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Re: Technology and Unemployment
« Reply #75 on: October 29, 2013, 10:13:16 PM »
It's based on both, quite obviously.  The more bad decisions she made, the more luck would have been required to pull her out of her situation.  That's all.



She is my niece whom I have known for 33 years. Trust me, she could have won the lottery which would have been bad luck for her because she would have blown it up her nose and be dead by now. So, I am not exactly sure what kind of luck you are referring to.

She had the good luck to get her mother's genes for attractive appearance. She had the good luck to have a grandmother who provided her every opportunity afforded people like Paris Hilton. She had the bad luck to be born to two parents who had drug addictions. I image she's had some other bad luck experiences too along the way. The fact that she chose a life on welfare as a drug abuser is not the result of good or bad luck, it is the result of choices she's made.

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« Reply #76 on: October 29, 2013, 10:13:40 PM »
night night RRBORE and abby, I gotta get up early tomorrow to go to work and make that money that you so desperately want to take out of my pocket.

Enjoy sitting at home fellas

ROFL!!!  8)

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« Reply #77 on: October 29, 2013, 10:18:59 PM »
ok so after conception, what in my life do you feel was luck to get me to this situation?

also answer the question...

do you think a single mother who has never been married with 2+ children under 30 and without a high school diploma or at most a high school diploma is someone who is living their life responsibly and making good choices?

Actually, you are lucky to be alive but I don't know enough about your "situation" to call it lucky or not.  (You've apparently been hanging out on getbig today long enough for me to go to the gym and train arms so that right there would cause me to hesitate to call you lucky.)

I'll answer your other question, too.
Strictly speaking, there isn't enough info here.  If she's independently wealthy (an heiress or royalty or a famous celeb) then she very well may be living her life responsibly.  Even if she isn't, aren't you assuming that her situation is completely of her own choosing?  I guess it's maybe fair to assume she chose to have consensual sex that created the kids, but the lack of education and being single could easily not have really been her fault.  (Unless she lived in France where, I hear, the have state-funded child-care which would give her the chance to go back to school  --   You should check into that.)  So, yeah, I will join you in the slut-shaming.  Stupid 'ho should have known better than to open her legs for --- wait a minute, maybe it was her step-dad who fathered the kids.  Then the decision not to marry the father of the kids sounds better.  Hmmm..   Yeah, I can't answer unless you give more info.  

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« Reply #78 on: October 29, 2013, 10:31:58 PM »
The sad part is that with all the education afforded her, coupled with her one time fashion model looks, she could have been a model citizen. The fact that she isn't is not about bad luck, it is about bad choices. But I am sure if you talked to her she doesn't see it that way. I know for a fact that she thinks she has no responsibility for anything that has happened to her.

That does suck.  Sounds like she has a real problem with knowing what kind of people are ok to keep in your life.  I think I do put a little too much stock in luck but how that outlook would manifest itself if it were me in your niece's (niece, right?) shoes is that I wouldn't hang with losers with their drama-filled lives under any circumstances because I sort of believe that bad luck follows those kind of people and I don't want to be anywhere near 'em when it really hits. 

Pretty much my number 1 rule as an adult; The only losers I'll be around have to be ones in my family and even then only on a major holiday.

Good luck with your niece.  I have a half-sister who's had some real serious drug problems (most happened while I was in the army so I don't really know the extent of it) who is now doing pretty well after finding religion in a big way.  My half-brother says that this is just another group for her to scam, but so far it's been about 3 years and she's doing ok with a job and everything.  Of course there is no talking to her -- she's not sane and pretty much our whole extended family has either blocked her or been blocked by her on facebook.

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Re: Technology and Unemployment
« Reply #79 on: October 29, 2013, 10:37:01 PM »

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« Reply #80 on: October 29, 2013, 10:43:52 PM »
That does suck.  Sounds like she has a real problem with knowing what kind of people are ok to keep in your life.  I think I do put a little too much stock in luck but how that outlook would manifest itself if it were me in your niece's (niece, right?) shoes is that I wouldn't hang with losers with their drama-filled lives under any circumstances because I sort of believe that bad luck follows those kind of people and I don't want to be anywhere near 'em when it really hits.  

Pretty much my number 1 rule as an adult; The only losers I'll be around have to be ones in my family and even then only on a major holiday.

