test p vs test e question for those who did them both

[Red29]

here you go again.you are a fucking tool.you dont have to be pro bodybuilder or even a good bodybuilder to have knowledge about gear.i saw guys winning world using 400mg tren and 500mg prop and white trash like you injecting gallons of oil in you smelly butt and still look like shit.i live in your back yard ass clown.check more of my posts.

lol thats right.. they told you they were using that much.

bro mens physique competitors use more tren than that. dont even get me started

[Rajkapoor]

lol pros blast the shit out of deca and dbol. im talking grams of deca in the offseason.

here we go again another high school drop out.fuck this board.i am outta here.

[Rajkapoor]

lol thats right.. they told you they were using that much.

bro mens physique competitors use more tren than that. dont even get me started

keep telling yourself that.

[arce1988]

 just hate having to IED with Prop

[OTHstrong]

yes fuck you.anyone using 200mg/day tren is a fucking retard.kids use dbold deca not pros.u bumb fuck.stop spreading wrong info.

I have a lot of friends who are IFBB pros bro, lots and they all use deca and d-bol at one point or another, they use everything, enlighten us, you know something we don't?

[OTHstrong]

here you go again.you are a fucking tool.you dont have to be pro bodybuilder or even a good bodybuilder to have knowledge about gear.i saw guys winning world using 400mg tren and 500mg prop and white trash like you injecting gallons of oil in you smelly butt and still look like shit.i live in your back yard ass clown.check more of my posts.

MCFLY, MCFLY.

YOUR SHOES UNTIED.

DOPE, DON'T BE SO GULLIBLE MCFLY.

LMAO, SURE CAUSE PEOPLE REALLY TELL YOU WHAT THEY TAKE AT THE LEVEL, i MEAN OF COURSE THEY WON'T LIE ABOUT THE AMOUNTS, OH NO OF COURSE NOT     ROTFLMAO

[Red29]

I have a lot of friends who are IFBB pros bro, lots and they all use deca and d-bol at one point or another, they use everything, enlighten us, you know something we don't?

exactly. they use as much as they can afford to run for as long as they can. especially gh.

[OTHstrong]

lol thats right.. they told you they were using that much.

bro mens physique competitors use more tren than that. dont even get me started

exactly. they use as much as they can afford to run for as long as they can. especially gh.

spot on both comments, some people are just naive, 

[ukjeff]

LMAO, SURE CAUSE PEOPLE REALLY TELL YOU WHAT THEY TAKE AT THE LEVEL, i MEAN OF COURSE THEY WON'T LIE ABOUT THE AMOUNTS, OH NO OF COURSE NOT     ROTFLMAO

Don't wish to cause a row but what makes you think the pro friends you have tell you the truth about what they take?

[Red29]

spot on both comments, some people are just naive, 

no its not naivete so much as it is pure ignorance. thats right. a comp winning bber is using 900mg a week total. ive been up to 4g a week. where are my trophies? pro level guys use more of one drug than most peoples weekly total. hell most use more test ED than most guys weekly total. half a gram of test daily is common for these guys.

[dustin]

just hate having to IED with Prop

EOD is fine man, even every two days. Even with sky rocketing prolactin levels and high estrogen, I've never had issues pinning prop irregularly. Some of the shit takes a while to cleave from the ester and if you've been on for a month or two you can go a decent amount of time missing shots.

I always do EOD but sometimes I get sick of pinning and will take a week to a few weeks off. Once I start feeling smaller I'll pin again.

