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Re: Millions of Americans losing health coverage due to Obamacare
« Reply #225 on: November 16, 2013, 08:53:01 PM »
Agree 100%

Wrong! his Policy was guaranteed renewable (non cancel-able) until age 65, and could not be singled out for rate increase based on health either, that was until Obamacare forced his Policy to be canceled,  and "Most Polices are not sold for 1 yr, those are called temp polices and they make up less than 3 % of the Polices sold, and most Individuals Health Plans sold since 96 cannot be canceled.

There are 5 categories of Marketplace insurance plans: Bronze, Silver, Gold, Platinum, and Catastrophic, and and his Policy that is being canceled offers more coverage than all but the Platinum Plan, so more coverage for himself than 4 of the 5 options being offered under Obamacare, yet his Plan that is being canceled because it doesn't fit exactly in one of those categorizes yet is more coverage for him self than 4 of the 5 options being offered so stop making up shit to support your false claims, by the way I have over 23 years experience in the Health Insurance field including Actuary, Underwriting, Claims and Sales and Management. Currently AHIP certified approved and CMS approved, plus licensed in over 30 States.

Wrong again.
Medicare is not avaible for children, that is Medicaid you are thinking of, and medicare supplements do not cover everything required by the new mandates including pediatric services required by the new law.  If your Medicare Supplement pays for dental, then you probably don't have a medicare Supplement, in fact sounds like you have a MA plan or a MADP Plan which is Medicare Advantage Plan also referred to as Medicare Part C and they are not for children, as one must have Medicare Part A and Part B to qualify for this, and as I stated earlier children are not on Medicare they are on medicaid.






I suggest you do just a little research before you post that what I posted is wrong. For starters, check with Medicare as I did, and you will discover that Medicare is available for seniors and people of all ages on SSD (Social Security Disability). Medicaid is for folks on public assistance or who have poverty level incomes.  

As for whether medical insurance policies can be cancelled or not, I don't know which insurance carrier your brother-in-law is with, but I researched several different companies' policies and they all contain statements which allow them to discontinue or cancel the a given plan at the time of renewal and that is always on an annual basis. What they cannot do is cancel an individual's policy. For example and using your example, a insurer could decide to eliminate the platinum plan altogether, but they cannot cancel just one individual or family unless the policy has lapsed due to not paying the premium. If it makes it any easier for you to understand, it is the plan design which can be rewritten on an annual basis. That is to say deductibles, copays, coinsurance and premiums for example can change annually. Drug formularies can change at any time. Also, which providers are in or out of network can change at anytime.

While I don't pretend to be an medical insurance expert, I do have considerable experience with group medical insurance plans. I chaired and sat on a number of insurance committees over the years at both a local and state level. My experience is with plans generally offered by Employers to their employees. Since retiring, I have learned as much as I could about Medicare supplemental plans which are sold on an individual basis. Regence BCBS, currently offers two options for Medicare supplemental plans. One is the Medicare Advantage RX Classic plan and the other is Medicare Advantage RX Enhanced. While the enhanced plan has lower deductibles and copays, the premiums are about 3 times as much as the Classic plan. My best friend had her own medical insurance agency for many years until she retired a couple of year ago and sold it.

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Re: Millions of Americans losing health coverage due to Obamacare
« Reply #226 on: November 16, 2013, 09:45:17 PM »
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I suggest you do just a little research before you post that what I posted is wrong. For starters, check with Medicare as I did, and you will discover that Medicare is available for seniors and people of all ages on SSD (Social Security Disability). Medicaid is for folks on public assistance or who have poverty level incomes.  

23 years in the Insurance Industry, including Actuary, Underwriting, Sales and Management, currently licensed in over 30 States and I am AHIP and CMS certified, and you ?

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As for whether medical insurance policies can be cancelled or not, I don't know which insurance carrier your brother-in-law is with, but I researched several different companies' policies and they all contain statements which allow them to discontinue or cancel the a given plan at the time of renewal and that is always on an annual basis. What they cannot do is cancel an individual's policy. For example and using your example, a insurer could decide to eliminate the platinum plan altogether, but they cannot cancel just one individual or family unless the policy has lapsed due to not paying the premium. If it makes it any easier for you to understand, it is the plan design which can be rewritten on an annual basis. That is to say deductibles, copays, coinsurance and premiums for example can change annually. Drug formularies can change at any time. Also, which providers are in or out of network can change at anytime.