Good luck with your niece.  I have a half-sister who's had some real serious drug problems (most happened while I was in the army so I don't really know the extent of it) who is now doing pretty well after finding religion in a big way.  My half-brother says that this is just another group for her to scam, but so far it's been about 3 years and she's doing ok with a job and everything.  Of course there is no talking to her -- she's not sane and pretty much our whole extended family has either blocked her or been blocked by her on facebook.

Yes she is my niece. Genetically, we are not related. Both my sisters were adopted and they were a lot younger than me. Both my sisters had serious drug issues from teen years on into adulthood. One of my stepsisters passed on a few years back from cancer. She was only 50 years old and if she had not died from lung cancer she would probably have died from liver disease as a result of years of alcoholism and drug abuse. My other stepsister who is my niece's mom has been clean for 25 years.

It is rare that I see my niece. She is not invited to family functions at my home because I don't want that element in my life and that is my choice. I agree, association with losers often brings bad experiences. I am not sure I could call it luck.

Clearly, my niece suffers from low self-esteem. If she valued herself, she wouldn't associate with the people she does. What I don't quite get is how a beautiful young woman with a lot of education and life experiences ends up with low self-esteem. She had more opportunities in life than most folks do and she blew them all.

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« Reply #81 on: October 29, 2013, 10:50:25 PM »
and thus the chink in the armour of your theory.

Yes some ppl will be offered opportunities that others are not, this can be based on a number of things lets say as in your example looks.

The pretty girl gets courted by a succesful gentleman and is wined and dined until they get married in which she never has to work again.

Lets take a completely opposite person and say she is so ugly that nobody wants to date her. Well this may seem like a hindrance but you see it opens up other opportunities for her. The less time spent with a significant other means she can devote more time to education and bettering her situation through other means.

You guys think that simply because ppl dont have the same opportunity they are getting screwed.

If you ever get a chance to read malcom gladwells outsiders I encourgage you to do so, it goes hand in hand with you utopian view.

one point he made was that those kids who have birthdays just after cut offs for sports tryouts generally seem be bigger as they have a whole year to grow as opposed to those kids with birthdays just before the cutoff. This means they are bigger, b/c they are bigger and more cordinated they are given more attention by the coaches, this leads to more playing time, which leads to making select teams, which leads to more coaching and so on and so on until you begin to see a grouping of birth dates around these cut offs in high school, college and pro athletics.

What he also mentions however is that the kids whos birthdays are just before the cut off while they may not exceed in sports do tend to outperform the other group in school, music, art etc...

opportunities are all around us, its just recognizing them and capitalizing on them that makes you successful.

Tony mcTony you don't have any idea what I think.  This is clear.  You've read some libertarian stuff that you're dying to parrot.  I get it. Please don't put me in some box because I vote democrat.  That's only the way I think the country should be run.  On a personal level, I'm pretty much a straight libertarian.  I want to do what I want when I want (smoke whatever, juice, anything that only can hurt me) and I fully believe in accountability insofar as if you cut me off in traffic you deserve to die.  Do you get the idea now?  Thing is, I recognize that you cannot run a non-chaotic country like that.  Too many people.  So you need regulation.  You need to be able to protect the dumb and the weak from the smart and the strong.  Every man for himself cannot possibly work on a large scale.  

BTW, your examples are weak.  So you're saying that the pretty girl's prettiness somehow keeps her from being able to study?  As Dwight Shrute would say, "False!".  In fact, she's lucky enough that she can study OR spend her time being chased by Mr. Right.  All other things being equal, she has more opportunities than the ugly girl.  That's not the same as saying the ugly girl has none and I didn't mean to imply that.  (You seem prone to jumping to the wrong conclusion, but the writing skills of all us libs is to blame, eh?)

BTW, when you say "successful" do you mean "happy"?  It'd be interesting for me to know your definition of happy, I think.  

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Re: Technology and Unemployment
« Reply #82 on: October 29, 2013, 10:56:50 PM »

It wasn't luck, he couldn't have possibly been born to anyone else.  His mother moved here and she produced her genetic, flesh and blood offspring.

His dear mother gave birth to an ownage machine.


Yes, for him, it was luck.  His luck that his mom decided to emigrate to the USA.  Also luck that the particular sperm and particular egg that spawned him happened to meet.  Had this lucky (for him) accident not occurred, he wouldn't exist.

Ownage machine? Ninja, please.

