test p vs test e question for those who did them both

[ESFitness]

this is the kind of reply i was looking for,thanks.

im not asking to be educated, this is just out of interest what others experience.
real, individual experience, not some one size fits all bs like tske nolvadex

thanks this was interesting
thanks , but how would your severly bloted fatso self see any difference?

i'm far from a bloated fatso... very far.

[no one]

no exactly common form of test. but ive heard its got no pip compared to prop. my prop was painless though oddly enough

i used to get a shit ton of it back in the day. unfortunately back in the day is life 15 years ago and i cant remember what it was like to run. i know i kept buying it so it had to be good

[deceiver]

Add me to low test high anaboloic (or just low test for maintenance) team. I look like shit on high test, my facial features go to hell and look like a fat girl on high test. So much for the "masculine" look on test, lol.

[Big Chiro Flex]

Regarding the DHT derivatives: I've read some articles recently that stated that the pathway with DHT sides is not so straight forward as we would think. In other words, the theory that DHT drugs would result in DHT sides like hairless/prostate issues may not necessarily be true.

For example test has to convert to either ARomatase and/or DHT, and it's not a DHT derivative...it's TEST.

What do you gentlemen think? My conclusion from the articles is that I was buying into a lot of bro-science regarding DHT scares.

[ESFitness]

Regarding the DHT derivatives: I've read some articles recently that stated that the pathway with DHT sides is not so straight forward as we would think. In other words, the theory that DHT drugs would result in DHT sides like hairless/prostate issues may not necessarily be true.

For example test has to convert to either ARomatase and/or DHT, and it's not a DHT derivative...it's TEST.

What do you gentlemen think? My conclusion from the articles is that I was buying into a lot of bro-science regarding DHT scares.

well, finastride/dutasteride won't prevent dht sides with dht derived AAS (drol, masteron, win, proviron, primo, halo, ect...).

As far as dht derived drugs producing more dht-related side effects? I don't believe they do. I believe it's from testosterone. But they again, what's a dht related side effect? hair loss, body hair growth? prostate enlargement? what else? I lost more hair on my hairline during the time I was on hrt doses (5years) than I have running alllll the other shit. never had an prostate issues during a checkup, never had symptoms. 

[Big Chiro Flex]

well, finastride/dutasteride won't prevent dht sides with dht derived AAS (drol, masteron, win, proviron, primo, halo, ect...).

As far as dht derived drugs producing more dht-related side effects? I don't believe they do. I believe it's from testosterone. But they again, what's a dht related side effect? hair loss, body hair growth? prostate enlargement? what else? I lost more hair on my hairline during the time I was on hrt doses (5years) than I have running alllll the other shit. never had an prostate issues during a checkup, never had symptoms. 

I agree here bro.

Also to add to the list of supposed DHT "sides" is increased libido I believe. I know guys who take too much saw palmetto get  suppressed libidos.

[Rajkapoor]

useless to train without injecting 50mg prop few houre before the workout.way waist money on creepy pre workout drinks.

[Z Father]

I agree here bro.

Also to add to the list of supposed DHT "sides" is increased libido I believe. I know guys who take too much saw palmetto get  suppressed libidos.

they must have small penises....did you check ?

[Big Chiro Flex]

they must have small penises....did you check ?

??

[arce1988]

500mg of Sus 250 every week

not one thing else ped wise   no clen, no eca, t-3, no nothing, zero

chicken breasts and fiji water

I have also attained this on just Enan at 500mg per week

[whitewidow]

so.
for those who actually lift and who are lean enough to see changes on their bodys.

have you done all factors same in diet, dosage, but the only difference beeing the ester of the test and what was the difference, esp as far water retention is concerned.

please no theory talk on this, i know the theory and what ppl claim out there(or rather, repeat what they heard somewhere).
i know its claimed test is test and the free test talk and how estrogen conversion rates and therefore water retetntion should be less or more on different compounds.

only direct, straight up experiences, no links no copy pasta ala tbombs or esfitness

and hell no if someone took test e or cyp for bulk protocol and then eats half calories on diet and test p, that hardly counts.

p vs e on bulk and-or prop vs e on diet

sometimes science is one thing,reality another.

so lets see, fatsos and ppl who dont lift please shut up and read and learn,or alternatively go look at pics from men in thong oiled up

I prefer Test prop hands down. I am not patient and Test E seems to take alot longer to peak on at least in my case. I find Test prop gives me a tad more strength as well. I also really like Test suspension even though it is painfull the aquavirons I used to get where great! I cannot get them anymore so I don't use Test suspension anymore. I am not a patient guy and I find the faster acting esters really do work faster and batter for me. Dure they are a tad more painfull and you have to do more weekly injections but ig you can find a good brand of prop I would go with Test prop over Test E or in some cases use them both.

[Mawse]

Prop = smaller Ed injects = less aromatization than larger, less frequent injects

At 100-200 test a week I've never noticed a difference as I inject my cyp Ed

[james87]

No different really. Maybe testp a bit more acne. Get gyno, bit of bloat from both but just take anti-e and its fine. I dont even bother with testp anymore, only enanthate regardless if I am trying to add or lose. One thing I have noticed is that the side effects (water retention and gyno) are no different from 250mg to 500mg test yet the gains I see on 500mg as apposed to 250mg are two fold. Only if i drop down to 125mg of test a week do i not get any sides. When I am on 250mg a week I can maintain my strength and size but dont look all that great yet still have a puffy face and gyno if i dont use an anti-e however if i bump up to 500mg (keep in mind no other compounds) I look twice as good, more vascular, pumped and hard but no extra sides. Cant go over 500mg though or I have to use too much anti-e and skin gets too dry from this. 500mg test and 600 eq a week is my blast these days. Haven't tried tren yet but possibly this summer i will give it a go just scared of getting acne. Holding water has never been a big issue for me, only gyno. I think it has a lot to do with structure also which is just common sense really. Taller, bigger built guys with broad shoulders seem to be able to smash test and not look like a bloated whale but anyone under 6foot should stick to moderate test and high anabolics. Sounds dumb but just what I have noticed.

