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Re: interesting points about virginia election..
« Reply #75 on: November 07, 2013, 08:15:04 AM »
Tea Party political savy:

Christie won? Big deal.
Cucci lost? It was a great referendum on Obamacare.

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Re: interesting points about virginia election..
« Reply #76 on: November 07, 2013, 08:18:12 AM »
Tea Party political savy:

Christie won? Big deal.
Cucci lost? It was a great referendum on Obamacare.

He closed the 10 point gap in a week or so as obamcare implodes.  another week or so he would have won. 

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Re: interesting points about virginia election..
« Reply #77 on: November 07, 2013, 08:51:33 AM »
Coulda, woulda, shoulda...   but didn't.

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Re: interesting points about virginia election..
« Reply #78 on: November 07, 2013, 09:05:07 AM »

Gay rights.

Womans rights.

Religion.



Gays have plenty of 'rights', they are glorified and promoted in modern society.

Liberal are the ones against women's health, they want to keep open every shady backalley abortion mill in the country. But I guess assuring access to cheap abortions from a back alley'clinic' are the standards for 'women's rights'  ::)
Speaking of women's rights, conservatives feel that women should be able to defend themselves from attackers, whereas liberals think they ought to be left on their own to fight off a rapist...maybe give them a 'rape whistle' ::)
And late term abortions involve the killing of a human life..so there's a little more to it than just the whores 'rights'.

And virtually all conservatives/tea party support freedom of religion. The liberals however, push and love islam while trying to forcibly remove christianity from america

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Re: interesting points about virginia election..
« Reply #79 on: November 07, 2013, 12:13:34 PM »

The Problem With Libertarians

Derek Hunter

11/7/2013 12:01:00 AM - Derek Hunter

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There was a time I called myself a Libertarian. And there was a time I was a Libertarian. I just wanted to get government to leave me alone, to leave people alone and to go all crazy and limit itself to doing only that which is spelled out clearly in the Constitution. That was what a Libertarian was. But it’s not anymore.

The word no longer has any meaning, no definition or parameters, certainly no coherent philosophy to speak of. And there’s no one to blame for that except Libertarians themselves.

So what happened?

By not even loosely defining the parameters of a set of beliefs, Libertarians allowed their brand – as it was – to be hijacked by anyone willing to wear the label. They went from the movement for individual responsibility, small government and free markets to a gaggle of misfits who want pot and prostitution legalized and a total non-interventionist foreign policy.

That pretty much sums it up.

Honestly, what does being a Libertarian mean beyond legalizing drugs, banging hookers and sitting by while the rest of the world blows itself up?

The great Reason magazine is a wonderful publication filled with great articles, solid journalism you won’t find elsewhere…and a voice that does little more than complain.

Reason is great at highlighting abuses by every level of government, stories ignored by other media outlets. But you won’t find much in the way of philosophy or solutions. (There’s some, it just doesn’t seem to be a focus.) They preach to the choir, and it ends there.

I love the Cato Institute and have a lot of good friends who work there, and they do offer some good solutions. They just refuse to do anything about them. Cato has a deserved reputation for refusing to play nice with anyone else. When was the last legislative “victory” spearheaded or introduced by Cato?

What Libertarians do exceedingly well is sit on the sidelines, arms folded, and complain. No idea was ever put into action by complaining that it wasn’t so, yet that seems to be the Libertarian modus operandi.

On election night 2008, I was at a Reason/America’s Future Foundation (another Libertarian group) election night party in a Chinatown bar in DC. The results of the election were a forgone conclusion, so what better way to mark the night than with a few drinks and friends. Hell, the band played as the Titanic sank, so why not imbibe a bit as the nation hit the iceberg?

It’s not like anyone was thrilled to vote for John McCain that day. But as bad as McCain was (and still is), he was better than Barack Obama. At least that’s a conclusion you’d expect anyone who supported liberty to draw.

Yet that night, as each state was declared for Obama, cheers rose from the crowd. When Obama won Ohio, you would’ve thought you were in a bar in Green Bay and the Packers had just won the Super Bowl. High-fives and laughter filled the room.

It wasn’t as though these self-described Libertarians wanted Obama to win. Well, actually, many of them did. But the majority of them wanted McCain to lose. They wanted Republicans to lose. Their victory was to let the country lose, to get that smug sense of self-satisfaction they were feeling.