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Re: Technology and Unemployment
« Reply #83 on: October 29, 2013, 11:07:18 PM »
Yes, for him, it was luck.  His luck that his mom decided to emigrate to the USA.  Also luck that the particular sperm and particular egg that spawned him happened to meet.  Had this lucky (for him) accident not occurred, he wouldn't exist.

Ownage machine? Ninja, please.

Ninja, there's no such thing as luck.  :P

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« Reply #84 on: October 30, 2013, 06:30:06 AM »
Or you can go to school get educated and obtain a job that can't be replaced by a piece of equipment or software.

You like most liberals have this fallacy that businesses are there to support their employees. If you start to look at things from a business perspective you might start advocating laws and legislation that helps keep jobs here and even create new ones




He lifts too.    ;D

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« Reply #85 on: October 30, 2013, 10:14:47 AM »
Ninja, there's no such thing as luck.  :P

Good luck telling that to every Asian, everywhere. lol  (Helpful Note:  "Ruck" = "Luck".)

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« Reply #86 on: October 30, 2013, 01:36:04 PM »
http://www.utexas.edu/depts/ic2/et/learner/general.html

"The welfare population is characterized as mostly single mothers in their 20s and 30s with one or two children."

sounds like some great life decisions going on with this group........

right.  but try and walk into a high school and tell them to preach abstinence and you're a "bible thumping asshole trying to shove your morals down our throats".  flash forward 5 years and they have 2 kids, no dad, and they're on welfare.  and none of this is their fault.  now everyone owes them.

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« Reply #87 on: October 30, 2013, 05:33:02 PM »
right.  but try and walk into a high school and tell them to preach abstinence and you're a "bible thumping asshole trying to shove your morals down our throats".  flash forward 5 years and they have 2 kids, no dad, and they're on welfare.  and none of this is their fault.  now everyone owes them.

The states that preach and teach abstinence have the highest rates of teen pregnancy and unwed mothers.  Bible thumping neanderthals.

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« Reply #88 on: October 30, 2013, 06:07:16 PM »
Actually, you are lucky to be alive but I don't know enough about your "situation" to call it lucky or not.  (You've apparently been hanging out on getbig today long enough for me to go to the gym and train arms so that right there would cause me to hesitate to call you lucky.)

I'll answer your other question, too.
Strictly speaking, there isn't enough info here.  If she's independently wealthy (an heiress or royalty or a famous celeb) then she very well may be living her life responsibly.  Even if she isn't, aren't you assuming that her situation is completely of her own choosing?  I guess it's maybe fair to assume she chose to have consensual sex that created the kids, but the lack of education and being single could easily not have really been her fault.  (Unless she lived in France where, I hear, the have state-funded child-care which would give her the chance to go back to school  --   You should check into that.)  So, yeah, I will join you in the slut-shaming.  Stupid 'ho should have known better than to open her legs for --- wait a minute, maybe it was her step-dad who fathered the kids.  Then the decision not to marry the father of the kids sounds better.  Hmmm..   Yeah, I can't answer unless you give more info. 
hi there just got back from a 12 hour day working at a job I just happend to find one day walking along aimlessly...ALL LUCK LIKE!!! ;)

seriously now you asked what I thought successful means and for the confines of this discussion as it has become about getting money from other ppl through the govt lets define successful as someone who doesnt use govt assistance.

An heiriss or someone who is independently wealthy isnt counting on someone elses money given to them to get by so that example doesnt apply.

Lets say that as in the VAST MAJORITY of cases these children were concieved through consentual sexual relations. This means that they knew the possible outcomes going in and decided to partake in the act that could result in a baby. This is as you probably will agree A BAD LIFE CHOICE!!!!!!!!!

It wasnt bad luck that these people had a child it was a bad choice one that was repeated in 59% of these people...


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« Reply #89 on: October 30, 2013, 06:16:07 PM »
Tony mcTony you don't have any idea what I think.  This is clear.  You've read some libertarian stuff that you're dying to parrot.  I get it. Please don't put me in some box because I vote democrat.  That's only the way I think the country should be run.  On a personal level, I'm pretty much a straight libertarian.  I want to do what I want when I want (smoke whatever, juice, anything that only can hurt me) and I fully believe in accountability insofar as if you cut me off in traffic you deserve to die.  Do you get the idea now?  Thing is, I recognize that you cannot run a non-chaotic country like that.  Too many people.  So you need regulation.  You need to be able to protect the dumb and the weak from the smart and the strong.  Every man for himself cannot possibly work on a large scale.  

