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« on: August 27, 2013, 06:19:21 PM »

I doubt this will rival my Snack O'Neal thread because Howard is in the prime of his career, but it will be interesting to see how his move to Houston pans out.  I think it was a mistake.  But time will tell. 

Don't like these comments at all, if true.  (But I'm not a D'Antoni fan.  Yet.)

Report: Howard demanded Bryant be amnestied or 'muzzled'
By Matt Moore | NBA writerAugust 24, 2013



These two: not friends. Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard. (USATSI)

CSN Bay Area reports that Dwight Howard's demands of the Lakers in their meeting with the free agent center in early July centered around two controversial issues: firing Mike D'Antoni and amnestying, or "muzzling," franchise icon Kobe Bryant.

Talks with various people close to the situation make it clear there were two prerequisites for Dwight Howard to remain a Laker: fire Mike D'Antoni and amnesty, or at the very least muzzle, Kobe Bryant. As audacious as that might sound, it doesn't come without precedent in Lakers' history. When Kobe re-upped in 2004, it coincided with Shaq being shipped to Miami and Phil Jackson being let go. Of course, Kobe didn't have to pressure the team braintrust -- Mitch Kupchak and Jerry and Jim Buss -- to make those moves, since Dr. Buss, in particular, was done with both Shaq and Phil at the time.

The Lakers apparently asked Dwight to be patient on both fronts for at least another season, telling him "hey, you're going to have to gut this out another year," a source said, although it sounds as if VP of basketball ops Jim Buss isn't ready to abandon Kobe anytime soon. "Dwight didn't want to play with Kobe for 2-3 more years," Buss said. "I'm going to stand behind Kobe because of his history with the franchise." It would seem, then, with all that happened, the Lakers had the wherewithal to keep Howard if they had desired; they simply found the price too high.

via Ric Bucher's post on Basketball | Latest updates on Sulia.

Does that sound like a fairly one-sided perspective on a complex issue, almost like it was purposefully designed to leave Dwight Howard looking like a self-important jackass with a massive ego and the Lakers to look sympathetic as they defended their franchise icon?

Yeah. That's about what it looks like.

But there's a lot of smoke to this fire. Let's take a look at some headlines, shall we?

Dwight Howard says Kobe Bryant should chill out, which should go over well

Report: Kobe and Dwight Howard 'feuding'?

Report: Kobe's refusal to step aside key factor in Howard's departure

Report: Kobe Bryant challenges Dwight Howard in Lakers meeting

Kobe Bryant unfollows Dwight Howard on Twitter, says 'vamos'

Dwight Howard on playing with Kobe Bryant: 'It was very tough'

So clearly, if we look at the big picture, they didn't get along. Notice tha CSN Bay Area's report doesn't deal with the issue of firing Mike D'Antoni, as only the protection of Bryant was seen as a non-starter. CSN Bay Area clarified that point:

I know you're tired of this story and I hope this is the last post on the Howard-Lakers subject but an important clarification from my previous item: Howard,in the final conversations before leaving for Houston, didn't specifically tell the Lakers that if coach Mike D'Antoni was fired he'd stay and the Lakers never made the offer to do so if it would convince Howard to re-up. Did Dwight have issues with his role in Mike's offense? Yes. Was he enamored with playing for Phil Jackson? Apparently. But the fact is he's headed to the Rockets, who run -- or have run -- practically the same pick-and-roll offense that D'Antoni employs and, as Jeremy Lin insinuated recently and I've observed firsthand, Kevin McHale can be as publicly ascerbic as D'Antoni or any other coach assessing a player. While there are those who insist the Lakers had the wherewithal to keep Howard, the feeling is not unanimous: some involved believe he never intended to stay. That, perhaps, is why it's difficult to put this story in the rearview mirror -- because the reasons that Howard is not a Laker are vital in defining both who he is and who the Lakers are in the wake of Dr. Buss' death. Those reasons remain a point of contention. This is certainly not the first time that has happened in the wake of a star player changing addresses -- or even a star center leaving the Lakers, re: Shaq -- and maybe this is a subject better tackled by a marriage counselor or divorce lawyer, but if the parties involved can't agree on what prompted their split, maybe that's a sign that they weren't meant to be together.

via Ric Bucher's post on Basketball | Latest updates on Sulia.

