The structure of the Amazon affiliates rewards program is well understood. The structure of the affiliate rewards program at Karatbars, not so much. I asked you to explain how it differs from an MLM, you declined and deflected. I think that speaks volumes.
Yes, it said I had no intention of laying out the details of the affiliate program on the political board. Those who truly want to understand the affiliate rewards program are more than welcome to contact me to get the facts, or to attend a LIVE webcast to get the information first hand. Barring any technological glitches, our LIVE webinars take place daily at 12 noon EDT as well as 9PM EDT.
In a nutshell, MLMs pay people to sell a product or service for money. You have to spend money to make money.
Karatbars Affiliate referral rewards program pays people to save money. No spending, simply saving and getting paid to do so.
I'll try again:
When I call the phone number under your avatar whose phone rings?
Nobody's phone rings. It is a 24/7 hotline number for dispensing information.
When I buy Karatbars, do you get a percentage and/or commission?
That is a very vague, and misguided question. Akin to a stab in the dark, based on a pre-conceived notion. Mind you, I'm not saying it is not a logical conclusion to come to, it is, however, you lack sufficient information about Karatbars to ask more relevant questions
The Karatbars Affiliate Rewards Plan has 2 separate pay structures based upon "POINTS" & "UNITS".All Karatbars products carry both points & units
The Unilevel pay structure is FREE, and is based on points, which determine an affiliates RANK. Every 2 euro purchased on products = 1 point. Points add up in different ways to give you "RANK" overrides. It pays monthly. Points are accrued from the 11th - the 10th of the following month, tabulated on the 15th, and paid out on the 1st of each month. It pays monthly, and is considered the "GRAVY".
Our Dual System is a completely optional program within Karatbars, and is based on "UNITS" which determine 'cycles'
Cycles pay weekly, for cycles earned on the development of two teams.
This is the FRONT END Money for those serious about making money with Karatbars. It is the MEAT & POTATOES, and it pays weekly.
Now... Let me Explain UNITS...
UNITS are an "Intrinsic Shared Profit Margin" (ISPM) assigned to ANY product... "in the system"
Different products have different ISPM "UNITS", based on the cost to produce, other intrinsic & specific product properties... like regulations, locations... etc.,
These are profit margins for a healthy expanding company without debt... and allotted profit to be shared for rewarding marketing. Marketing is what we affiliates do. The company doesn't advertise on TV, newspapers, radio etc., Instead, funds that would otherwise be allotted to those activities are instead shared with affiliates.
ie: a 1 gram gold bar carries a 1 UNIT ISPM
*Gold anywhere has 80% cost & 20% profit if obtained from GDL source (LBMA*) big bars into little bars. A bottle of juice is 20% cost and 80% profit margin (but it isn't an asset is it?)
1 Bottle of Karatbars Champagne carries 4 UNITS ISPM. Moet makes the product. Karatbars doesn't have any manufacturing costs, therefore, Karatbars passes back a larger ISPM from a bottle of bubbly, than from a gram of gold.

That is why any other company trying to copycat what we do, will have the same challenge to deliver profit within the system... and deliver what Karatbars already does... without debt.
This give you a better idea of the system we have... We are GOLD as Money... in a developing system.
Which means.... we have the ability to carry and make available
ANY Premium Product added to the system... adding another company's products that turns a discount into POINTS and UNITS (ISPM) that create more profit in cash... and/or LEVERAGE an Affiliate's Ability to Acquire GOLD from the Karatbars System.
ISPM: 5 Grams of 24KT 999.9 pure Gold.
A) ONE 5 gram gold bar carries 3 UNITS
Produce one card... discount the price to buyer... 10 euros per gram... discount cuts ISPM
B) FIVE 1 Gram Karatbars carries 5 UNITS
More costs, as it is more labour intensive to produce 5 cards... Each ISPM is the same.
Every Friday morning cycles are converted to cash payments onto a Private issue Global Debit Mastercard (which was recently voted "Best Designed MasterCard of the Year" in Europe, because of it's unique features & capabilities)
This MasterCard can be used to make purchases and is accepted at millions of location worldwide. I can stick it in an ATM in Tokyo and get yen, or an ATM in London and get pounds. It is also linked to our gold accounts, and can be used to easily liquidate gold in our accounts, either by converting the gold to cash, or use it to make an electronic transaction in gold with a merchant or supplier who accepts gold in exchange for goods and/or services. They are the prettiest cards I have in my wallet, ...and they're my favourite because they're the only credit cards that don't send me a bill. Quite the opposite infact. Every 1st of the month, as well as every Friday morning, I wake up to find the card loaded with money. I LOVE IT!