His Plan is being canceled because of Obamacare, His Plan was not some substandard Plan, in fact it is the opposite, it was a 100% unlimited Plan after the annual deductible, that was excellent and offered him more coverage than 4 of the 5 options being offered for Jan 1, yet it is being canceled and the newer Plans are more than double in cost, and yet idiots like yourself defend this.

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Medicare supplemental plans which are sold on an individual basis. Regence BCBS, currently offers two options for Medicare supplemental plans. One is the Medicare Advantage RX Classic plan and the other is Medicare Advantage RX Enhanced. While the enhanced plan has lower deductibles and copays, the premiums are about 3 times as much as the Classic plan. My best friend had her own medical insurance agency for many years until she retired a couple of year ago and sold it.

Wrong again!

"Medicare Advantage RX Classic plan and Medicare Advantage RX Enhanced" are not "two options for medicare supplemental plans". What they are are 2 options of Medicare Advantage Plans, just as I wrote earlier that if your insurance is paying for Dental then it is most likely not a medicare supplement, but a MA (Medicare Advantage Plan)
It is odd that you wrote earlier "greedy for profit organizations" in referring to Insurance Companies, yet what did you do? you gave up control of your medicare part a and medicare part b to an Insurance company by purchasing a Medicare Advantage Plan. This would not be the case if you had purchased a medicare supplement plan.

As I wrote earlier Medicare Supplemental (also called a Medigap Plan) and Medicare Advantage Plans are not the same thing..
Do some research before you continue to make even a bigger idiot of yourself.

But if you don't believe me then call BCBS (which I am licensed with by the way) and ask them if the "Medicare Advantage RX Classic plan and the Medicare Advantage RX Enhanced" that you mentioned above as being the "2 options of medicare supplemental plans" are actually 2 options of Medicare Supplemental plans (like you wrote above)? OR are they 2 options of Medicare Advantage Plans just like I wrote? and then report back here how wrong you were (if you are honest)

FYI:
Medicare Advantage vs. Medicare Supplement
Is One Better Than The Other?

Before you can make a decision on which Medicare option is best for your needs, you must first understand the basics of Medicare Advantage (MA) and Medicare Supplement (Medigap) plans. They are very different insurance plans with distinct benefits. The answer to the question "Is one better than the other?" depends on your circumstances and needs.
http://www.planprescriber.com/medicare-insurance-news/vs/

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Medicare Advantage vs. Medicare Supplement Plans
How do they differ? Which is right for you?

When first exploring health care coverage options, many new Medicare beneficiaries ask: “Which is better, Medicare Advantage (MA) or Medicare supplement insurance?” What you really need to know is which is better for you. The answer depends on your circumstances and needs.
more:
http://www.medicarereadycenter.com/articles/medicare-advantage-vs-supplement



So once again:  "Medicare Advantage RX Classic plan and the Medicare Advantage RX Enhanced" are not "2 options of medicare supplemental plans", what they are are medicare advantage plans,  and if that is what you have you might want to watch these 2 videos:


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Re: Millions of Americans losing health coverage due to Obamacare
« Reply #227 on: November 17, 2013, 12:33:51 AM »
23 years in the Insurance Industry, including Actuary, Underwriting, Sales and Management, currently licensed in over 30 States and I am AHIP and CMS certified, and you ?

But if you don't believe me then call BCBS (which I am licensed with by the way)....


Considering you've now set yourself up as something of an medical insurance expert, I am confident you can appreciate that before I purchased the Regence BCBS Medicare Advantage RX Enhanced plan, I did a lot of research and used an agent who works specifically with people on Medicare to find the best plan for our needs or more particularly, my wife's medical needs which are extensive and costly due to her unfortunately having exceptionally poor health. In 2009, when I retired and had to give up my employer paid medical insurance in lieu of Medicare, this was the best plan for my wife and me. The premiums were very affordable and the benefits were excellent. Each year during open enrollment, I reevaluate my medical coverage to insure we have the best plans for us.

Aside from ever increasing premiums and decreasing benefits, the Regence Medicare Advantage RX Enhanced plan has served us very well. Since you are licensed with Regence you should already know these plans are PPO's and not HMO's as are the ones in the videos you've posted. The plan does not require a referral to see a specialist. No medical care has ever been denied either my wife of me.