The Lakers would be right to protect Bryant. He's given his life to this franchise and won them five titles, made them inconceivable amounts of money. But is it as simple as "Howard demanded him gone, the Lakers refused?" That's hard to figure. There's no black and white here. You can expect reports of Howard's side of this deal to "miraculously" appear at some point down the line, whether it's next week or months later.

One thing is clear, the Lakers do not seem ready as an organization to let go of Howard's rejection. You can understand that as well; nobody turns down the Lakers. It just doesn't happen, yet there Howard is, dressed in Rocket red for opening night.

It sets the stage for what could be a fairly amazing feud over the end of Kobe's career and another sign that sometimes, superstars can't team up. Their egos just won't let them.

This story is not going away any time soon. It's implications were just too big, the personalities involved too big.

  http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/23300755/report-dwight-howard-demanded-kobe-bryant-be-amnestied-or-muzzled
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« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2013, 09:35:20 AM »

howard is an ass. he gets van gundy fired than leaves the team.before it all went down  howard is shown hugging van gundy saying i'm not trying to get him fired.  dwight howard in two words=lockeroom cancer.
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« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2013, 12:59:58 PM »

Howard wants to be the king of his team but doesn't have the killer instinct to bury his opponents. Kobe does. Kobe is just like Jordan when it came to having that dominating will to beat his opponents. It was Kobe's team and he was 1a to Howard's 1b. Howard didn't like that even though he doesn't have those traits Kobe possesses to win.

Howard is a fraud. Plus that stupid ass fake cheesy smile of his is annoying. And stop of having so many kids out of wedlock you fucking deadbeat. I can't stand him and he I hope he fails miserably in Houston. Locker room cancer. He won't be worth a fuck when his athletic ability declines in a few years. He never learned a post game and probably won't respect Kevin Mchale's attempts on helping him in that area.
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« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2013, 03:25:03 PM »

He could have won in LA if he stayed.  They probably would have brought Phil back if D'Antoni didn't get it done.  Phil knows how to use a big man.  D'Antoni doesn't. 

What's funny is I think Howard was afraid of the spotlight and pressure in LA, and may have used the unreasonable demand (get rid of Kobe) as an excuse. 

But hey who needs Howard when you can get Chris Kaman?   Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2013, 05:49:13 PM »

Dwight Howard is a clown and a drama queen.  I'm so glad to be rid of him. 

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« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2013, 12:18:02 PM »

alot of angry laker fans in this thread...kobe over the hill and losing what prospects you do have will do that I guess
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« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2013, 01:59:25 PM »

alot of angry laker fans in this thread...kobe over the hill and losing what prospects you do have will do that I guess

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« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2013, 09:33:40 PM »

I cannot speak for anyone else, but I'm not angry at all. 

The team is on the decline, kobe is fucked, will come back strong but not the same, nash is old as fuck, pau will continue to regress and they have no picks, no prospects, no cap room for a while. I wouldn't stay if I was Dwight, the lakers with him and a healthy kobe were bad. An older kobe and nash/pau? fuck that.
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« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2013, 06:09:03 PM »

The team is on the decline, kobe is fucked, will come back strong but not the same, nash is old as fuck, pau will continue to regress and they have no picks, no prospects, no cap room for a while. I wouldn't stay if I was Dwight, the lakers with him and a healthy kobe were bad. An older kobe and nash/pau? fuck that.

He was dumb to leave.  The Lakers are the most successful franchise in the NBA.  They find a way to get great players.  They win championships.  That's the legacy, past and present.  So overall, it was a bad basketball move, because no franchise, including Houston, will give him a better chance to compete for multiple championships.   

He left $30 million in salary on the table.  He left many times more than that in endorsement money on the table.  Horrible financial decision.

And "no cap room for a while"?  Not true.  The Lakers will have as much as any team in the NBA next year, enough to sign two max contract players.  Another reason why it was dumb for Howard to leave. 

But will be interesting to see how it plays out.     
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« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2013, 12:19:21 PM »

He was dumb to leave.  The Lakers are the most successful franchise in the NBA.  They find a way to get great players.  They win championships.  That's the legacy, past and present.  So overall, it was a bad basketball move, because no franchise, including Houston, will give him a better chance to compete for multiple championships.   

He left $30 million in salary on the table.  He left many times more than that in endorsement money on the table.  Horrible financial decision.