When I introduce someone to Karatbars and they make a purchase do you get a percentage or commission if you introduced me?
Please see clarification above, but yes, points & units would accrue for everyone through ISPM
In your capacity as an account rep is your goal to make a sale or to help the person on the other end get the best possible deal?
Account Rep is not really a formal title we have at Karatbars, it is simply what I chose to refer to myself as in the beginning when we first got started, and were helping people open up their accounts. Our web platform has gotten far more user friendly over the years, ...and it's translation into English as well as multiple other languages has helped significantly. As far as formal titles within the Karatbars affiliate program, my status in the optional Dual System is "VIP" and my rank in the Unilevel is "GOLD". As to what I do... well, I do both. I share the Karatbars program with others, and I help them to get the best possible deal. Our program was designed for the thriftiest of gold buyers. Most often, those who are open minded enough to allow me to take them through the proper process of introduction, usually conclude that Karatbars is the best possible deal (for their particular situation). There have been a few to whom I've shown Karatbars, who have concluded that they would prefer to continue acquiring 400oz bars or acquire gold by buying a percentage of an actual gold mine itself, ...but they are just a few of my EXTREMELY high net worth friends, who are looking at GOLD as a speculate investment. When viewing what Karatbars has to offer, as GOLD as money, ...those who get it all agree it is simply brilliant! And a few have chosen to take advantage of acquiring the smaller weights as a customer, without participating in the optional affiliate portion, ...and that's perfectly fine as well. We've seen many who have made Karatbars accounts available to their employees as part of an employee benefits package with the employer making regular contributions to the gold savings accounts of their employees.
Then too, there are the retailers who have chosen to purchase large quantities of Karatbars gold for retailing in their own stores. They understand how Karatbars can leverage their abilities to expand their own distribution, effectively empowering them to open up additional outlets throughout 89 countries worldwide & growing, without the limitations imposed by traditional brick and mortar locations.
From Valentine's Day,...
to Birthdays,...
to Graduations,... to Weddings,... Anniversaries,... to even New Arrivals to the family...
Christmas etc., etc., 
or even just to say Thank You...
There is never a shortage of gift giving opportunities year round, ...and Karatbars provides a variety of cards for all such occasions occasions.
Do you explain the risks of investing in gold to first-time buyers? Can you tell us some of those risks?
At Karatbars, we do not "INVEST" in Gold. As affiliates, We also do NOT give investment advice. There are many within our Karatbars family who are indeed licensed professionals who do that sort of thing for a living. We also have a wide range of brokers who previously could not deal with clients who didn't have at least $50K - $100K to buy gold. They are extremely happy about Karatbars because now they do not have to turn those clients away. They are also quite happy to share their wealth of knowledge within our family. Some of the most financially literate individuals reside within our ranks. Many of whom have been buying gold for years! They were absolutely exstatic upon discovering karatbars, because the smaller, transaction friendly weights were quite difficult to find.
Up until Karatbars, the average individual had no place to turn if they wanted to acquire currency grade gold. They were shut out of the market by the extremely wealthy and the elite because this particular asset class came in large bars that few could afford. If the average middle income earner wanted to purchase gold, the y had to settle for an inferior asset class of gold. They were relegated to buying gold coins or gold jewelry if they wanted to buy gold. Karatbars now makes the very same quality & purity of this highest asset class of gold available to the average individual.
Do you explain how purchasing gold a gram at a time is significantly more expensive? Can you tell us why buying it in tiny amounts make sense?
As with most any item in the marketplace, there is always a discount on 'bulk' purchases. It is no different than when acquires 1 bar of soap, ...or a case of 100 bars from Costco. Bulk purchases are always more economical.
The same can be said for GOLD as well. Producing smaller units is far more labour intensive to produce. It costs far more to produce 1,000 one gram units, than it does to produce a one kilo bar. Each individual unit must be stamped, weighed, assayed, numbered etc., a thousand times over. As such, the samller units are ALWAYS sold at a premium wherever you go. The good news is, that if those smaller, transaction friendly weights are ever re-sold, the premium stays attached. You may find some places that advertise a lower price for smaller weight gold, however, what you will invariably find is that there are minimum purchase requirements. Others may advertise a lower price per gram, however, it will be based on a minimum purchase of 1,000 grams, and what you're actually purchasing is a 1 kilo bar, not 1,000 1 gram units. Most often, what you will find is that they are SOLD OUT or UNAVAILABLE.
Smaller units allow for far more flexibility. Smaller weights are transaction friendly, and can provide a practical means of exchange should one find themselves unable to get access to paper currency, ...or perhaps in the event that paper currency is not accepted. Everyday, across the planet, more & more people are saying NO debt based forms of currency, and prefer to store their wealth, and preserve the value of their labour in tangible, flexible, hard assets, that are universally accepted, and NOT subject to counter party risk, or the whimsical experimentation of modern fiscal policies.
