Why the Health Care Law Scares the G.O.P.

[dario73]

I wouldn't go 50% into a hot dog stand with you. Your business acumen leaves a lot to be desired.

 

[bears]

Bears I got this feeling your a liar.

YOU'RE TURNING INTO A SERIOUS FUCKING IDIOT ON THIS BOARD.  for real. 

here's what i'm doing right now with my employees in real life.  im paying the blue cross blue shield for 2014.  i'm not (and you would know this if you ran a business in the real world and didn't get all of your information through yahoo articles) going to just hop on a bronze plan because its cheaper not knowing exactly how my employees health care is going to change. 

if you had to deal with employees and their health care in real life you wouldn't be absolutely sure what to do yet either.  are they going to have to change doctors?  are they going to have to change networks?  are they going to get the same reimbursement on their prescription meds that they have been getting.

these are all questions that people who have to deal with this stuff in real life have to have answered before they switch their employee's health care plans.  we can't just take your word for it because we read it on get big.  to be honest i'm the first to admit that i haven't yet performed my due diligence on this yet.  every colleague that i've spoken to who is facing the same  siutation has told me to wait and see if these plans on the exchange wil be comparable to what i'm giving my employees currently.

again, you're a fan of Obama and will defned him to the death.  i'm trying to run a business. 

[Dos Equis]

YOU'RE TURNING INTO A SERIOUS FUCKING IDIOT ON THIS BOARD.  for real. 

here's what i'm doing right now with my employees in real life.  im paying the blue cross blue shield for 2014.  i'm not (and you would know this if you ran a business in the real world and didn't get all of your information through yahoo articles) going to just hop on a bronze plan because its cheaper not knowing exactly how my employees health care is going to change. 

if you had to deal with employees and their health care in real life you wouldn't be absolutely sure what to do yet either.  are they going to have to change doctors?  are they going to have to change networks?  are they going to get the same reimbursement on their prescription meds that they have been getting.

these are all questions that people who have to deal with this stuff in real life have to have answered before they switch their employee's health care plans.  we can't just take your word for it because we read it on get big.  to be honest i'm the first to admit that i haven't yet performed my due diligence on this yet.  every colleague that i've spoken to who is facing the same  siutation has told me to wait and see if these plans on the exchange wil be comparable to what i'm giving my employees currently.

again, you're a fan of Obama and will defned him to the death.  i'm trying to run a business. 

It's pretty obvious that you run a business.  Good luck trying to reason with someone who lives in a socialist country that takes half or more of what he earns.  He has no concept of what it means to operate in the private sector.   

[SOMEPARTS]

Please tell me I didn't read 4 pages of this to find out Necrosis isn't even American. Haha. Geesh.

[Necrosis]

YOU'RE TURNING INTO A SERIOUS FUCKING IDIOT ON THIS BOARD.  for real. 

here's what i'm doing right now with my employees in real life.  im paying the blue cross blue shield for 2014.  i'm not (and you would know this if you ran a business in the real world and didn't get all of your information through yahoo articles) going to just hop on a bronze plan because its cheaper not knowing exactly how my employees health care is going to change. 

"Ok, do some fucking reading,I have a clinic aka small business by the way, what you are suggesting makes no sense.
if you had to deal with employees and their health care in real life you wouldn't be absolutely sure what to do yet either.  are they going to have to change doctors?  are they going to have to change networks?  are they going to get the same reimbursement on their prescription meds that they have been getting.

Of course they will, do some fucking reading, you should not have to change doctors

these are all questions that people who have to deal with this stuff in real life have to have answered before they switch their employee's health care plans.  we can't just take your word for it because we read it on get big.  to be honest i'm the first to admit that i haven't yet performed my due diligence on this yet.  every colleague that i've spoken to who is facing the same  siutation has told me to wait and see if these plans on the exchange wil be comparable to what i'm giving my employees currently.

Im an idiot but you haven't done your due diligence? LMAO... and you own a business? For fuck sakes this explains it all, here you are going on about how much everything is going to cost, how you are paying out more in another thread and come to find out you are speaking out of your ass. If you think I becoming and idiot, it's probably because I don't buy your bullshit. I like how you appeal to emotion and authority also, I have a business, I this I that, you can't understand, maybe If you had a business etc. The facts are out there, there is no need to continuing speaking to you, go read about the law.

again, you're a fan of Obama and will defned him to the death.  i'm trying to run a business. 