And "no cap room for a while"?  Not true.  The Lakers will have as much as any team in the NBA next year, enough to sign two max contract players.  Another reason why it was dumb for Howard to leave. 

But will be interesting to see how it plays out.     

Yes the team is terrible, got ousted in the first round, is aging and has no prospects. What free agent would want to go there? they have no draft picks, the only way they acquire talent at this point is trade and cap room. With that cap room kobe is coming off the books, so you don't resign him? if you don't you have enough for two max contracts, kobe is going downhill.

He never wanted to be in LA. Winning isn't anywhere in the Lakers future. They are regressing, three of there stars may be in there last year.


He left money on the table but he can resign another long term deal earlier, probably netting him more in the long run.


Houston is better then LA, has a young star he can grow with and the best GM in the game.
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« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2013, 12:46:57 PM »

Yes the team is terrible, got ousted in the first round, is aging and has no prospects. What free agent would want to go there? they have no draft picks, the only way they acquire talent at this point is trade and cap room. With that cap room kobe is coming off the books, so you don't resign him? if you don't you have enough for two max contracts, kobe is going downhill.

He never wanted to be in LA. Winning isn't anywhere in the Lakers future. They are regressing, three of there stars may be in there last year.


He left money on the table but he can resign another long term deal earlier, probably netting him more in the long run.


Houston is better then LA, has a young star he can grow with and the best GM in the game.

The team was definitely terrible by Laker standards.  It's championship or bust in LA. 

They don't need draft picks to compete.  They need to sign young superstar players, which they have been doing for years.  And Kobe isn’t coming off the books.  He’s probably just going to take a haircut. 

Did you watch Kobe play last year?  That was one of the best years of his career.  The only question is whether he can recover from the injury.  But if anyone can, it’s Kobe.

The Lakers don’t regress.  They reload.  They may have down years, but Mitch Kupchak is a proven winner.  This is the same man who convinced Karl Malone and Gary Payton to basically play for free.  The same guy who traded for Pau.  The same guy who traded for Chris Paul.  (I still hope David Stern has perpetual, chronic diarrhea for vetoing that trade.)  He had to make a believer out of me, because I didn’t think anyone would be as good as Jerry West, but I’m sold.   

You are high if you think Howard can make more money in Houston than in LA.  That’s not even debatable.  His endorsement potential was much greater in LA.  That’s part of the reason Shaq signed with LA. 

Houston has the best GM in the game?  lol  Dude do you really follow the NBA?  (I’m thinking no since you claimed LA had no cap room for years to come.)  The best GMs in the game are Riley in Miami (not sure if he has the GM title, but he’s effectively the GM), the legendary West in Golden State, and Mitch Kupchak in LA.  What Houston has done is great, but they haven’t won squat yet.   

Yes, Harden is a great scorer.  I’ve always been a big fan of McHale.  But will they compete for multiple championships?  We shall see.       

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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2013, 11:34:22 AM »

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Olajuwon praises Howard-Lin combo
September 18, 2013
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Olajuwon, a Hall of Fame center who works as a special instructor with the Rockets, praised Howard and Lin after working with them last week in Colorado, according to Fox 26 in Houston.

"Just the little offense I saw, that combination is very deadly," Olajuwon told Fox 26. "You can see that both of them are very excited, seeing that, 'Wow, we bring the right ingredients together.'

"When you see players that are dedicated to succeed, it gives you that window to see what kind of season that we're looking for."

Olajuwon, a two-time NBA champion and 12-time All-Star with the Rockets, was impressed with the newly acquired Howard.

"Dwight can clearly dominate this league comfortably," Olajuwon told Fox 26. "He has everything that he needs, and he has desire and work ethic to do it."

Olajuwon also stressed the importance of Lin, who will be counted on to lead a team that features Howard, All-Star guard James Harden and emerging forward Chandler Parsons.

"To be on the right team, which he is right now, he can really help and play his role very well and be effective," Olajuwon said of Lin. "There's no pressure on him now. It's on Dwight and James. His position is crucial for the team's success, and he can play that role very well."

Olajuwon had worked with Howard in the past. He also was at Howard's news conference this summer when he was introduced by the Rockets after signing a four-year contract worth about $88 million.

Olajuwon, who was elected to the Basketball Hall of Fame in 2008, is the Rockets' all-time leader in several categories, including points (26,511), rebounds (13,382), blocks (3,740) and steals (2,088). He was the NBA's MVP in 1993-94 and was named Finals MVP in back-to-back seasons (1994, '95).