[monstermunch]

Does all test P cripple you? That's my only experience with one source and my valuable contribution to this discussion.

[LittleJ]

Which is better testp or sust?

[cswol]

Sostenon is the godfather of all testosterones the favorite of pro athletes contains 5 esters and works immediately and for the duration of one month!

[Red29]

you know what, i dieted once when very young on something called sterandryl retard(yes haha), i had no idea what it was, thought its some other form of parabolan.many years later when internet became normal to have i looked it up,and its a very short estered test version.
me and frends from then ,we all agree i got the leanest and best condition ever on that back then.

its test hexa-something, very similiar structure to propionate.

not available anymore.
nah, man, the vast majority of people will develop strong sides on 500mg test e weekly, if its legit stuff.500 seems to be the changing point for most.
ofc some will have red-purple faces and bloodpressure  like when you hold breath for 1 minute, and tons of water bloat but they so far detached from reality they say the see no sides and run gramm or more weekly.haha.
im not so sure, test is the base.
the rest is supposed to be improved, but looks like mainstream medicine still uses test mostly, that says everything.

couple examples:
dht derivates - big prostate problems.

anadrol, despite not aromatizing, and shouldnt turn to progestron, its shows all signs of both.

tren, deca...limp dick, this is unaceptable.i wont even go there,this is simply unaceptable side effect.

winstrol absolute cholesterol levels killer.

all non aromatizing drugs are very much bad for bloodwork results, much wordse than test, i looked up studies.

i think a bbuilder hspouldnt be scared or concerned about gyno, if its meant to happen there wil be no way around it.
i know ppl who dont even know what is anti estrogen and they on 1gramm+ year round and never a puffy nippel, while others do hrt stuff with anti es and just get gyno.

dude if i were you i wouldnt count these out at all. nandrolone is very mild drug, ive run up to a GRAM of NPP before for over 8 weeks and I LOVED IT! Kept me so damn full just blew me up like crazy and it's cheap as hell at least where I get it from.
and dude if you have your test in there with your tren and nandrolone you shouldn't get limp dick. but if you do, just get some pramipexole its dirt cheap. IMO no excuse to stick with test only, you will reap so much more from adding even a little bit of another compound. even drost with test is a great combo if your antsy about trying new drugs

[deceiver]

Tren won't kill your libido if you run cabaser with it.

Saw palmetto killing libido? Wow, self suggestion is strong with these. Saw palmetto is 100% placebo, check out the research.

[Red29]

Tren won't kill your libido if you run cabaser with it.

Saw palmetto killing libido? Wow, self suggestion is strong with these. Saw palmetto is 100% placebo, check out the research.

lol people scared of shit they havent even tried...

[Big Chiro Flex]

Tren won't kill your libido if you run cabaser with it.

Saw palmetto killing libido? Wow, self suggestion is strong with these. Saw palmetto is 100% placebo, check out the research.

Interesting...I've heard 2 guys say otherwise. Do any research backed anti-DHT's exist then?

[Mawse]

Yeah, proscar but why would you want to take it? The current thinking is that its the estrogen to test ratio not dht that causes prostrate issues

Tren, for me at least, actually drops my dht to zero, wish there was some human research on these compounds. I'm currently taking masteron to replace the dht but wish we could get dht cream here in America


Gal, if I inject the 200mg cyp in one go like my endo suggests I get a bhg aromatze spike and need anti es

If I shoot 30 mg Ed subq I barely get any e2 activity and can use 0.5 mg arimidex a week (less of that drug is def better )

[Red29]

Interesting...I've heard 2 guys say otherwise. Do any research backed anti-DHT's exist then?

this is why people dont want to try new compounds. they hear things about them they dont like and they read some stupid study on the effects of tren on lab mice lol

nothing beats hands on experience. you idiots can keep your damn studies

[Big Chiro Flex]

this is why people dont want to try new compounds. they hear things about them they dont like and they read some stupid study on the effects of tren on lab mice lol

nothing beats hands on experience. you idiots can keep your damn studies

This post contradicts itself bro.

I have a good friend who's hands on experience has been that his libido gets weird when taking DHT....that's his experience, not from a study.

So you can see why I'm inquiring further on the subject. Both anecdotal experience as well as research have their place.

[no one]

i think all compounds do not affect all people the same, despite what 'coventional wisdom' or research suggests.

i know that tren ace turns me into a porn star (ok, bigger porn star) and that NPP causes me to shed like crazy. conventional wisdom says neither should happen.

i think people should experiment with such compounds with out any preconcieved notions, pay attention to what is going on in their body, and create an expectation based on experience rather than supposition.

[Big Chiro Flex]

i think all compounds do not affect all people the same, despite what 'coventional wisdom' or research suggests.

i know that tren ace turns me into a porn star (ok, bigger porn star) and that NPP causes me to shed like crazy. conventional wisdom says neither should happen.

i think people should experiment with such compounds with out any preconcieved notions, pay attention to what is going on in their body, and create an expectation based on experience rather than supposition.

I hate your advice sometimes.....if I wanted a common sense approach to thing, I know where to find it pal. I'm looking for the magic bullet here, not some cookie cutter answers. Now should I or should I NOT run 200mg tren Ace ED while chopping up and snorting lines of Anadrol powder, in between SEOing my bicep peaks every hour on the hour?