BTW, your examples are weak.  So you're saying that the pretty girl's prettiness somehow keeps her from being able to study?  As Dwight Shrute would say, "False!".  In fact, she's lucky enough that she can study OR spend her time being chased by Mr. Right.  All other things being equal, she has more opportunities than the ugly girl.  That's not the same as saying the ugly girl has none and I didn't mean to imply that.  (You seem prone to jumping to the wrong conclusion, but the writing skills of all us libs is to blame, eh?)

BTW, when you say "successful" do you mean "happy"?  It'd be interesting for me to know your definition of happy, I think.  
LMFAO "libertarian"??? do you even know who malcom gladwell is? That mother fucker is a staunch liberal progressive!!!!

I have never advocated everyman for himself, I have said multiple times that I believe you should help other people. I volunteer both my time and money to help those less fortunate. What I dont advocate is the GOVT TELLING ME WHO I NEED TO HELP. Sorry you have 2 or 3 kids unmarried before your 30 with at most a high school education, you didnt have bad luck you made some fucking horrible choices!!!!

All other things being equal, she has more opportunities than the ugly girl. 
You guys think that simply because ppl dont have the same opportunity they are getting screwed.
DING DING DING!!!! what do I win?

The examples were meant to show you that EVERYONE, ESPECIALLY IN THE US has plenty of opportunities to succeed. Some I agree with you have more and better opportunities but its not the opportunities that make one person successful and another an unwed mother of 3 with at most a high school education.

Its the decisions they make and whether or not they capitalize on those opportunities in front of them.

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Re: Technology and Unemployment
« Reply #90 on: October 30, 2013, 06:33:28 PM »
hi there just got back from a 12 hour day working at a job I just happend to find one day walking along aimlessly...ALL LUCK LIKE!!! ;)

seriously now you asked what I thought successful means and for the confines of this discussion as it has become about getting money from other ppl through the govt lets define successful as someone who doesnt use govt assistance.

An heiriss or someone who is independently wealthy isnt counting on someone elses money given to them to get by so that example doesnt apply.

Lets say that as in the VAST MAJORITY of cases these children were concieved through consentual sexual relations. This means that they knew the possible outcomes going in and decided to partake in the act that could result in a baby. This is as you probably will agree A BAD LIFE CHOICE!!!!!!!!!

It wasnt bad luck that these people had a child it was a bad choice one that was repeated in 59% of these people...



Out of curiosity (and a slight urge to rip on your disregard for spelling and punctuation which I'll try to resist except to mention it here), what sort of job do you do, anyway?

And I didn't ask what you thought successful was in my post that you quoted, it was in a different post (that I'm too lazy to look for) and in it, I believe, I also asked how you'd define happiness.  I'd rather you answer that question, if you don't mind.

So, what?, you are arguing for abstinence here?  LOL.  Seems to me that of people who would be likely to seriously suggest abstinence as a reasonable strategy for life, getbiggers would be some of least likely.  After all, most of us KNOW the power of hormones.

Anyway, like I said, if these single mothers made bad choices, it's probably just in their choice of the father -- because a girl can do a lot with a 18 years' worth of child support payments from a guy with a good income.  (Thanks for making me depressed, you dick.)  lol

Anyway, why are you still talking about this?  Life's outcomes are a combination of our choices and luck.  The better choices one makes, the less luck one needs, for sure...BUT even the very best choices + the hardest work + superior aptitude can be completely wiped out by one stroke of very bad luck.  By the same token, the stupidest, laziest, most irresponsible among us can...you know the rest.

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« Reply #91 on: October 30, 2013, 06:48:16 PM »
LMFAO "libertarian"??? do you even know who malcom gladwell is? That mother fucker is a staunch liberal progressive!!!!

I have never advocated everyman for himself, I have said multiple times that I believe you should help other people. I volunteer both my time and money to help those less fortunate. What I dont advocate is the GOVT TELLING ME WHO I NEED TO HELP. Sorry you have 2 or 3 kids unmarried before your 30 with at most a high school education, you didnt have bad luck you made some fucking horrible choices!!!!
DING DING DING!!!! what do I win?