I find it very interesting that you are in the medical insurance industry and yet you didn't know that pediatrics and maternity are covered under Medicare for people who qualify due to being on SSD.

As for horror stories about insurance coverage, one can always find them regardless of who the insurer is and what the plan design is. Some people have issues with HMO's and perhaps a little less so with PPO's.

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Re: Millions of Americans losing health coverage due to Obamacare
« Reply #228 on: November 18, 2013, 07:59:47 AM »
Considering you've now set yourself up as something of an medical insurance expert, I am confident you can appreciate that before I purchased the Regence BCBS Medicare Advantage RX Enhanced plan, I did a lot of research and used an agent who works specifically with people on Medicare to find the best plan for our needs or more particularly, my wife's medical needs which are extensive and costly due to her unfortunately having exceptionally poor health. In 2009, when I retired and had to give up my employer paid medical insurance in lieu of Medicare, this was the best plan for my wife and me. The premiums were very affordable and the benefits were excellent. Each year during open enrollment, I reevaluate my medical coverage to insure we have the best plans for us.

Aside from ever increasing premiums and decreasing benefits, the Regence Medicare Advantage RX Enhanced plan has served us very well. Since you are licensed with Regence you should already know these plans are PPO's and not HMO's as are the ones in the videos you've posted. The plan does not require a referral to see a specialist. No medical care has ever been denied either my wife of me.

I find it very interesting that you are in the medical insurance industry and yet you didn't know that pediatrics and maternity are covered under Medicare for people who qualify due to being on SSD.

As for horror stories about insurance coverage, one can always find them regardless of who the insurer is and what the plan design is. Some people have issues with HMO's and perhaps a little less so with PPO's.

I see you finally realized that you do not have a Medicare Supplement Insurance Plan, as for the previous 4 post from you, you referred to your insurance as a Medicare Supplement, which is not the case.

And whether you have a Medicare Advantage PPO or a HMO they both can deny coverage for an item or service, and its just a little ironic that just a few days ago you referred to Insurance Companies as "Insurance companies are greedy for profit organizations" yet when it came to your own Healthcare, what did you do? You replaced your Government run traditional Medicare A and B with Insurance offered by an Insurance Company, or as you call them "greedy for profit organizations", and put them instead of medicare in charge of your Coverage and Claims approval. Oh the irony:-0

Although to my family and friends I would have recommended keeping control of traditional medicare A and B and then purchasing a Medicare Supplement and a stand alone part D drug plan, I do commend you on the way you went about it, in that you:

1.) You did extensive research.
2. Went to someone else who you consider an expert for advice.

Then you:

1.) Found a Plan that you liked.
2.) Found a Plan you could afford
3.) found a Plan that allowed you to continue to see your Doctors including specialist.

and my brother, my neighbor and a large percentage of the millions of people who just recently got cancellation letters by their Insurance for abiding to the laws the democrats passed did just like you by:

1.) doing extensive research.
2. went to someone else who they considered an expert for advice.

Then they:

1.) Found a Plan that they liked.
2.) Found a Plan they could afford
3.) found a Plan that allowed them to see thier Doctors including specialist.

Yet they have now been sent cancellation letters, and told they must buy something else, something many cant afford, and where many can no longer go to their current Doctors, and most not because their coverage is "substandard" (democrat talking points that you used) as most did just like you described, and have what they want, need, and can afford, but are being canceled because one does not pay maternity, or pay pediatric dental services, or maybe they changed the deducible recently (as any changes to a current plan also can get your plan canceled) as I know another person who just this last summer changed Plans by temporally raising the deductible to save money for a few years, and that along with cutting out other things non insurance related so he could help put his oldest daughter through college, yet now because of that change his insurance is being canceled, and the replacement is more than double, yet that doesn't seem to bother some democrats, or even Obama for that matter, as what did he do? he knowingly lied on numerous occasions saying "If you like your insurance you can keep it PERIOD!. and if you like your Doctor you can keep them PERIOD! when the facts now show they knew from the beginning that was not the truth, and if many democrats would have read the Bill instead of believing Obama's lies,then the Bill most likely would have never passed as evidence of the many who voted with the republicans last week in trying to undo the cancellations.