[Ex Coelis]

Ive done test e, c, and prop at various times in stacks and as stand-alones

I stay lean as a cock (sub 8%) all year round while using and while clean so I definitely see changes

at 500 mg/week I haven't seen much difference between enanthate and cypionate - increased strength and size, constant libido, sustained rock solid erections, increased aggression (not a bad thing in my perspective especially combined with high libido)

unfortunately I get a bloofy moon-face and water retention around my mid section, lots of sweating, plus bacne (not terrible but enough to occupy my wife)

on test prop 1.5 cc eod (I forget the exact mg per ml) I was gtg in less than 4 days - hard, dry, full

on prop I didn't hold any water and I could trace my ab veins up to my ribs - ridiculous

the only disadvantage to prop, I found, was that the injection site hurt like a son of a bitch for days after, making squats difficult after pinning my quads. I still sweat a lot too

for me the perfect cycle would be 100 mg test prop + 100 mg tren ace eod or ed - guaranteed muscle god in days (provided you're LEAN!!!!!! - these miracle drugs are wasted on fat people)

as an aside, I love tren ace but it gives me serious ED requiring daily cialis and/or test stack - ironic that it makes me look like a sex god, yet leaves me struggling to maintain an erection - not worth it . . .

[OTHstrong]

Don't wish to cause a row but what makes you think the pro friends you have tell you the truth about what they take?

Of course they do ding dong, use your head, one of them tells me he does at least a gram a day, everyday year round, ya he is lying? read between the lines bro.

obviously if someone says he killed ten men with machine guns using a broom stick, you got to be fucken stupid to believe it.

[ukjeff]

Of course they do ding dong, use your head, one of them tells me he does at least a gram a day, everyday year round, ya he is lying? read between the lines bro.

obviously if someone says he killed ten men with machine guns using a broom stick, you got to be fucken stupid to believe it.

Lying, well he may just be taking the piss.   

[OTHstrong]

Lying, well he may just be taking the piss.   

ya taking the piss while I am in the man's kitchen looking at his 300 bottle stash, bro you are acting like you are 12 years old that just picked up a muscle and fitness, your rational on everything has been a little off as of late. 

[ilalin]

Ive done test e, c, and prop at various times in stacks and as stand-alones

I stay lean as a cock (sub 8%) all year round while using and while clean so I definitely see changes

at 500 mg/week I haven't seen much difference between enanthate and cypionate - increased strength and size, constant libido, sustained rock solid erections, increased aggression (not a bad thing in my perspective especially combined with high libido)

unfortunately I get a bloofy moon-face and water retention around my mid section, lots of sweating, plus bacne (not terrible but enough to occupy my wife)

on test prop 1.5 cc eod (I forget the exact mg per ml) I was gtg in less than 4 days - hard, dry, full

on prop I didn't hold any water and I could trace my ab veins up to my ribs - ridiculous

the only disadvantage to prop, I found, was that the injection site hurt like a son of a bitch for days after, making squats difficult after pinning my quads. I still sweat a lot too

for me the perfect cycle would be 100 mg test prop + 100 mg tren ace eod or ed - guaranteed muscle god in days (provided you're LEAN!!!!!! - these miracle drugs are wasted on fat people)

as an aside, I love tren ace but it gives me serious ED requiring daily cialis and/or test stack - ironic that it makes me look like a sex god, yet leaves me struggling to maintain an erection - not worth it . . .

Thanks for the post

What about nipple sensitivity while on tren?

[Red29]

tren i think is kinda ultimate bitch tits maker for those with predisposition.

for me, there was no warning time, no sensitivity, the gyno grow LITERALY and i mena that, overnight.

not joking.

its a very good steroid, but this bitchtits issue is there, and im not sure id tell ppl using "caber" will prevent that, bc i simply wouldnt know.

some people get gyno from tren and other 19nors and some get it from test. and some lucky fucks dont get it from either.

i can run 19 nors all day, ive stacked a gram of NPP with 500mg tren and no issues at all.
on the other hand though, ive run 500mg test e and my nips flared up bad. same with dbol, and anadrol.

[dustin]

some people get gyno from tren and other 19nors and some get it from test. and some lucky fucks dont get it from either.

i can run 19 nors all day, ive stacked a gram of NPP with 500mg tren and no issues at all.
on the other hand though, ive run 500mg test e and my nips flared up bad. same with dbol, and anadrol.