[SOMEPARTS]

To be fair to Bears...

I also have a small business and employees also through Anthem Blue Cross - and they didn't really have much ACA info to be diligent about - until the last couple weeks.

[dario73]

This idiots from abroad want to see this happen because they want us to be in the same miserable existence that they are in.

They will proclaim they are doing great. But them stating has never made it true.

It is the USA and everyone else is a far second. It has been like that for a long time. Now, they have their best chance with an idiot in the office who thinks exactly like them. They want to see more crap legislation like this  in order to gradually have the USA take a step back the third world and eventually fall into oblivion.

Don't be fooled by the stupid canadians.

[bears]

It's pretty obvious that you run a business.  Good luck trying to reason with someone who lives in a socialist country that takes half or more of what he earns.  He has no concept of what it means to operate in the private sector.   

the funny part is he doesn't think things like this take more than 5 minutes of thought.  thats how young, inexperienced asshats like him think.  

he doesn't have to face an employee and tell him or her that

"i am changing your health care and you can't go see your regular doctor anymore".  

or

"i am putting you on the bronze plan and nothing changes except oh yeah your prescription med that you get 90% reimbursement for, yeah you're only going to get 50% reimbursement for now."  

what his little mind doesn't comprehend that based on a persons medical history and their prescritions, that "small" change in someone's health care can bankrupt them.  

my wife for example, her mom has MS.  she gets a shot that costs $20,000 a month for her to get.  under her current plan she is 100% covered.  it costs her nothing.  an employer like Necrosis could ruin her life in a matter of a few clicks of a keyboard.  this is what he doesn't understand.  these plans and their changes must be handled with extreme care.

[Necrosis]

It's pretty obvious that you run a business.  Good luck trying to reason with someone who lives in a socialist country that takes half or more of what he earns.  He has no concept of what it means to operate in the private sector.   

I run a small business, what part about my profession don't you understand? I have staff, I have integrative people in my clinic, ie counselling, nutritionist for metabolic disorders etc.

Also, bears is a liar, in this thread he admits he hasn't looked at nor knows the specifics of this ACA, nor does he know how it will effect him in any capacity. Stated in this very thread. Meanwhile, I have what's called retard memory, I recall him stating specifics in a manner that would be considered partisan.

"yeah nothing did change......except my monthly premium.  it's going to increase by 46% in 2014.  my "cheaper option" now.  is that going to be an insurance policy thats just as good as the one i have now?   and it will be cheaper?  i don't have those answers yet.  and neither do you. 

i don't care what your little website says.  it's obviously misleading.  they explicity say in their Q&A, "If you already have health insurance through your job, Medicare, or Medicaid nothing about that will change."  they were right.  nothing will change.  EXCEPT MY PREMIUMS ARE GOING THROUGH THE ROOF.  they don't think that the monthly premium you're going to have to pay is a relevant part of your health insurance?  to me that's THE most important part."

[Dos Equis]

the funny part is he doesn't think things like this take more than 5 minutes of thought.  thats how young, inexperienced asshats like him think.  

he doesn't have to face an employee and tell him or her that

"i am changing your health care and you can't go see your regular doctor anymore".  

or

"i am putting you on the bronze plan and nothing changes except oh yeah your prescription med that you get 90% reimbursement for, yeah you're only going to get 50% reimbursement for now."  

what his little mind doesn't comprehend that based on a persons medical history and their prescritions, that "small" change in someone's health care can bankrupt them.  

my wife for example, her mom has MS.  she gets a shot that costs $20,000 a month for her to get.  under her current plan she is 100% covered.  it costs her nothing.  an employer like Necrosis could ruin her life in a matter of a few clicks of a keyboard.  this is what he doesn't understand.  these plans and their changes must be handled with extreme care.

Completely agree.  We're trying to figure how it affects our employees too.  It's very complicated.  

You're not going to educate someone like Necrosis.  He claims to be superior to people on the board.  lol

[JOHN MATRIX]

This idiots from abroad want to see this happen because they want us to be in the same miserable existence that they are in.

They will proclaim they are doing great. But them stating has never made it true.