The examples were meant to show you that EVERYONE, ESPECIALLY IN THE US has plenty of opportunities to succeed. Some I agree with you have more and better opportunities but its not the opportunities that make one person successful and another an unwed mother of 3 with at most a high school education.

Its the decisions they make and whether or not they capitalize on those opportunities in front of them.

You are an idiot for presuming that because you mentioned Gladwell and I mentioned I thought you'd read some libertarian stuff that I think Gladwell is a libertarian.  As Dwight Schrute would say, "False!"  My mistake for assuming that you've read other material besides Gladwell, right? Jesus, you must be trolling, right?

As far as me presuming you are a libertarian (not because of Gladwell, haha), it seemed that way from what you talk about.  I'm no expert in what it means to be a libertarian but they, AFAIK, also really don't like to be told what to do.  They particularly object to giving their money to anyone not of their choosing.  They are also heavily invested in the idea of accountability.  I'm not trying to dog you here but doesn't this sound like you?  Tell me some ways that your beliefs/values differ from those of a libertarian and maybe I'll buy the fact that you're not. (And honestly, who cares if you are?  Own that shit.) 

I agree with some of what you say but luck trumps all.  Whether we're talking about your ability to support yourself financially or whether we're talking about if you'll wake up alive tomorrow to see another day.  What did Bill Hicks say after he took a drag off his cigarette?  "Non-smokers die everyday."  To which I'll add, "People who make good choices fail every day".  If you deny this, then you are not very well acquainted with the world around you.  Unless you're some sort of immortal being, you'll know it sooner or later, though.  (You can belee' dat.)

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« Reply #92 on: October 30, 2013, 06:56:47 PM »
Out of curiosity (and a slight urge to rip on your disregard for spelling and punctuation which I'll try to resist except to mention it here), what sort of job do you do, anyway?

And I didn't ask what you thought successful was in my post that you quoted, it was in a different post (that I'm too lazy to look for) and in it, I believe, I also asked how you'd define happiness.  I'd rather you answer that question, if you don't mind.

So, what?, you are arguing for abstinence here?  LOL.  Seems to me that of people who would be likely to seriously suggest abstinence as a reasonable strategy for life, getbiggers would be some of least likely.  After all, most of us KNOW the power of hormones.

Anyway, like I said, if these single mothers made bad choices, it's probably just in their choice of the father -- because a girl can do a lot with a 18 years' worth of child support payments from a guy with a good income.  (Thanks for making me depressed, you dick.)  lol

Anyway, why are you still talking about this?  Life's outcomes are a combination of our choices and luck.  The better choices one makes, the less luck one needs, for sure...BUT even the very best choices + the hardest work + superior aptitude can be completely wiped out by one stroke of very bad luck.  By the same token, the stupidest, laziest, most irresponsible among us can...you know the rest.
1. I dont come here to worry about spelling correctly and writing complete sentences etc. I spend a good portion of my day worrying about such things and I dont feel like this is so important I need to spell/grammer check everything. I work in the financial services field, specifically I work as an anlyst for a group of financial advisors...and you RRKORE what do you do for a living?

2. I never said you asked me in the post I quoted I addressed it there b/c it was relevant to the discussion at that point and adding an additional post would have created a longer and more drawn out thread

3. YES you did ask me what I meant by succesful? specifically you asked if I meant happiness instead of successful and NO, I DIDNT...

4. Im not arguing for abstinence although that is a better choice than 3 kids before you turn 30 or get a high school diploma...DONT YOU THINK???? LOL What I am arguing for it making better choices like using condoms, birth control pill or any of the plethora of other contraception readily available these days of which YES ABSTINENCE IS ONE...

5. I agree their choice in mate was equally as bad as their choice to have unprotected sex resulting in multiple children before 30 and without a high school education.

6. B/c liberals such as you and abraham need to understand that the majority of ppl receiving govt assistance arent ppl who are simply down on their luck. In the majority of cases THESE PEOPLE MADE HORRIBLE LIFE DECISIONS and it shouldnt be other peoples mandated responsibility to take care of them.

 

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« Reply #93 on: October 30, 2013, 07:02:57 PM »
You are an idiot for presuming that because you mentioned Gladwell and I mentioned I thought you'd read some libertarian stuff that I think Gladwell is a libertarian.  As Dwight Schrute would say, "False!"  My mistake for assuming that you've read other material besides Gladwell, right? Jesus, you must be trolling, right?