On this note, I get a prolactin flare up once every year or every other year. Nipples will get puffy and no amount of AI will help. Cabergoline helps the best and I can fuck like a pornstar. I've tried observing things as carefully as possible to find out how I fix the problem each time but it seems to go away on it's own. I like suicidal AIs and a bit of caber. I go from having some sketchy pseudo gyno to nothing at all and 100% perfectly normal nipples and no problems with the sex drive.

I've tried getting blood work but no matter how I swing it the doctors never want to let me get my prolactin checked out in succession. Have had a multitude of blood work and maybe the thyroid or IGF-1 has some part to play. All those hormones can fuck things up and cause gyno. I try shutting down IGF-1 with nolvadex too and I think it might help, but it's all so tough to say. Way too many hormones and too many variables to try guessing. I had an appointment to get my gyno cut out but after my flare up subsided the surgeon said there's nothing to cut out.

I'd just recommend to anyone who gets flare ups to cut out the 19-nors when they do, go on some nolvadex and an AI like aromasin and get a dopamine receptor agonist like cabergoline or whatever agrees with your body. I've found caber to be the most forgiving and the most abundant without being faked or underdosed. Don't go overboard and use too much because it can fuck you up. Just use a little and sooner turn to letro than upping the caber dose. Your sex drive will get shut down but you can probably mitigate the growth and slow it down pretty quickly. I also recommend stable, low dose test. Don't fuck around with sust or anything, just some test prop EOD and low dose.

[Mr. Zimbabwe]

On this note, I get a prolactin flare up once every year or every other year. Nipples will get puffy and no amount of AI will help. Cabergoline helps the best and I can fuck like a pornstar. I've tried observing things as carefully as possible to find out how I fix the problem each time but it seems to go away on it's own. I like suicidal AIs and a bit of caber. I go from having some sketchy pseudo gyno to nothing at all and 100% perfectly normal nipples and no problems with the sex drive.

Excellent thread! (Mod's please don't move to steroid board. LOL!)

Dustin, how does cabegoline compare to nolvadex or Arimidex?  And what do you mean by "suicidal AI's"?

[dustin]

Excellent thread! (Mod's please don't move to steroid board. LOL!)

Dustin, how does cabegoline compare to nolvadex or Arimidex?  And what do you mean by "suicidal AI's"?

Exemestane or Aromasin is supposed to permanently bind to the estrogen receptor, leaving no possibility for aromatase to bind. Although in my experience it's not permanent, but it does work well and is a good long term solution. That's why they call it a suicidal inhibitor. I think it's a bit more forgiving too because you can some something like letrozole and that'll shut you right down before you know it. The adverse side affects take a while to feel, so by the time your dick is limp as a bowl of ramen and your joints are screaming in pain you're done. You want something that'll work differently than conventional aromatase inhibitors because there's already a plethora to choose from. Multiple tools in your arsenal is the way to go. And sometimes blocking aromatase rather than killing it helps to keep other shit from going out of whack.

Dostinex or Cabergoline is a dopamine and serotonin receptor agonist. I like it a bit better than Pramipexole and Bromocriptine. I just don't seem to get any side affects from it and it agrees with my body. I've heard others say the same about the latter, but because of it's availability I'd sooner recommend the caber.

When prolactin, estrogen and IGF-1 are high then that's the precise environment that a woman's body creates when she's preparing for childbirth. As guys, we don't want to be lactating or creating an environment where our breast tissues are growing in anticipation for childbirth and subsequent lactation and breast feeding. Not unless maybe you're a tranny or a lady boy. So by taking AIs and dopamine receptor agonists in tandem you're approaching it from multiple fronts. It's also a smart idea to shut down IGF-1 with some Tamoxifen Citrate/Nolvadex as well. I know "teh gainz", but it's either that or grow titties. I don't think IGF-1 is the primary reason for hypertrophy and I've done plenty of growing while taking nolva, so I don't think people should fear this.

