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Mr.1derful

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Re: Fuck'n Hell America really is the bad guys
« Reply #75 on: August 31, 2013, 02:59:35 AM »

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Re: Fuck'n Hell America really is the bad guys
« Reply #76 on: August 31, 2013, 03:04:38 AM »
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Re: Fuck'n Hell America really is the bad guys
« Reply #77 on: August 31, 2013, 03:21:21 AM »
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Re: Fuck'n Hell America really is the bad guys
« Reply #78 on: August 31, 2013, 03:27:49 AM »
what is the Afghanistan involvement all about/ for?

because Afghanistan is neighbor to Pakistan who is a nuclear arms power. Afghanistan has faild to control domestic talibans and other extremist muslims groups. This is a bad situation.

it's not fair that the US has to do it for them but, there is no alternative and everything would get worse down the road if you let it go out of control.

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Re: Fuck'n Hell America really is the bad guys
« Reply #79 on: August 31, 2013, 03:49:58 AM »

do you realy believe that?
do you know how many people have been killed on that reasoning ?



1. yes it's officially why America is involved in Afghanistan and also what I think is most likely that they are telling the truth about

2. no I don't know the collateral in the middle east for the last 10 years, but I'm sure it's in the millions by now.

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Re: Fuck'n Hell America really is the bad guys
« Reply #80 on: August 31, 2013, 04:05:29 AM »
because Afghanistan is neighbor to Pakistan who is a nuclear arms power. Afghanistan has faild to control domestic talibans and other extremist muslims groups. This is a bad situation.

it's not fair that the US has to do it for them but, there is no alternative and everything would get worse down the road if you let it go out of control.

You do realize America created the Taliban?

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Re: Fuck'n Hell America really is the bad guys
« Reply #81 on: August 31, 2013, 04:46:48 AM »
You do realize America created the Taliban?

WHAT?????

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Re: Fuck'n Hell America really is the bad guys
« Reply #82 on: August 31, 2013, 05:10:55 AM »
You do realize America created the Taliban?

LOL most don't know the year their country became independent.
Do you really think they have bothered to study history enough to know these kind of things  :D

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Re: Fuck'n Hell America really is the bad guys
« Reply #83 on: August 31, 2013, 08:00:21 AM »
This is the justification / propaganda commonly put out.  It's been said that Japan was trying to make contact to surrender, but the bombs were dropped anyway, as it was determined that they (U.S), needed to see the real world effects of the atomic bomb, which is why those cities were specifically selected.  Regardless, it was wrong, period. People forget that it was a civilian population that got bombed.   People would not condone it if it were their civilian population to get vaporized, but when it's another countries, it's ok.  Nationalism and patriotism makes a populace indifferent towards other cultures, which makes atrocities committed against those populations more palatable.  

It's ironic that history in many respects just keeps repeating itself, but people fail to see through the false veneer of righteousness that gets peddled, depending on who the perpetrators are.  Hitler and the Nazis are considered tyrants for invading Europe decades ago, but when the U.S invades countries and destroys them, as in the case of Iraq and Libya, it's about freedom and democracy.  It's incredulous that there is a large percentage of people out there that buy into such grade school level propaganda, but it doesn't help when the corporate media sells it so hard.  

agreed 100% Another fine example is the relentless bombing of German and Japanese cities, killing numerous civilians.

So the US will attack Syria and what are the goals....

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Re: Fuck'n Hell America really is the bad guys
« Reply #84 on: August 31, 2013, 08:01:52 AM »
Little known war fact - in the fight between Germany and Britain, it was Britain who initiated the bombing of civilian cities in WWII.  Germany had refrained from bombing British cities until Britain started it.  

The British also invented the concentration camps to 'lock up' the 'Boers' in the South African war. Unfortunately this inspired the Nazi who perfected this.

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Re: Fuck'n Hell America really is the bad guys
« Reply #85 on: August 31, 2013, 01:44:37 PM »
agreed 100% Another fine example is the relentless bombing of German and Japanese cities, killing numerous civilians.

So the US will attack Syria and what are the goals....

1.  Regime change in Syria.

2. Removal of a key ally of Iran, making Iran more vulnerable.

3.  Further destabilization of the Middle East. 

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Re: Fuck'n Hell America really is the bad guys
« Reply #86 on: August 31, 2013, 01:56:19 PM »
you mean that you didnt know that resident Regan met a delegation of the Afgani  Mujahadeen in the white house?
 