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Re: Millions of Americans losing health coverage due to Obamacare
« Reply #231 on: November 19, 2013, 09:54:31 AM »

“No matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise to the American people. If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period. If you like your health care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what.”
 – President Barack Obama, June 2009


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Re: Millions of Americans losing health coverage due to Obamacare
« Reply #233 on: November 19, 2013, 10:07:15 AM »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/private-consultants-warned-of-risks-before-healthcaregovs-oct-1-launch/2013/11/18/9d2db5f4-5096-11e3-9fe0-fd2ca728e67c_allComments.html?ctab=all_&


Obama lied - healthcare died

There are some interesting comments on the link you posted. Seems like everyone wants to weigh in on Obamacare, whether in support of it or not.

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Re: Millions of Americans losing health coverage due to Obamacare
« Reply #234 on: November 19, 2013, 10:08:53 AM »
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/19/minnesota-obamacare_n_4302769.html?utm_hp_ref=politics


ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) — Gov. Mark Dayton announced Monday that Minnesotans will not be able to keep existing insurance coverage under the federal health care law, despite saying last week that he supported President Barack Obama's plan to allow it.

Dayton's decision not to grant the one-year extension on existing plans followed harsh criticism of the proposal by major Minnesota insurance companies. After Obama's announcement last week, Dayton said the extra year before existing policies were canceled would give affected Minnesotans more time to compare policies on the state's insurance exchange "for options with better coverage at better prices."

But in a letter to Dayton Monday, the executive director of the Minnesota Council of Health Plans said the delay would cause "major market disruptions" in the individual insurance marketplace and drive up insurance premiums. Julie Brunner of the council also wrote it would have left almost no time to further revise rates in time for the Jan. 1 start of coverage under the federal law.

Dayton acknowledged those concerns in a letter back to Brunner.

"Your letter makes clear that making the program changes offered by the president last week would be unworkable for your members and would likely cause more expensive health coverage for Minnesotans," Dayton wrote.

The Council of Health Plans represents seven of Minnesota's largest insurance companies: Blue Cross Blue Shield, HealthPartners, Medica, PreferredOne, Sanford Health Plan of Minnesota, UCare and Metropolitan Health Plan. In all, those companies provide insurance to about 4 million people.

The council said about 140,000 Minnesotans had been notified in recent weeks that their existing plans would be subject to major changes under the federal law. Under the new federal law, insurance companies had been counting on profits from selling new plans to healthy people in order to offset losses due to the requirement that they sell plans to people with existing health problems.

But Obama had announced the one-year extension last week in response to frustration from people losing existing health plans despite the president's earlier promise that would not happen. The plans were up for cancellation because they do not meet the minimum coverage requirements of the federal health care law.

Minnesota is not the only state under Democratic control whose elected leaders enthusiastically seized on the health care law, but are now rejecting Obama's one-year delay. Officials in Massachusetts, Washington, Rhode Island and Vermont have also said consumers will not be able to keep canceled health plans.

Dayton wrote in his letter to Brunner that he believed plans available on MNsure, Minnesota's insurance exchange, would be affordable, offer better benefits and contain strong consumer protections. Brunner praised Dayton's decision, calling it "the best course for Minnesota's marketplace."

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Re: Millions of Americans losing health coverage due to Obamacare
« Reply #236 on: November 19, 2013, 03:06:20 PM »
http://www.myfoxny.com/story/23994830/oregon-health-exchange-represents-biggest-woe


LMFAO - not 1 enrollee

Did you read the entire article? This situation is just a little more complex then "not 1 enrollee" considering the number of paper applications submitted because the website isn't operational.

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Re: Millions of Americans losing health coverage due to Obamacare
« Reply #237 on: November 21, 2013, 11:31:30 AM »
http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-insurance/191005-cancellations-are-coming-for-millions-more



Millions more slated to lose insurance. 

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Re: Millions of Americans losing health coverage due to Obamacare
« Reply #238 on: November 21, 2013, 03:22:15 PM »
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101218932

Cali not going along w the obamascamfix


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Re: Millions of Americans losing health coverage due to Obamacare
« Reply #240 on: November 24, 2013, 07:54:27 PM »
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John Boehner’s premiums spike under Obamacare
Politico ^ | November 24, 2013 | By Jonathan Allen
Posted on November 24, 2013 10:41:07 PM EST by Oldeconomybuyer

House Speaker John Boehner’s health insurance premiums will nearly double — and his deductibles will almost triple — as a result of the Affordable Care Act, according to figures provided by his office at POLITICO’s request.