In the years since, that attitude has only grown. And what it means to be a Libertarian has blurred even more than before. So much so that a “Libertarian” candidate for governor in Virginia – many of whose views would disgust “real” Libertarians – pulled 7 percent in a race decided by much less pretty much solely on the strength of his party ID.

Libertarians have devolved from the pro-liberty wing of the right side of the ledger to the annoying kid who, when he doesn’t get 100 percent of what he wants, takes his ball and goes home. The team he agrees with more than half the time loses to the team he barely agrees with at all, and he cheers while marinating in his smugness.

Perhaps the best-known of the bastardized self-definition of Libertarian is Bill Maher. Maher is a Libertarian like David Ortiz is a world-class sprinter. But with a definition as firm as a bowl of Jell-O, there’s no one to say he isn’t.

In his largely ignored HBO show, Maher labels himself a Libertarian. On the Internet, a lazy, compliant media perpetuates that label, and soon it becomes accepted fact. In reality, Maher doesn’t have the first clue about the virtues of individual liberty, nor does he possess any love of a Libertarian philosophy beyond wanting to smoke weed and bang hookers.

But who’s saying he’s not a Libertarian? Who challenges his claim in any public and sustained way? No one.

So the progressive pap that slips past his bleached teeth and onto the Internet is associated with, and is becoming, Libertarian orthodoxy with a new generation of confused people.

Grover Norquist, President of Americans for Tax Reform, famously tells the story of how Maher came to his Wednesday Meeting once and made his Libertarian claim, then proceeded to rant of how government needs to do this, that and the other thing. And they need to raise taxes to pay for it all. Grover, in a room of 150 people, ask Maher, “So you’re from the pro-high tax wing of the Libertarian movement?” Everyone in the room laughed hysterically, except Maher. He didn’t get it. At least it didn’t seem like he’d gotten it, but maybe he did. Maybe it was everyone else in the room who didn’t get it.

Thanks to Maher and his ilk, the term Libertarian does now come closer to what he thinks it is than it used to. If prominent Libertarians and Libertarian organizations continue to accept through silence this bastardization, it will continue to intensify. If they continue with their “my way or the highway” approach to electoral politics, their 100 percent-or-nothing purity tests, I’m not sure there will be anyone except them left to give a damn.

There’s a lesson in all this for the GOP establishment too. The disintegration of Libertarians is similar to what we’re seeing happen in the counterproductive battle between conservatives/Tea Party and the Republican establishment. If the GOP establishment can’t win with their candidate, they’d rather lose. It’s not cutting off your nose to spite your face; it’s more like cutting off your head to spite yourself.

The Virginia gubernatorial race wasn’t lost by Ken Cuccinelli. It was lost by the GOP establishment. The national party took their ball and went home early, leaving the Republican candidate astronomically outspent. Even with that disadvantage, he barely lost. Say what you will of Michael Steele’s tenure as GOP Chairman, at least he won. That’s more than can be said for the elections under Reince Priebus.

Much like Libertarians, the GOP establishment took their ball and went home in Virginia. How’d that work out for them? They “succeeded” – the guy they didn’t want to win didn’t win. But Terry McAuliffe, perhaps the sleaziest person in all of the Clinton universe, is now governor of Virginia. Pretty perverted way to make a point.

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Re: interesting points about virginia election..
« Reply #80 on: November 07, 2013, 12:30:12 PM »
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Re: interesting points about virginia election..
« Reply #81 on: November 07, 2013, 12:32:36 PM »
Gays have plenty of 'rights', they are glorified and promoted in modern society.

Liberal are the ones against women's health, they want to keep open every shady backalley abortion mill in the country. But I guess assuring access to cheap abortions from a back alley'clinic' are the standards for 'women's rights'  ::)
Speaking of women's rights, conservatives feel that women should be able to defend themselves from attackers, whereas liberals think they ought to be left on their own to fight off a rapist...maybe give them a 'rape whistle' ::)
And late term abortions involve the killing of a human life..so there's a little more to it than just the whores 'rights'.

And virtually all conservatives/tea party support freedom of religion. The liberals however, push and love islam while trying to forcibly remove christianity from america
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Re: interesting points about virginia election..
« Reply #82 on: November 08, 2013, 11:07:20 AM »
How can you blame the GOP for the current disaster that is obamacare and yet act as if Dems are not liars? How can you pretend that it shouldn't be an issue that should be brought up in every midterm election where a democrat supported the reform and claimed that people could keep their coverage and doctors?

You are not a libertarian. There is no way a libertarian would defend or take the side of the democratic party on this issue and blame solely the GOP.