Do you evaluate the needs of the person on the other end of the phone to determine if purchasing gold is in their best interest?
No, I deal with those who have already decided they want to acquire gold, or who perhaps may be unsure if Karatbars gold is right for them. I don't "sell them" on Karatbars, I answer any questions they may have about Karatbars, and allow them to make up their own minds. I simply show them the system we have in place to acquire gold, ...one that could empower them to acquire far more gold through our system, than they could ever buy out of their own pockets, and allow them to make their own decisions. People know their own particular situations best, ...and are not always forthcoming with personal information. Their personal financial situations are their own business, and I do not pry. If they want to be forthcoming, they can be, but I do not pry. We're talking about a purchase amount that can be as little as 50 euro at a time. People spend more than that on a night out in a restaurant. I hardly think a finacial evaluation is called for. I did share Karatbars with an individual in North Carolina who just last night indicated to me he wanted to roll his 401K or IRA into Karatbars. I made it clear I don't provide tax advise or financial planning advice, but I did refer him to a licensed professional who does specialize in managing the IRA's of those who want to roll them over into GOLD.
I genuinely believe that Karatbars offers the most good to the most amount of people.
Unlike many programs out there that require you to sell a juice, lotion, potion or pill... don't get me wrong... I'm not saying those products are not good for you. There are plenty of GREAT lotions, potions & pills out there. I've sold them, I've taken them, I will continue to take them etc., however, Karatbars makes available worldwide, a product that I believe everyone should have,.. one that does not have a limited shelf life, does not have an expiry date, and does not have to pass through your kidneys. At the end of the day, ...the worst thing that can happen, is someone ends up with an asset on their balance sheet.... an asset that is universally accepted, and recognized as good for settlement of debt. IMO, physical, certificated, 24KT LBMA Karatbars Gold is the best quality collateral one can have on their financial statement.
Karatbars is our trademarked brand name. It basically means hologrammed gold. It is to gold, what kleenex is to tissue.
Years ago, when one acquired currency grade physical bullion, it had to be kept in a vault. That was the only way to ensure it's authenticity. You didn't dare take it out of the vault, because the moment you did, it lost it's certification, and guarantee of weight & purity. There was no way for someone to ensure that what they possessed wasn't counterfeit. therefore, your gold remained vaulted, and if you wanted to trade it, you still could... it simply meant that a custodian took a few bars off one pile of gold, and transfered those bars to a nother pile of gold, ...all within the same vault. You never had physical possession of your gold, and were required to pay storage fees.
For years, bullion bankers have often leased out or even sold other people's gold in the assumption that they would not request delivery. They were quite wrong. Many people have been requesting delivery and many bullion bankers have found themselves in a tremendous squeeze trying to deliver gold than is no longer there, ...gold that they have fraudulently conveyed elsewhere, yet continue to charge storage fees for. Enter Union Banque Suisse (UBS). They introduced to the world a hologram embedded in their gold bars. These holograms make it readily apparent if the bar has been tampered with in any way. For the first time, an individual could purchase this asset class of gold, and actually take it out of the vault into their own possession, secure in the knowledge that it is still guaranteed for weight & purity, as long as the hologram was still intact. UBS called this particular gold bullion bar a
kinebar, and it was a game-changer the world over, as far as taking physical possession of currency grade GDL gold bullion bars. As we started to introduce our gold bars around the world, with the same technology embedded (hologrammed), we found ourselves frequently refering to UBS' product as the benchmark or pinnacle. We realized we were inadvertently promoting someone else's brand. And while they may have pioneered the concept, we were the largest producers of 1 gram units in the world. We should be branding ourselves, not someone else. Because we couldn't trademark our initial KB, we instead trademarked the name Karatbars to describe the hologram embedded GDL gold we produce.
There are those who "get it" right away, ...and there are those who may take a little longer to see and understand what we're all about. That's OK, not everyone has vision. Those who do are welcome to join me. Those who do not, ...well, I'll simply wish them luck in their pursuits whatever that may be.
I truly hope this is the last post on the matter. Any other questions or queries should be sent via inbox.
ps: I hope you're happy now that you have subverted yet another thread OFF-TOPIC.

pps: Of the 11 Original Founders of Microsoft, not all of them had a true vision of what they had their hands on. Out of the Eleven, 7 of them, with vested interests, quit. Infact, one of the individuals when he found out what he had walked away from, ...was so distraught, he committed suicide. Those of us in Karatbars view ourselves as part of the 4 with Vision, not part of the 7 without it.
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