As far as me presuming you are a libertarian (not because of Gladwell, haha), it seemed that way from what you talk about.  I'm no expert in what it means to be a libertarian but they, AFAIK, also really don't like to be told what to do.  They particularly object to giving their money to anyone not of their choosing.  They are also heavily invested in the idea of accountability.  I'm not trying to dog you here but doesn't this sound like you?  Tell me some ways that your beliefs/values differ from those of a libertarian and maybe I'll buy the fact that you're not. (And honestly, who cares if you are?  Own that shit.) 

I agree with some of what you say but luck trumps all.  Whether we're talking about your ability to support yourself financially or whether we're talking about if you'll wake up alive tomorrow to see another day.  What did Bill Hicks say after he took a drag off his cigarette?  "Non-smokers die everyday."  To which I'll add, "People who make good choices fail every day".  If you deny this, then you are not very well acquainted with the world around you.  Unless you're some sort of immortal being, you'll know it sooner or later, though.  (You can belee' dat.)
bull shit...

A person who makes good choices everyday is going to end up better than a person who makes bad choices every day the vast majority of the time.

If you truly believe the bull shit you spout Im guessing you dont work very much and are waiting for your lucky break? seeing as luck trumps all ::)

ps I didnt think you were calling me a libertarian there brain child, it was implied that you were calling gladwell a libertarian.

I dont have any issue with being called a libertarian I would say I generally refer to myself as a true conservative, not like the big govt conservatives that make up the republican party these days though. I agree I think libertarians and conservatives have a lot in common though so whatever....

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Re: Technology and Unemployment
« Reply #94 on: October 30, 2013, 07:50:07 PM »
1. I dont come here to worry about spelling correctly and writing complete sentences etc. I spend a good portion of my day worrying about such things and I dont feel like this is so important I need to spell/grammer check everything. I work in the financial services field, specifically I work as an anlyst for a group of financial advisors...and you RRKORE what do you do for a living?

2. I never said you asked me in the post I quoted I addressed it there b/c it was relevant to the discussion at that point and adding an additional post would have created a longer and more drawn out thread

3. YES you did ask me what I meant by succesful? specifically you asked if I meant happiness instead of successful and NO, I DIDNT...

4. Im not arguing for abstinence although that is a better choice than 3 kids before you turn 30 or get a high school diploma...DONT YOU THINK???? LOL What I am arguing for it making better choices like using condoms, birth control pill or any of the plethora of other contraception readily available these days of which YES ABSTINENCE IS ONE...

5. I agree their choice in mate was equally as bad as their choice to have unprotected sex resulting in multiple children before 30 and without a high school education.

6. B/c liberals such as you and abraham need to understand that the majority of ppl receiving govt assistance are ppl who are simply down on their luck. In the majority of cases THESE PEOPLE MADE HORRIBLE LIFE DECISIONS and it shouldnt be other peoples mandated responsibility to take care of them.


I'm a Software Quality Assurance Engineer by title.  But not by education at all.  I lucked into the position, haha.  (It's completely true.)
An old buddy of mine called me out of the blue just as I was really wanting to quit a management job that sucked (I hate being in charge of people, I came to learn) so I came to his company which, as a pre-condition to taking on new contractors, had a 2-day training and then a test.  I did very well, worked for them as a contractor for about a year, and then was hired on full-time.  All about 11 years ago. By education, I was a foreign language major at a top public university.  I did not finish my degree.  (Here's the thing about advanced foreign language education -- after a certain point, it feels like an english class so fuck that.)  Unlike you, apparently (I could be wrong), I've never seen money as worth a lot of effort to get. I'd feel differently if we were immortal but we're not.  Since an early age I've felt that if we're just gonna die anyway, then as long as you have enough money to stay away from stressful situations, that's enough.  I still feel pretty much the same way except I need a little more money now that I have a young wife and a kid that I don't want to leave in a bad spot when I die.  It's always been clear to me that financial "success" and happiness are not at all the same thing.  You DO need some financial success to avoid unhappiness, however.  Hopefully that distinction is clear to you.  