It is the USA and everyone else is a far second. It has been like that for a long time. Now, they have their best chance with an idiot in the office who thinks exactly like them. They want to see more crap legislation like this  in order to gradually have the USA take a step back the third world and eventually fall into oblivion.

Don't be fooled by the stupid canadians.

EXACTLY

[Dos Equis]

I run a small business, what part about my profession don't you understand? I have staff, I have integrative people in my clinic, ie counselling, nutritionist for metabolic disorders etc.

Also, bears is a liar, in this thread he admits he hasn't looked at nor knows the specifics of this ACA, nor does he know how it will effect him in any capacity. Stated in this very thread. Meanwhile, I have what's called retard memory, I recall him stating specifics in a manner that would be considered partisan.

"yeah nothing did change......except my monthly premium.  it's going to increase by 46% in 2014.  my "cheaper option" now.  is that going to be an insurance policy thats just as good as the one i have now?   and it will be cheaper?  i don't have those answers yet.  and neither do you. 

i don't care what your little website says.  it's obviously misleading.  they explicity say in their Q&A, "If you already have health insurance through your job, Medicare, or Medicaid nothing about that will change."  they were right.  nothing will change.  EXCEPT MY PREMIUMS ARE GOING THROUGH THE ROOF.  they don't think that the monthly premium you're going to have to pay is a relevant part of your health insurance?  to me that's THE most important part."

Oh I call BS.  It would surprise me if you ran a small business.  It would surprise me if you ran a successful small business.  If I'm wrong, it's probably because your government controls most of what you do and takes most of what you earn, so you don't have to deal with the same issues that Americans face in a democratic environment.  You certainly don't sound like someone who knows how business operates.  At least outside of a socialist country.    

Bears is not a liar.    He's one of the smartest posters on the board.  Not a hack.  Not a partisan.  

[bears]

I run a small business, what part about my profession don't you understand? I have staff, I have integrative people in my clinic, ie counselling, nutritionist for metabolic disorders etc.

Also, bears is a liar, in this thread he admits he hasn't looked at nor knows the specifics of this ACA, nor does he know how it will effect him in any capacity. Stated in this very thread. Meanwhile, I have what's called retard memory, I recall him stating specifics in a manner that would be considered partisan.

"yeah nothing did change......except my monthly premium.  it's going to increase by 46% in 2014.  my "cheaper option" now.  is that going to be an insurance policy thats just as good as the one i have now?   and it will be cheaper?  i don't have those answers yet.  and neither do you. 

i don't care what your little website says.  it's obviously misleading.  they explicity say in their Q&A, "If you already have health insurance through your job, Medicare, or Medicaid nothing about that will change."  they were right.  nothing will change.  EXCEPT MY PREMIUMS ARE GOING THROUGH THE ROOF.  they don't think that the monthly premium you're going to have to pay is a relevant part of your health insurance?  to me that's THE most important part."

yes the mandates forced upon private health care by the Obama administration has forced them to raise my premiums by 46%. THATS ALL I KNOW SO FAR.  i don't know if i can get my employees comparable health care for cheaper.  i plan on  paying the 2014 rates until i know i can get a comparable plan off of the exchange for less money.  

what about this don't you understand?  and you're knocking me for not changing up my entire health plan over the last 2 weeks?  you're a fucking idiot.  i'm sorry but you're getting destroyed on here.  and not because of anything i'm saying.........

[JOHN MATRIX]

I run a small business, what part about my profession don't you understand? I have staff, I have integrative people in my clinic, ie counselling, nutritionist for metabolic disorders etc.

Also, bears is a liar, in this thread he admits he hasn't looked at nor knows the specifics of this ACA, nor does he know how it will effect him in any capacity. Stated in this very thread. Meanwhile, I have what's called retard memory, I recall him stating specifics in a manner that would be considered partisan.
"yeah nothing did change......except my monthly premium.  it's going to increase by 46% in 2014.  my "cheaper option" now.  is that going to be an insurance policy thats just as good as the one i have now?   and it will be cheaper?  i don't have those answers yet.  and neither do you. 

i don't care what your little website says.  it's obviously misleading.  they explicity say in their Q&A, "If you already have health insurance through your job, Medicare, or Medicaid nothing about that will change."  they were right.  nothing will change.  EXCEPT MY PREMIUMS ARE GOING THROUGH THE ROOF.  they don't think that the monthly premium you're going to have to pay is a relevant part of your health insurance?  to me that's THE most important part."