The speaker, who is 64, chose to sign up for an individual plan with benefits similar to those he receives under FEHB. That will cost him $449 per month in premiums, and the policy carries a $1,000 deductible. So, he’ll pay more next year for himself than he paid this year for both himself and his wife — and, together, the Boehners will still pay roughly $800 per month in premiums with deductibles in the $2,000 range.

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« Reply #241 on: November 24, 2013, 10:09:07 PM »
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Politico ^ | November 24, 2013 | By Jonathan Allen
Posted on November 24, 2013 10:41:07 PM EST by Oldeconomybuyer

House Speaker John Boehner’s health insurance premiums will nearly double — and his deductibles will almost triple — as a result of the Affordable Care Act, according to figures provided by his office at POLITICO’s request.

The speaker, who is 64, chose to sign up for an individual plan with benefits similar to those he receives under FEHB. That will cost him $449 per month in premiums, and the policy carries a $1,000 deductible. So, he’ll pay more next year for himself than he paid this year for both himself and his wife — and, together, the Boehners will still pay roughly $800 per month in premiums with deductibles in the $2,000 range.

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Interesting article. I wonder why Mrs. Boehner will be paying around $300 more per month for her combined Medicare and Medicare Advantage plan then I will since we would essentially have the exact same coverage. Could the difference be because we live in different parts of the country? My wife and I at one time considered moving to Michigan. We would have had to change medical insurance, although we would have been with the same company, which is Regence BCBS. At the time we looked into it, the premiums were comparable to those in Oregon. John Boehner's premiums at approximately $400 a month are actually low compared to Regence BCBS premiums in Oregon. In 2009, when I retired the cost of my two party coverage offered through my employer which mirrored Regence BCBS was well over $1,000 a month. Premiums have been increasing at an approximate rate of about 8% per year which would put these premiums at nearly $1,400 for two party coverage. $400 premiums seem like a bargain to me. Of course, there was a difference in benefits since the coverage I had and have had $0 deductible per year and co-pays were $10 for a doctor visit and $5 for prescriptions.

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Re: Millions of Americans losing health coverage due to Obamacare
« Reply #243 on: November 26, 2013, 09:59:15 AM »



Obama needs to go to prison for life 

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Re: Millions of Americans losing health coverage due to Obamacare
« Reply #244 on: November 26, 2013, 11:17:09 AM »
Four reasons why your doctor might not want to keep you under ObamaCare


By Dr. Sreedhar Potarazu/
Published November 26, 2013/
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As the rollout of the Affordable Care Act aka "ObamaCare" continues to falter, the growing concern for consumers and patients will not only be the affordability of insurance plans and the difficulty in actually being able to buy one, but more importantly the ability for them to keep their doctor.

Although President Obama repeatedly made the statement during his marketing effort to promote ObamaCare that each individual would have the ability to keep their doctor, the ensuing problems with the rollout are, in fact, making that promise a myth.

Even if consumers make a wholehearted effort to find a plan that still has their doctor within the insurance company’s network, many doctors may soon decide that it is not worth the effort or the money, unfortunately.

Here are the reasons why.

1. Insurance reimbursements to doctors are dropping

Since October 1st, 2013 the enrollment members have dropped several insurance companies , including United and WellPoint, who have announced that the amount they would reimburse physicians for particular services is far less than what was previously allowed.   

In fact, the reimbursement for some primary care services and diagnostic tests, such as mammograms, could be so low that it would be unsustainable for certain specialties to continue to deliver profitable care.   

The insurance companies have limited choice in terms of sustaining their own profits with the original promise of new enrollees, especially young healthy enrollees coming through the market places, which could now be significantly delayed or never happen at all.

In order to stay profitable and still endure the responsibility of covering dependents until the age of 26, and those with pre-existing conditions, these costs have now been deferred to the doctor in terms of decreased reimbursement.

2. A rapid rise in Medicaid enrollment

Over the last seven weeks not only has the enrollment in the federal market places been under-target but, interestingly enough, a large percentage of those who did sign up for care did so for Medicaid. 

Traditionally, reimbursements to doctors under Medicaid has been far less than those in the employer-sponsored and individual markets. 