Perhaps the ex telephone number will provide the relvant photograph

So what?   It is such a childish view to think allegiances never change. Not saying anything about the Syrian situation but I just always find these comments regarding who were once allies or enemies.  Its all relative and fluid. 

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Re: Fuck'n Hell America really is the bad guys
« Reply #87 on: August 31, 2013, 01:59:35 PM »
You do realize America created the Taliban?

Yes, I know CIA radicalized the Muslims in 80's to fight against the Soviet invasion, especially of Afghanistan back then. So why does that matter to the task at hand now?

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Re: Fuck'n Hell America really is the bad guys
« Reply #88 on: August 31, 2013, 02:00:53 PM »
Yes, I know CIA radicalized the Muslims in 80's to fight against the Soviet invasion, especially of Afghanistan back then. So why does that matter to the task at hand now?


Dont bother.  These people view foreign affairs thru a view of an 8th grader. 

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Re: Fuck'n Hell America really is the bad guys
« Reply #89 on: August 31, 2013, 02:14:30 PM »
  Its all relative and fluid. 

so why wrap it up in moral certitude?
One of the weakness of the US empire is its inability to admit the empire. The non awareness or non admission makes its relative decline all the harder for it to understand.
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Re: Fuck'n Hell America really is the bad guys
« Reply #90 on: August 31, 2013, 04:20:27 PM »
so why wrap it up in moral certitude?
One of the weakness of the US empire is its inability to admit the empire. The non awareness or non admission makes its relative decline all the harder for it to understand.

Uh.  Where do you see me doing anything of the sort?

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Re: Fuck'n Hell America really is the bad guys
« Reply #91 on: August 31, 2013, 04:44:19 PM »
Uh.  Where do you see me doing anything of the sort?

ok
you are excused, now don't do it again
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Re: Fuck'n Hell America really is the bad guys
« Reply #92 on: August 31, 2013, 08:03:36 PM »
This is the justification / propaganda commonly put out.  It's been said that Japan was trying to make contact to surrender, but the bombs were dropped anyway, as it was determined that they (U.S), needed to see the real world effects of the atomic bomb, which is why those cities were specifically selected.  Regardless, it was wrong, period. People forget that it was a civilian population that got bombed.   People would not condone it if it were their civilian population to get vaporized, but when it's another countries, it's ok.  Nationalism and patriotism makes a populace indifferent towards other cultures, which makes atrocities committed against those populations more palatable.  

It's ironic that history in many respects just keeps repeating itself, but people fail to see through the false veneer of righteousness that gets peddled, depending on who the perpetrators are.  Hitler and the Nazis are considered tyrants for invading Europe decades ago, but when the U.S invades countries and destroys them, as in the case of Iraq and Libya, it's about freedom and democracy.  It's incredulous that there is a large percentage of people out there that buy into such grade school level propaganda, but it doesn't help when the corporate media sells it so hard.  

You mean "incredible" instead of "incredulous" but I take your meaning.  I'm no apologist for the USA at all but am wondering what course of action you think the USA should have taken instead of using atomic weapons on Japan in WW2.  I'm no expert but from what I gleaned from watching the documentary, I don't think there were any more purely military targets, were there?;  After years of long and bloody battles the Japanese, who hadn't lost a war since modernizing their armed forces in the 1890's but had grossly underestimated the fighting will and economic might of the USA before deciding to attack the US at Pearl Harbor, had fought ferociously and only grudgingly (at great loss of life by them and the Allies) given up all the islands around Japan.  During the fighting they were guilty of their own atrocities including the "Rape of Nanking", the Bataan Death March, and the internment of western civilians (particularly from the Philippines) right alongside captured soldiers in Japanese prison camps.  Many, many of the civilian prisoners died due to starvation in these camps and the documentary clearly shows the emaciated condition of the prisoners that survived until Japan surrendered.  It may be propaganda that the Japanese would not have surrendered without having a couple of cities wiped out by the atomic bomb, but I think the argument that they'd not have surrendered without a lot more fighting holds some weight when you consider that they used freakin' Kamikaze pilots.  If you have links that support your contention that such reasoning is BS, I will be happy to check them out.