Bahahha, you claim to be a doctor and run a clinic yet you are somehow posting all day on a bodybuilding website

[Necrosis]

the funny part is he doesn't think things like this take more than 5 minutes of thought.  thats how young, inexperienced asshats like him think.  

he doesn't have to face an employee and tell him or her that

"i am changing your health care and you can't go see your regular doctor anymore".  

or

"i am putting you on the bronze plan and nothing changes except oh yeah your prescription med that you get 90% reimbursement for, yeah you're only going to get 50% reimbursement for now."  

what his little mind doesn't comprehend that based on a persons medical history and their prescritions, that "small" change in someone's health care can bankrupt them.  

my wife for example, her mom has MS.  she gets a shot that costs $20,000 a month for her to get.  under her current plan she is 100% covered.  it costs her nothing.  an employer like Necrosis could ruin her life in a matter of a few clicks of a keyboard.  this is what he doesn't understand.  these plans and their changes must be handled with extreme care.

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Nice facts

My mom has ALS and gets a fecal transplant EOD, PO, BID. it costs her nothing,could it change? I don't know I haven't read anything on the law and am making up scenarios that are pure conjecture.

Some of the scenarios you present aren't even fucking possible moron. Read about the law, you will be less mystified and in awe about it's complexity, stating no one can know the outcome in any manner. It's beyond our comprehension like evolution (why are there no half human half fishes?, ben stein?) and magnets. I didn't say handle them without care, nice strawman

Also,for someone who apparently is aware of these massive impacts, in fact, life changing circumstances, you couldn't even read the law before it was implemented? when it clearly effects you as a small business owner? You are now going to perform due diligence? You want help running your business because you sound mighty inefficient.

[Necrosis]

Oh I call BS.  It would surprise me if you ran a small business.  It would surprise me if you ran a successful small business.  If I'm wrong, it's probably because your government controls most of what you do and takes most of what you earn, so you don't have to deal with the same issues that Americans face in a democratic environment.  You certainly don't sound like someone who knows how business operates.  At least outside of a socialist country.    

Bears is not a liar.    He's one of the smartest posters on the board.  Not a hack.  Not a partisan.  

HAAHAH.. that must be it.

He is so smart dude I cower in fear of his immense intellect.

[Necrosis]

yes the mandates forced upon private health care by the Obama administration has forced them to raise my premiums by 46%. THATS ALL I KNOW SO FAR.  i don't know if i can get my employees comparable health care for cheaper.  i plan on  paying the 2014 rates until i know i can get a comparable plan off of the exchange for less money.  

what about this don't you understand?  and you're knocking me for not changing up my entire health plan over the last 2 weeks?  you're a fucking idiot.  i'm sorry but you're getting destroyed on here.  and not because of anything i'm saying.........

Sure I'm getting destroyed, you claim to have not done your due diligence then make a statement like the above.

I am being obliterated by your lies and appeals to emotion on here.

You didn't even bother coming back to the child rapist thread. You posted, you're an idiot (my first interaction with you) then.. oh I didn't know you had a video ...... you're still an idiot.

You are living up to your reputation as one of the smarter posters on this board. I didn't say you should have changed your plan, another strawman, I stated it would seem pertinent as a small business owner to at least at very fucking minimum to read a law and it's details, which are readily available, as they may impact you, greatly as you so kindly elucidated with the vivid examples of death and loss of medications and life ruin.



Notice how you assholes are attacking my character and not my words? your not a doctor, you can't run a small business etc. Then you say I am becoming an asshole? lol, my first interaction with you was you insulting me. Don't get upset when my semi-trolling posts upset you and tug on your little heart strings pussy, welcome to getbig.

[Necrosis]

yes the mandates forced upon private health care by the Obama administration has forced them to raise my premiums by 46%. THATS ALL I KNOW SO FAR.  i don't know if i can get my employees comparable health care for cheaper.  i plan on  paying the 2014 rates until i know i can get a comparable plan off of the exchange for less money.  

what about this don't you understand?  and you're knocking me for not changing up my entire health plan over the last 2 weeks?  you're a fucking idiot.  i'm sorry but you're getting destroyed on here.  and not because of anything i'm saying.........

