premiums tumble next year in New York State as changes under the federal health care law take effect, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo announced on Wednesday. State insurance regulators say they have approved rates for 2014 that are at least 50 percent lower on average than those currently available in New York. Beginning in October, individuals in New York City who now pay $1,000 a month or more for coverage will be able to shop for health insurance for as little as $308 monthly. With federal subsidies, the cost will be even lower.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/17/health/health-plan-cost-for-new-yorkers-set-to-fall-50.html?_r=0

According to an article in the Oregonian today, Regence Blue Cross Blue Shield just sent out letters to their under-insured customers (folks who only buy catastrophic coverage) to notify them of increased premiums and coverage. The change/increase in coverage is required to meet the requirements of the affordable health care act. These folks will end up with better medical coverage, but they will also have to pay for it.
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« Reply #47 on: September 25, 2013, 12:25:33 PM »

Its raising because Obamacare eliminates Pre-Existing conditions so the companies have to make up for the loss of profit from denying care to suffering humans.

Sick Industry that needs to be done away with.  We need true Universal Healthcare like the rest of the civilized world. 
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« Reply #48 on: September 25, 2013, 12:28:57 PM »

If you don't have health insurance, then you are taxed more?
If this is the case, are you covered for any hospital visits?

If you do not sign up for the Obamacare Exchange/Marketplace, you will find a new penalty on page 2 of your 2013 Form 1040, (which you will be paying on 4/15/2015).

The penalty is NOT insurance.

At least, this is what I understand at this point.
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« Reply #49 on: September 25, 2013, 12:30:07 PM »

Its raising because Obamacare eliminates Pre-Existing conditions so the companies have to make up for the loss of profit from denying care to suffering humans.

Sick Industry that needs to be done away with.  We need true Universal Healthcare like the rest of the civilized world. 

Would rather have seen a 1 yr limit on anyone who wants to buy health insurance can (excluding newborn children) with pre-existing conditions being considered.  After that , they should be on their own.  Now we will still see turds only buy coverage when they become ill.  Kinda like buying fire insurance on a house after it catches fire.   

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