As a result, many doctors will see the shift in their new-patient pool lean towards more indigent patients who are on Medicaid, and who also likely have more chronic illnesses that will require more care.   

Based on this shift, doctors again may find it unsustainable to take on a higher volume of patients at lower reimbursement and still be able to provide affordable quality care.

3. Narrow networks could exclude doctors

While the jury is not out in terms of the complete outcome, many insurance companies are taking a state-by-state approach in assessing how broad their network of doctors should be based on the number of enrollees in a given exchange.

If the enrollment numbers are as low as they have been thus far, then insurance companies don’t necessarily have to provide a broad network of physicians and can maintain a very narrow choice for consumers, which seems to be the trend.   

Doctors do not necessarily have to agree to the lower rates that an insurance company proposes in any given network, and they may have the ability to, in fact, opt out.  The technological obstacles for getting new enrollees into the marketplace has impeded the number of people who might be able to get into the system, that will, in turn, keep networks fairly narrow for the time being.

4. A two-tiered system of physician access

The way the system is unfolding is that those who remain in employer-sponsored healthcare could potentially have access to a broader-slate of physicians, as well as services.  This is somewhat ironic in that the goal of ObamaCare was to obviously provide access to those  individuals who didn’t have it. 

Yet, the dynamics of the rollout may very well create a two-tiered system where sicker people who are buying insurance through the marketplaces with higher premiums could, in fact, find it more difficult to get access to the doctors and services they require .

While the challenges to Healthcare.gov seem to be the highlight of the problems with ObamaCare, the more serious issues really revolve around the dynamics of how insurance companies and healthcare professionals are responding to the changing demographic in numbers of those trying to access the system. 

History tells us that anticipating the ultimate outcome is far more complicated than what has been sold to the American public.



Dr. Sreedhar Potarazu is an acclaimed ophthalmologist and entrepreneur who has been recognized as an international visionary in the business of medicine and health information technology. He is the founder of VitalSpring Technologies Inc., a privately held enterprise software company focused on providing employers with applications to empower them to become more sophisticated purchasers of health care. Dr. Potarazu is the founder and chairman of WellZone, a social platform for driving consumer engagement in health.

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Re: Millions of Americans losing health coverage due to Obamacare
« Reply #245 on: November 26, 2013, 02:48:09 PM »
Oregon’s Obamacare sign-up is an ‘epic failure’(Still NOT ONE SOUL enrolled!)
The Politico ^  | November 26, 2013 | Paige Winfield Cunningham

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Oregon once led the country in implementing Obamacare. Now it’s just about dead last.

Not one person has yet enrolled in the Cover Oregon insurance exchange — a major embarrassment to state policymakers who early on had wholeheartedly embraced the Affordable Care Act even as other states tried their best to hinder it.

After repeatedly delaying its website’s enrollment feature because of technical problems, exchange officials are still scrambling. Gov. John Kitzhaber announced new efforts Friday toward that goal, but mid-December is the soonest officials expect online enrollment could be available, and even that date is in doubt. Until then, the only way to sign up for coverage through the state-run program is via paper — a very long way from where Oregon had originally envisioned itself this far into open-enrollment season. The breakdown illustrates how even a gung-ho, tech-savvy state can stumble badly while attempting to expand coverage.

“I think just about everybody in Oregon is surprised and frustrated with where we are right now,” said Jesse O’Brien, a health care advocate for the Portland-based consumer advocacy group OSPIRG. “With Oregon having a reputation as a state that supports health reform and with a governor that is very enthusiastic, I think everyone was expecting we’d be in a much different position.”

“It is such an epic failure, literally it’s mind-boggling,” said state Rep. Jason Conger, a Republican from central Oregon who’s running for Sen. Jeff Merkley’s seat next year.....


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Re: Millions of Americans losing health coverage due to Obamacare
« Reply #246 on: November 26, 2013, 05:23:07 PM »
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/11/18/students-suffer-sticker-shock-from-obamacare/#


Disgusing.

Yes...helping the "less-fortunate" is always a good idea when the evil rich man is the one paying and you're the "less-fortunate" who's benefitting. 
There's always a bit of sticker-shock when people find out that they're part of the "paying for it" crowd when they assumed they would be part of the "get shit for free on the evil rich man's dime" crowd. 




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