Everyone's got different genetic makeup and a different endocrine system. I'm told by endocrinologists and my fertility doctor that even the thyroid has a part to play, so we're just throwing drugs into the mix and hoping for the best. By understanding what causes gyno, we can take steps to mitigate it. And in my experience just pinning regularly is one of the best things you could do. I don't like long test esters either. For one, saturating your blood quickly seems to work better, even if you take a lot more of a longer ester mg for mg. I won't say why I believe this, I'm just confident that this is true. And I believe that when you have test lingering in your system there's a higher probability that some of it will be aromatized and turned into estrogen sooner than it'll be utilized as free or bound test. That's just what I believe from my own experience. Maybe others are different, but I see a lot of people echoing similar ideas.

[Mawse]

Caber reduces prolactin secretion, I used not to like it compared to prami but having used both on prescription caber is much more effective at a low dose. Caber does reduce igf quite drastically even at low doses ( by bb standards) 1 mg a week drops prolactin to zero for me on. 500 mg tren so I don't know wtf guys are doing taking 1 mg eod

Prolactin gyno is a bitch, leaking bloody puss milk when you squeeze your nipples SUCKS. Even with low igf and low e2 I can develop it on the nandrolones

[dustin]

Caber reduces prolactin secretion, I used not to like it compared to prami but having used both on prescription caber is much more effective at a low dose.

Prolactin gyno is a bitch, leaking bloody puss milk when you squeeze your nipples SUCKS. Even with low igf and low e2 I can develop it on the nandrolones

Yep. I know you're not supposed to but I can't help but to give it a squeeze. It sprays out of the montgomery bumps. I used to wait a few weeks to "save it up" and give it a good squeeze. Fucking disgusting, but satisfying like popping a zit.

[Mawse]

Lol I know that feeling

Apparently squeezing it simulates a baby suckling which causes the gland to produce more man milk. I'm no cswole but I think l need gyno surgery if I ever get to 8% as I have glands grown

[dustin]

Lol I know that feeling

Apparently squeezing it simulates a baby suckling which causes the gland to produce more man milk. I'm no cswole but I think l need gyno surgery if I ever get to 8% as I have glands grown

lol that's precisely why I feel so much remorse every time I squeeze them! I know I shouldn't be doing it, but it feels like they need to be milked.

Every time I do it I'm thinking "fuck, I should really stop pinning and fucking with my body". But because I always do it in the bathroom the mirror's right there and I start posing down for a good 20 minutes or until my wife asks what the fuck I'm doing. I'm milking my tits and posing down - FUCK OFF!!


You ever throw down a fuck ton of letro in desperation? My glands were hard as rocks and as large as marbles but now they're gone. Everyone says you can't get rid of hard gyno but pseudo gyno can be dealt with sans surgery. Mine are fine though. Seen a few friends blast it with letro with varying degrees of success. Much better to have a limp dick and sore joints than to fork out $4k for surgery. I simply lucked out. Had a couple of consultations and was about to book time off work and it suddenly disappeared.

[ESFitness]

Ive done test e, c, and prop at various times in stacks and as stand-alones

I stay lean as a cock (sub 8%) all year round while using and while clean so I definitely see changes

at 500 mg/week I haven't seen much difference between enanthate and cypionate - increased strength and size, constant libido, sustained rock solid erections, increased aggression (not a bad thing in my perspective especially combined with high libido)

unfortunately I get a bloofy moon-face and water retention around my mid section, lots of sweating, plus bacne (not terrible but enough to occupy my wife)

on test prop 1.5 cc eod (I forget the exact mg per ml) I was gtg in less than 4 days - hard, dry, full

on prop I didn't hold any water and I could trace my ab veins up to my ribs - ridiculous

the only disadvantage to prop, I found, was that the injection site hurt like a son of a bitch for days after, making squats difficult after pinning my quads. I still sweat a lot too

for me the perfect cycle would be 100 mg test prop + 100 mg tren ace eod or ed - guaranteed muscle god in days (provided you're LEAN!!!!!! - these miracle drugs are wasted on fat people)

as an aside, I love tren ace but it gives me serious ED requiring daily cialis and/or test stack - ironic that it makes me look like a sex god, yet leaves me struggling to maintain an erection - not worth it . . .

don't let A_amed see that, he'll claim you're delusional/anorexic or just flat out lying.