You are another imbecilic liberal.

If you think I'm a "liberal", then I have nothing more to say to you... People like you are why I avoid this ridiculous sub board.... If anyone doesn't agree with what "YOU" think, they must be the "Whatever the fuck you aren't".

In your case, I'm in imbecilic liberal, where to liberals, I must be a right wing lunatic... That's the problem with this board... You can't be of sound mind and disagree on points from both sides, because they don't like you.

I'm the furthest thing from a liberal, but you go ahead and tell me what you KNOW I MUST BE..

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Re: interesting points about virginia election..
« Reply #83 on: November 08, 2013, 11:10:49 AM »
tim?
Did you actually stalk my post to the point that when I accidentally hit the post button, then went and changed it not more than 2-3 minutes later by finishing what I was typing that you had time to quote and ask me?

Damn dude...


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Re: interesting points about virginia election..
« Reply #84 on: November 08, 2013, 12:11:54 PM »
No I don't like those things.  That is not insurance in the sense of what insurance is - but welfare.   If you have a house and carry no insurance and have a fire, can you call Allstate the day after and be like "Hey I had a house fire yesterday - I need a policy" ?  No.  Its welfare and the best the thing to do is separate those people into high risk pools and deal w them alone so that those who are young healthy and fit don't keep getting fucked

After reading about those that will be helped tremendously by ACA, you seem pretty heartless, SC.  (And that's worse than being a bleeding heart, imo.)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/11/05/1253247/-From-Kentucky-a-reminder-of-the-bigger-health-insurance-guy-health-insurance-guy-health-insurance-guy-health-insurance-nbsp-picture

Kentucky has become an early success story in the roll-out of Obamacare, with a Democratic governor, Steve Beshear, whose administration has tackled getting their program—Kynect—up and running efficiently. Just as important, Kentucky has committed to an extensive outreach program to get people educated, informed and signed up. The New York Times' Abby Goodnough checks in on that effort, and in doing so provides a very good reminder of why this law is so necessary.

    The woman, a thin 61-year-old who refused to give her name, citing privacy concerns, had come to the public library here to sign up for health insurance through Kentucky’s new online exchange. She had a painful lump on the back of her hand and other health problems that worried her deeply, she said, but had been unable to afford insurance as a home health care worker who earns $9 an hour.

    Within a minute, the system checked her information and flashed its conclusion on Ms. Cauley’s laptop: eligible for Medicaid. The woman began to weep with relief. Without insurance, she said as she left, “it’s cheaper to die.” [...]

    After Samantha Davis helped Deborah and Joseph Willis enroll in Medicaid one morning at a Family Health Centers clinic, Mrs. Willis, 49, told her how she felt some doctors and nurses had treated her unkindly because she lacked insurance. “Maybe they’ll look at me a lot different now,” she said.

    As the couple prepared to leave the clinic, Mr. Willis, who is 55 and has severe foot and back pain from injuries but has not seen a doctor in years, turned to Ms. Davis and extended his hand.

    “God bless you,” he said. [...]

    Through the exchange, Mr. Elson, 60, who has advanced diabetes and kidney disease, was offered a choice of 24 health plans, with premiums ranging from $92 to $501 a month after the subsidy. But if he felt elation or relief, he was too preoccupied to show it.

    Bleeding at the back of his eyes, caused by a complication of diabetes, had blurred his vision. He had run out of insulin the previous week and had not refilled his prescriptions, which cost almost $500 a month, because a recent tax bill had depleted his bank account. He had an appointment with an eye specialist that afternoon, and the possibility of more debt was hanging heavily over him. [...]

    “I’m hoping once I have insurance that I can sit down and figure out a budget and see if I have to bankrupt,” he said. [...]

    “It’s not a fact that I want to sponge off of somebody,” he said. “I want to be able to pay my bills and be able to go through life without feeling I owe somebody.”


We're here today because, as a nation, we decided that no one should have to choose between their prescriptions—their insulin—and feeding their family or keeping their home. We're here today because, as a nation, we decided that no one should go bankrupt because of a health catastrophe. We decided as a nation that health insurance should be available and affordable to every American citizen. That decision was was reaffirmed by the Supreme Court and by a national election. These stories all serve as a reminder of that decision.

The solution thus far has proved imperfect, but it's far preferable to the status quo. For every person who is pissed off at having their junk insurance policy cancelled and has to sign up for a new one, there are dozens who are elated that they can finally have just a little bit of breathing room in their lives because they finally will have health insurance.