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« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2013, 01:25:47 PM »

Cuban makes some good points.  You choose a franchise, not individual players.

Mark Cuban: Howard made mistake
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By Tim MacMahon | ESPNDallas.com

DALLAS -- Mavericks owner Mark Cuban lost the recruiting battle for Dwight Howard to the Houston Rockets, but Cuban believes that's because the big man made a bad decision.

"Obviously, he made a mistake in judgment," Cuban said Thursday, a little more than 24 hours before the Mavericks play Howard's Rockets in Houston. "Do I blame him? No, that's what young kids do. They make mistakes in judgment."

The Mavs and Rockets were two of the five teams that made pitches to Howard and his agents in Los Angeles this summer. Cuban thinks Howard, 27, had already made up his mind to sign with the Rockets and team up with 24-year-old rising superstar shooting guard James Harden.


Cuban Obviously, he made a mistake in judgment. Do I blame him? No, that's what young kids do. They make mistakes in judgment.

-- Mavs owner Mark Cuban,
on Dwight Howard's decision
to sign with the Rockets

Mavs superstar Dirk Nowitzki is 35, but Cuban considers it foolish to make a decision in free agency based primarily on the age of potential co-stars.

"You choose teams. You don't choose players," Cuban said. "If he made a choice off of an individual player, yeah, he made a mistake. You choose teams. You choose organizations. You choose coaches. And it's just not relative to Houston. That's just the way I look at it, because if he's that good, then the right organization …

"Put aside Dwight. Any young superstar looking to make a move, if you're that good, then the right organization gets all the right pieces around you. So it's not about you'd rather play with this guy. If you're that good and you have [salary-cap] flexibility, the right organization will put the right pieces around you and get you there."

The Dallas front office's track record of success was a significant part of the Mavs' pitch to Howard. Dallas had a streak of 11 50-win seasons, which included two trips to the NBA Finals and a championship in 2011, snapped in the lockout-shortened 2011-12 campaign after Cuban opted to let Tyson Chandler and others leave in free agency because he wanted the salary-cap space to chase a superstar in free agency. The Mavs' streak of 12 playoff seasons ended last season, as Nowitzki dealt with injuries while being surrounded by a supporting cast consisting primarily of one-year rental players.

The Rockets, who pulled off a stunning blockbuster trade to land Harden before last season, have won one playoff series in the past 17 seasons.

Nowitzki, however, doesn't blame Howard for deciding that Houston was the best destination for him.

"Houston obviously is an up-and-coming team," Nowitzki told ESPNDallas.com. "[Chandler] Parsons to me is a phenomenal player, an up-and-coming player, and Harden is one of the best in the league at getting to the basket and scoring. They're going to be a handful."

Cuban said he thought the Mavs were a long shot going into their meeting with Howard and his representatives because of his feeling that Howard was leaning heavily to Houston. However, Cuban left the meeting believing that the Mavs had a legitimate chance, as did Nowitzki.

"I actually thought it went great, but the problem with those meetings is they don't really let on how it went or what they liked," Nowitzki said. "They went out of the room, came back in, had a couple of more questions for us. We answered those. I thought Cuban was fantastic in his presentation, even presented some of the marketing stuff we could have done here. So I thought we were really prepared.

"I thought it went well. But if you ask the other four teams -- or Houston got him, but the other three that didn't get him -- they'd probably say the same. It's a little misleading in those meetings. But we gave it our best shot. It didn't work out our way, and we moved on as a franchise."

The Mavs moved on by signing several free agents, a crop headlined by guards Jose Calderon (four years, $29 million) and Monta Ellis (three years, $25 million). The Mavs, who acknowledged that they were trying to sell Howard on a two-year rebuilding plan, would not have been able to afford either player if they had signed Howard to a max contract unless they made other major roster moves.

Pleased with Plan B -- and it's actually Plan D considering the Mavs' hopes to land Deron Williams or Chris Paul when the original decision was made to strip down the title roster -- Cuban insists he'll have no wonders about what could have been while watching Howard play against the Mavs.

"None. Not even a little bit, because I think we came out pretty good," Cuban said. "If we were stuck, then maybe. But like I say about every other team, I hope they suck.

