Author Topic: Dorian Yates vs. Jay Cutler - At their best, who wins? (Read 32073 times)

njflex · « **Reply #75 on:** August 22, 2013, 11:23:44 AM »

Quote from: Wiggs on August 22, 2013, 11:18:45 AM

lol. Welcome back bro.

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Wiggs · « **Reply #76 on:** August 22, 2013, 11:28:51 AM »

Quote from: kohl on August 22, 2013, 11:18:34 AM

Just can't compare Haney to Yates. It's another era. It's not fair towards Haney.

Oh it's fair alright. Yates NEVER looked this good.

Wiggs · « **Reply #77 on:** August 22, 2013, 11:38:48 AM »

Quote from: kohl on August 22, 2013, 11:35:26 AM

That's why the thread is stupid ;-)

You can never compare bodybuilders from different era's because thet used different things.

Arnold had access to cadaver hg and basic anabolics.

Haney was a genetic miracle in responding to aas and took bb to another level, reaching the maximum somebody can achieve without abusing gh and slin.

Dorian introduced the abuse of gh and slin.

Ronnie had better genetics then Yates + added another ingredient in 2003 (IGF-1 lr3 in a systemic way).

The Ronnie of 2003 was the best of all times. His merit is that, even after ten years, his top physique is still unmatched, despite the ever continuing progress in bodybuilding. Nobody else can say that.

2003 Ronnie was large but he wasn't the best all time. He added muscle and sacrificed a tight waist line, tie ins, separation, and conditioning. The best incarnation of Ronnie is 1998 Mr. O (said by Ronnie himself).

The Ugly · « **Reply #78 on:** August 22, 2013, 11:50:43 AM »

I gotta agree with Wiggs, bigger Ronnie in 2003 sacrificed a little too much for the extra size. Not his best showing, in my opinion.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #79 on:** August 22, 2013, 12:02:08 PM »

Quote from: kohl on August 22, 2013, 11:48:08 AM

I respect your opinion, and understand it in a certain way because from an aesthetical point of view the Ronnie of 1998 was unmatched (I mean: combination aesthetics + mass), but in 2003 Ronnie was FREAKY, FROM ANOTHER PLANET. Look at him in this pic next to an all time great...

Was he handsome? No... he wasn't even human! But isn't that what bodybuilding is about? Creating a mutant physique? Well, that's what he did in 2003.

The Ronnie of 2003 would DWARF today's Heath and Ramy. The Ronnie of 1998 would still beat them, but not by that a margin.

Ronnie 2003 would DWARF Heath NOT Ramy not by a long shot.

2003 sucked compared to his best , Ronnie looked awful and contrary to your opinion that's not what bodybuilding is all about

smoothasf · « **Reply #80 on:** August 22, 2013, 12:31:20 PM »

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calfzilla · « **Reply #81 on:** August 22, 2013, 12:35:35 PM »

Dorian was better. Thanks wiggs for taking the time to focus on two great white champions.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #82 on:** August 22, 2013, 12:36:11 PM »

And this isn't even Dorian at his best and he would still DEMOLISH Haney & Coleman

Wiggs · « **Reply #83 on:** August 22, 2013, 12:44:00 PM »

Quote from: calfzilla on August 22, 2013, 12:35:35 PM

Dorian was better. Thanks wiggs for taking the time to focus on two great white champions.

I like white fellas also. Dorian is my favorite. Arnold goes without saying, Mike Francois was great, and many others.

Wiggs · « **Reply #84 on:** August 22, 2013, 12:46:26 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on August 22, 2013, 12:36:11 PM

And this isn't even Dorian at his best and he would still DEMOLISH Haney & Coleman

I'll see your 96 Grand Prix Dorian with my 98 Grand Prix Ronnie. Game over.

BDsauce · « **Reply #85 on:** August 22, 2013, 01:06:47 PM »

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NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #86 on:** August 22, 2013, 01:08:24 PM »

Quote from: Wiggs on August 22, 2013, 12:46:26 PM

I'll see your 96 Grand Prix Dorian with my 98 Grand Prix Ronnie. Game over.

Game over for Ronnie and his piss-poor conditioning $:-\$

delta9mda · « **Reply #87 on:** August 22, 2013, 01:14:16 PM »

Quote from: kohl on August 22, 2013, 11:35:26 AM

That's why the thread is stupid ;-)

You can never compare bodybuilders from different era's because thet used different things.

Arnold had access to cadaver hg and basic anabolics.

Haney was a genetic miracle in responding to aas and took bb to another level, reaching the maximum somebody can achieve without abusing gh and slin.

Dorian introduced the abuse of gh and slin.

Ronnie had better genetics then Yates + added another ingredient in 2003 (IGF-1 lr3 in a systemic way).

The Ronnie of 2003 was the best of all times. His merit is that, even after ten years, his top physique is still unmatched, despite the ever continuing progress in bodybuilding. Nobody else can say that.

Yeah Yates intriduced slin and gh abuse, oh brother.

Wiggs · « **Reply #88 on:** August 22, 2013, 01:15:54 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on August 22, 2013, 01:08:24 PM

Game over for Ronnie and his piss-poor conditioning $:-\$

Dorian can be compared to Ronnie when he decides to show to up to shows with both of his arms. If Phil showed up with a mangled arms he'd lose is title and Dorian should have lost his title no matter how shredded he was. No arms, no Mr. O.

Mr Nobody · « **Reply #89 on:** August 22, 2013, 01:31:06 PM »

Arnold would wax them both back in the day and axe no questions.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #90 on:** August 22, 2013, 01:34:19 PM »

Quote from: Wiggs on August 22, 2013, 01:15:54 PM

Dorian can be compared to Ronnie when he decides to show to up to shows with both of his arms. If Phil showed up with a mangled arms he'd lose is title and Dorian should have lost his title no matter how shredded he was. No arms, no Mr. O.

Ronnie won with MANGLED calves $:-\$ a gut and bitch-tits