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Re: Fuck'n Hell America really is the bad guys
« Reply #93 on: August 31, 2013, 08:04:33 PM »
I bet a lot of you pro war fools would cry like bitches if you got nuked and watched your families slowly die, get raped, etc etc

I'm not pro-war but I would cry like a bitch for sure.

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Re: Fuck'n Hell America really is the bad guys
« Reply #94 on: August 31, 2013, 08:06:36 PM »
agreed 100% Another fine example is the relentless bombing of German and Japanese cities, killing numerous civilians.

So the US will attack Syria and what are the goals....

Errr, how many civilians did the Germans kill?

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Re: Fuck'n Hell America really is the bad guys
« Reply #95 on: August 31, 2013, 08:55:36 PM »
Yes, I know CIA radicalized the Muslims in 80's to fight against the Soviet invasion, especially of Afghanistan back then. So why does that matter to the task at hand now?


It matters in relation to your  - "the USA are the only ones willing to deal with them - it's not fair" comments.

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Re: Fuck'n Hell America really is the bad guys
« Reply #96 on: August 31, 2013, 08:56:15 PM »
Japenise surrendered before the bombs were droped

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Re: Fuck'n Hell America really is the bad guys
« Reply #97 on: August 31, 2013, 08:58:52 PM »
Errr, how many civilians did the Germans kill?
Not to mention the plans of the Germans to invade the United States either from the Coast of North Carolina (which they did make it to and where several of their ships were sunk) or through their proposed invasion through Mexico.  



http://nchumanities.org/programs/road-scholars/north-carolina%E2%80%99s-u-boats-%E2%80%93-u-85-u-701-u-352

Hitler declared war on the United States on Dec. 11, 1941 – four days after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.  German U-boats soon began crossing the Atlantic and sinking American shipping along the North Carolina coast.  Some of these attacks were within sight of coastal residents. By August of that year three of these boats – U-85, U-701 and U-352 were also sunk within 20 miles of the North Carolina mainland. This PowerPoint presentation recounts a brief history of these boats, what remains of them today, and a detailed account of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s research expedition to them during the summer of 2008.  During the expedition researchers surveyed and photographed the visible sections of the three submarines as well as studying the marine life found at the sites. The information collected during this expedition will be developed as part of a long range plan to preserve these historic sites.

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Re: Fuck'n Hell America really is the bad guys
« Reply #98 on: August 31, 2013, 10:06:45 PM »
Japenise surrendered before the bombs were droped

Wikipedia says otherwise: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrender_of_Japan

The surrender of the Empire of Japan on September 2, 1945, brought the hostilities of World War II to a close. By the end of July 1945, the Imperial Japanese Navy was incapable of conducting operations and an Allied invasion of Japan was imminent. While publicly stating their intent to fight on to the bitter end, Japan's leaders, (the Supreme Council for the Direction of the War, also known as the "Big Six"), were privately making entreaties to the neutral Soviet Union to mediate peace on terms favorable to the Japanese. Meanwhile, the Soviets were preparing to attack the Japanese, in fulfillment of their promises to the United States and the United Kingdom made at the Tehran and Yalta Conferences.

On August 6, 1945, the United States dropped an atomic bomb on the city of Hiroshima. Late in the evening of August 8, 1945, in accordance with the Yalta agreements, but in violation of the Soviet–Japanese Neutrality Pact, the Soviet Union declared war on Japan, and soon after midnight on August 9, 1945, the Soviet Union invaded the Imperial Japanese puppet state of Manchukuo. Later that same day, the United States dropped a second atomic bomb, this time on the city of Nagasaki. The combined shock of these events caused Emperor Hirohito to intervene and order the Big Six to accept the terms for ending the war that the Allies had set down in the Potsdam Declaration. After several more days of behind-the-scenes negotiations and a failed coup d'état, Emperor Hirohito gave a recorded radio address across the Empire on August 15. In the radio address, called the Gyokuon-hōsō ("Jewel Voice Broadcast"), he announced the surrender of Japan to the Allies.


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Re: Fuck'n Hell America really is the bad guys
« Reply #99 on: August 31, 2013, 10:16:32 PM »
Us Canadians are not bad guys plus we have the good beer  :D