"I say that every year. It's nothing personal. I still like Dwight as a person. But I still want the Rockets, like every other team, to have a horrible season. It's nothing personal. I just want them to suck."

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/9909058/mark-cuban-dallas-mavericks-owner-says-dwight-howard-made-wrong-decision
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« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2013, 09:50:00 PM »

Tonight.  Dwight Howard with 3 fouls and 2 turnovers in the 6 minutes that he played in the entire first half.  As a Laker fan he looks a lot like the guy we had last year.  Fuck you Dwight.
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« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2013, 10:02:13 AM »

In what is sure to be a long season for my Lakers, I appreciate the little things.   Smiley  Hack-a-Howard worked. 

Steve Blake, Lakers top Dwight Howard, Rockets with last-second shot
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HOUSTON -- Los Angeles coach Mike D'Antoni paid a lot of attention to former Lakers center Dwight Howard down the stretch.

He needed to get the ball out of the hands of Houston Rockets guard James Harden and figured the best way to do that was with the "Hack-a-Howard" defense.

The strategy worked perfectly, with Howard missing seven late free throws to allow the Lakers to keep it close before Steve Blake hit a wide-open 3-pointer with 1.3 seconds remaining to lift them to a 99-98 victory Thursday night.

"I think it went real well because we took Harden out of the game," D'Antoni said.

Howard spurned the Lakers to sign an $88 million deal with Houston, joining Harden and a team that made the playoffs last season for the first time since 2009.

A somber Howard called his free throw shooting "terrible" but wouldn't concede that this loss was more difficult because it was against his former team.

"Every loss hurts," said Howard, who had 15 points and 14 rebounds. "Nobody likes to lose. It's very upsetting that we lost the way we did."

D'Antoni's decision to foul Howard was surprising because last season he said the hack-a-whoever defense was bad for the game.

"That doesn't mean you're not going to use it, if it's out there," he said. "I'm not crazy."

Houston led by two points before Blake took the inbounds pass from Jodie Meeks and made the game-winning shot.

The Rockets were disappointed they let Blake get free for the winning basket.

"Guys just kind of messed up on the play," Howard said. "It happens."

The Rockets had a chance to win it, but Patrick Beverley's 3-point attempt at the buzzer bounced off the backboard.

"I was in a rhythm, and then they started fouling Dwight," said Harden, who scored 35 points. "It kind of slows us down. It slows our pace down and what we like to do. Good coaching."

The Rockets took their first lead since the first quarter on a dunk by Chandler Parsons following a steal by Harden that made it 93-91 with about four minutes left. Parsons left his arms outstretched as he came down from the dunk to wild applause from the home crowd. Harden had tied it up about a minute earlier on a 3-pointer.

The Lakers started fouling Howard every time he touched the ball after that, sending him to the line 12 times, but he made just five.

Meeks, who led the Lakers with 18 points, made a 3-pointer with less than two minutes remaining to cut the lead to two.

The Lakers struggled all last season amid reports that Howard and Kobe Bryant didn't get along, and were swept in the first round of the playoffs. Los Angeles could have offered Howard a five-year contract worth $118 million, but he chose to make the move to Houston with a four-year deal.

"He made his choice, which is good," D'Antoni said of Howard. "You've got to respect that. He's fine, and they're going to have a great team. You're just happy for everybody because we won."

The Lakers extended their lead to 14 points on a jump shot by Chris Kaman with about eight minutes left in the third quarter. Houston finally got its offense going after that, going on a 15-3 run to get within 74-72 with three minutes left in the quarter.

A highlight in that span came when Howard bobbled a bad pass from Harden before getting a handle on it and spinning around to finish with a dunk. The Rockets got eight points from Jeremy Lin during that run, and the Lakers had three turnovers.

Wesley Johnson made a 3-pointer to cool off the Rockets, but a 3-pointer by Harden just near the end of the quarter cut the lead to 81-77.

Houston shot just less than 35 percent and made just two of 13 3-point attempts in the first half. But the Rockets stayed in the game by making 18 of 27 free throws -- 25 in the second quarter alone -- before halftime. The Lakers didn't share in Houston's long-range shooting woes in the first half, hitting 11 of 14 3-point attempts.

The Lakers led by 17 points early in the second quarter before Houston used a 13-5 spurt capped by seven points from Harden to cut the lead to 45-36 about 7 1/2 minutes before halftime.