Anyway, I'm not sure what concession you're really after.  Do I think those on the dole have some responsibility for their plight?  Sure, but bad luck (not to mention some sort of systemic unfairness) has surely played a role also.  You're finally acknowledging this a little bit and that's great.  BTW, I notice that you say that "In the majority of cases..." (which is admirably honest and accurate on your part) people have dug their own graves, but then you go on to say that others shouldn't have to pay for their bad choices.  I might agree with this a little bit but how would you distinguish between the ones who fate just fucked and the ones who are polluting the gene pool?  (This is the kind of thing, btw, that a libertarian would say.)  Unless you've committed some horrendous crime, everyone deserves some happiness, don't you think?  It's funny -- You'd think you were the big believer in luck/fate the way seem to be saying to most of those who depend on others to live, "Accept your fate!, I will not be told to help you."  These are your fellow humans, your fellow Americans.  Did you not get enough hugs as a kid?  Sorry, that was dickish and maybe completely off-base.

You remind me of this slightly older guy I used to train with back in high school (he did not go to my school, though) who I reacquainted myself with on FB after losing touch for over 20 years.  So freakin' depreessing to me that this guy (who always was kind of socially retarded and weird but not stupid -- he had a bad stutter largely, I think, because of his scary asshole dad who terrorized their whole family) was still in the same town, still single (he's decent looking, actually), semi-retired (because of good investments) but has never been out of the country (barely out of the state, really) who was trying to convince me he's happy because he owns 2 houses and a bunch of vehicles.  Of course, he was trying to convince me of how happy he is after initially complaining like a mofo about, well, everything including "the abysmal dating situation" for guys his age back because I started giving him real advice on how to improve his life.  What it comes down to, with him (and I hope not for you) is that he sees no value at all in spending money on anything that he can't get some financial return on at a later date.  So, spending money on trips, food, and...  Ah, shit. I gotta go  -- I just got an email from these guys in Taiwan (it's almost 11am there) I'm working with and I've gotta write up some shit for my team.  Anyway, don't be like my dumbass friend and vaya con queso.  Gotta go chase paper (or some such shit).

Oh, btw, your spelling and grammar are irksome.  No matter how many exclamation points you use, you can still use an occasional apostrophe.  I promise.  Later.

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« Reply #95 on: October 30, 2013, 07:56:55 PM »

If you truly believe the bull shit you spout Im guessing you dont work very much and are waiting for your lucky break? seeing as luck trumps all ::)



Oh shit, you ARE like my old friend. My condolences. 

BTW, you should stop guessing.  You don't seem to be good at it.  -- I have been making $85k/year for quite a while now doing a job I like.  Nothing compared to your average getbigger who has a 6 figure income, 22-inch arms, and a super-model girlfriend, I realize, but I'm comfortable financially.  I could be happy, though, on maybe a quarter of what I make now.  Give me a good internet connection, a shack near the beach and the attention of my woman and I'm cool.  How about you, brother?

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« Reply #96 on: October 30, 2013, 07:58:04 PM »
OK, I really gotta go.  Gotta write some stuff for work and then go train hams, calves and abs.  I might be on later, but the wife won't like it.

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« Reply #97 on: October 30, 2013, 09:12:30 PM »
Oh shit, you ARE like my old friend. My condolences. 

BTW, you should stop guessing.  You don't seem to be good at it.  -- I have been making $85k/year for quite a while now doing a job I like.  Nothing compared to your average getbigger who has a 6 figure income, 22-inch arms, and a super-model girlfriend and a fully functional 9.5 inch cock with hours and hours of stamina and the ability to reload ten minutes after ejaculating. I realize, but I'm comfortable financially.  I could be happy, though, on maybe a quarter of what I make now.  Give me a good internet connection, a shack near the beach and the attention of my woman and I'm cool.  How about you, brother?

I actually feel kind of bad for McTony.  We are so in his mind it's not even funny.  By the way, I fixed your post.

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« Reply #98 on: October 30, 2013, 09:52:16 PM »
I actually feel kind of bad for McTony.  We are so in his mind it's not even funny.  By the way, I fixed your post.

Brah, the last four pages are packed with posts from you and kore.

As if good luck is required in order to stay off public assistance, and not repeatedly, and consciously make the wrong decisions.


The WWII generation must be rolling in their graves...  :-\

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« Reply #99 on: October 30, 2013, 10:33:32 PM »
Brah, the last four pages are packed with posts from you and kore.

As if good luck is required in order to stay off public assistance, and not repeatedly, and consciously make the wrong decisions.


The WWII generation must be rolling in their graves...  :-\

Thank you Mr. Mensa.