The mandates should lessen premiums as more people sign up, which is caused by the offset revenue created by share numbers of plans. In theory it should occur, similar models even Romney care (much smaller scale) indicate it should.

Now, if the GOP gets it's way, individual exemptions will being happening, which will sink the ship. The numbers game will end, insurances will have to keep premiums high to offset the exemptions. This is what the GOP are counting on, they are trying to make it fail. The have insisted on numerous poison pills during legislation.

[Dos Equis]

HAAHAH.. that must be it.

He is so smart dude I cower in fear of his immense intellect.

Good.  And I'm sure you don't realize this, but you're not as smart as you think you are.  Intelligent people typically don't have to tell people how smart they are and don't constantly call others stupid. 

I recommend you read Emotional Intelligence by Dan Goleman.  Great book.  You could learn a lot from it. 

[Necrosis]

Good.  And I'm sure you don't realize this, but you're not as smart as you think you are.  Intelligent people typically don't have to tell people how smart they are and don't constantly call others stupid. 

I recommend you read Emotional Intelligence by Dan Goleman.  Great book.  You could learn a lot from it. 

 Thanks for the advice. I was asked what I do, then attacked for being stupid, an idiot, couldn't be a doctor etc and you think my defense is propping myself up? I call things stupid when I see it, that's not an assertion of my intellect. I was told I don't pay taxes, was poor by coach and I stated my pay and I am being arrogant? Listen socially, I am temple grandin with a smaller dick.

I know how smart I am, If grades means intelligence (it doesn't), fact. Is that intelligence or memory, is a rote knowledge of a list of interleukins smart? I know someone with an iq int he 160's, his intellect is painfully obvious during our conversations, I fail to keep up. I pride myself on stating the truth regardless of the emotional consequence, ie good or bad, it just is.

The disconnect is that we are starting from totally different perspectives, I the details you the big picture.

[JOHN MATRIX]

Necrosis melting down big time

[Dos Equis]

 Thanks for the advice. I was asked what I do, then attacked for being stupid, an idiot, couldn't be a doctor etc and you think my defense is propping myself up? I call things stupid when I see it, that's not an assertion of my intellect. I was told I don't pay taxes, was poor by coach and I stated my pay and I am being arrogant? Listen socially, I am temple grandin with a smaller dick.

I know how smart I am, If grades means intelligence (it doesn't), fact. Is that intelligence or memory, is a rote knowledge of a list of interleukins smart? I know someone with an iq int he 160's, his intellect is painfully obvious during our conversations, I fail to keep up. I pride myself on stating the truth regardless of the emotional consequence, ie good or bad, it just is.

The disconnect is that we are starting from totally different perspectives, I the details you the big picture.

That’s not exactly how it happened.  You should go back and look at your post history on the board.  How many times have you called people stupid?  Quite a bit.  That is pretty arrogant.  Try going an entire day without insulting someone.  It’s not that hard.

I know smart people when I talk to them too, and it’s not always about IQ.  IQ is only part of what makes up overall intelligence.  Self-control, the ability to communicate, personal relationships, etc. are all part of intelligence.  That’s why I recommended the book.  I read it and learned a lot from it. 

I am all about the truth too, but no one will accept or listen to anything you say if your delivery sucks.  And by “you” I mean everyone.  That applies to all of us.     

[Necrosis]

That’s not exactly how it happened.  You should go back and look at your post history on the board.  How many times have you called people stupid?  Quite a bit.  That is pretty arrogant.  Try going an entire day without insulting someone.  It’s not that hard.

I know smart people when I talk to them too, and it’s not always about IQ.  IQ is only part of what makes up overall intelligence.  Self-control, the ability to communicate, personal relationships, etc. are all part of intelligence.  That’s why I recommended the book.  I read it and learned a lot from it. 

I am all about the truth too, but no one will accept or listen to anything you say if your delivery sucks.  And by “you” I mean everyone.  That applies to all of us.     

no problem stupid.

[Dos Equis]

Necrosis melting down big time

True.  He's trying too hard. 

[Dos Equis]

no problem stupid.

I'm sure you have a terrific bedside manner.  Your business must be bursting at the seams.  Too bad your government takes most of what you earn.