Harden's seven points came in just 35 seconds. He made the second of two free throws before hitting a 3-pointer seconds later. Howard got a rebound on the other end, and Harden made a layup. He was fouled on the shot and made the free throw.

Harden made five more free throws in the last 1:19 of the first half, but 3-pointers by Steve Nash and Meeks extended the Lakers' lead to 64-50 at halftime.

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« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2013, 11:42:15 AM »

the lakers are a sinking ship, howard wants to win and he'll have a better shot of that in houston

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« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2013, 12:19:33 PM »

Blake is a little turd.
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« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2013, 08:22:42 PM »

I was at the lakers vs. rockets game and howard wasnt the only one who had a chance to put it away and didnt.

He definitely choked on the free throws though.
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« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2013, 12:47:58 PM »

Never thought I'd see anyone shoot FTs worse than Shaq.
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« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2013, 11:04:12 AM »

Howard is a pussiii.

Who the fuck runs away from hack?

Be a man, say "come hack me bytch! imma knock down the free throw and seal ur fate u bytch."

instead ,he runs around with a grin on his face like a pussssssy avoiding the hack.

I just wanna slap the grin off his face.
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« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2013, 11:51:44 AM »

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Vince Carter on Dwight Howard: He is ‘the biggest crybaby I know’
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Dallas Mavericks forward Vince Carter has had enough of Houston Rockets center Dwight Howard complaining to the officials.

In fact, he let Howard know about it during the second quarter of the Mavericks’ 123-120 victory over the Rockets last night.

According to ESPN.com, Carter interrupted Howard’s discussion with an official and repeatedly told Howard that he was “the biggest crybaby I know.”

“All the time,” Carter said of Howard’s whining to officials. “He always talks about how I’m a crybaby. I was like, ‘Yo, you’re the biggest crybaby I know.’ And then later, he’s like, ‘Yo, why’d you say that to me?’ But I know Dwight. It’s all good, but he is [a crybaby].”
DOLLINGER: From bad to ugly: Knicks, Nets nearing bottom

Carter, who scored nine points, had five rebounds and five assists in the victory, still maintained they were friends.

“I mean, he takes a lot of punishment, but I’m like, ‘Yo, c’mon Dwight, c’mon. You elbowed, you’re sitting in the paint the entire time. What are you whining about?’ He told me to stop crying. I was like, ‘What? Are you serious?’”

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Vince Carter on Dwight Howard: He is ‘the biggest crybaby I know’
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BY SCOOBY AXSON

Dallas Mavericks forward Vince Carter has had enough of Houston Rockets center Dwight Howard complaining to the officials.

In fact, he let Howard know about it during the second quarter of the Mavericks’ 123-120 victory over the Rockets last night.

According to ESPN.com, Carter interrupted Howard’s discussion with an official and repeatedly told Howard that he was “the biggest crybaby I know.”

“All the time,” Carter said of Howard’s whining to officials. “He always talks about how I’m a crybaby. I was like, ‘Yo, you’re the biggest crybaby I know.’ And then later, he’s like, ‘Yo, why’d you say that to me?’ But I know Dwight. It’s all good, but he is [a crybaby].”
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Carter, who scored nine points, had five rebounds and five assists in the victory, still maintained they were friends.

“I mean, he takes a lot of punishment, but I’m like, ‘Yo, c’mon Dwight, c’mon. You elbowed, you’re sitting in the paint the entire time. What are you whining about?’ He told me to stop crying. I was like, ‘What? Are you serious?’”

http://tracking.si.com/2013/11/21/mavericks-vince-carter-rips-dwight-howard/

I though I was a NBA nut, I didn't realise Vince carter was still playing, I had to double check it on google incase it was some dude with the same name, good for him, he was a great dunker, cant believe he is still around though. GH works
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« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2013, 10:13:15 AM »

I though I was a NBA nut, I didn't realise Vince carter was still playing, I had to double check it on google incase it was some dude with the same name, good for him, he was a great dunker, cant believe he is still around though. GH works

Still playing.  Role player for the Mavs.  Not a bad bench player.
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« Reply #23 on: November 22, 2013, 07:53:02 PM »

Blight Howard and Wince Carter. 
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« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2013, 11:39:58 PM »

Still playing.  Role player for the Mavs.  Not a bad bench player.

Is he same age as kobe?
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