Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim

[OzmO]

I personally would not have gone outside but as it was legal to go outside that is not part of what will be put up to the reasonable person standard.

Ive explained this to you numerous times but it still is eluding you somehow.

It does.  A reaaonable peson who believes he is in imminent danger or death doesnt leave his wife alone or the saftey of his house


Tony, i am out and about, i will get to your last post later.   Thanks

[OzmO]

Just read the question you asked me.   

Answer:   Reasonable to susspect it, not reasonable to believe fully.   I would be afraid, but so much becuase i have a gun, i would not immidiatly shot the guy.  I would back away.  Issue warning shots in the air or atthe ground.  Shottin him would be my absolute last resort. 

This idiot made it his second resort. 

[tonymctones]

It does.  A reaaonable peson who believes he is in imminent danger or death doesnt leave his wife alone or the saftey of his house


Tony, i am out and about, i will get to your last post later.   Thanks

i agree, but he didnt have to be in imminent danger when he left the house....

dont worry bro im done, its obvious you arent going to come to a realization the law is written a certain way and we will all know soon enough what happens to this guy.

[tonymctones]

Just read the question you asked me.   

Answer:   Reasonable to susspect it, not reasonable to believe fully.   I would be afraid, but so much becuase i have a gun, i would not immidiatly shot the guy.  I would back away.  Issue warning shots in the air or atthe ground.  Shottin him would be my absolute last resort. 

This idiot made it his second resort. 

I can agree with you on the backing away part but per the law you do not have a duty to back away. So him staying there was again perfectly legal just as it was perfectly legal for him to go outside.

[OzmO]

i agree, but he didnt have to be in imminent danger when he left the house....

dont worry bro im done, its obvious you arent going to come to a realization the law is written a certain way and we will all know soon enough what happens to this guy.

Yeah pretty curious about the outcome.  Looks like he wont get charged.  My thinking is the longer it takes the less chance he has of getting charged.  

I see the points you are making.  For me, based on the things i pointed out it doesnt fit.   Like i said, breaking in the window or forced entry or weapon i would completely agree.  

[tonymctones]

Yeah pretty curious about the outcome.  Looks like he wont get charged.  My thinking is the longer it takes the less chance he has of getting charged. 

I see the points you are making.  For me, based on the things i pointed out it doesnt fit.   Like i said, breaking in the window or forced entry or weapon i would completely agree.   

iono I kinda think the longer it takes to more the DA is putting together a case against him...who knows

[24KT]

You haven't exactly been the most credible source in this thread.  You claimed the police talked to the man earlier in the day, which is false. 

You also claimed Hendrix had already been charged, which is also false. 

There are a gadzillion articles out there with conflicting information.
My understanding is that the decision had already been made to charge him.

[24KT]

I know it was his fiancé, which is what I've said.  I was talking about my own situation. 

Egads.  Americans are panicked.  Maybe they don't know America has already fallen?   

I think they secretly already do, ...they just don't want to admit it to themselves or anyone else.
They're hoping to wish it away and live the lie. If they're complicit in the charade, perhaps the powers that be will keep the charade going for just a little wile longer, ...before they forced into either the FEMA camps, or the FEMA coffins, ...or living like Jed Clampett & clan surviving off squirrels they hunted themselves. btw: how's your bow & arrow these days?

[Dos Equis]

It suggests that he wasnt afraid of imminent death or danger.  Thqt he felt his wife would be safe enough in the home alone which in turn means he felt safe enough too. 


I agree about the anger thing.  It just sounds good, but it also suggests that him being afrAid isnt a fact either

Not necessarily.  I think when most normal people decide to pull a weapon to defend themselves there is an element of fear. 

Also, it would be a much different situation if he wasn't on his own property. 

[Dos Equis]

There are a gadzillion articles out there with conflicting information.
My understanding is that the decision had already been made to charge him.

Where is the conflicting information showing the decision to charge him was already made?

[Dos Equis]

I think they secretly already do, ...they just don't want to admit it to themselves or anyone else.
They're hoping to wish it away and live the lie. If they're complicit in the charade, perhaps the powers that be will keep the charade going for just a little wile longer, ...before they forced into either the FEMA camps, or the FEMA coffins, ...or living like Jed Clampett & clan surviving off squirrels they hunted themselves. btw: how's your bow & arrow these days?

You've been saying this for how many years already? 

I have a bat, plus a very mean stink eye.  I'm a sheep in wolves clothing.  (Stole that from someone else.) 

[OzmO]

Not necessarily.  I think when most normal people decide to pull a weapon to defend themselves there is an element of fear. 

Also, it would be a much different situation if he wasn't on his own property. 

Certianly an element of fear, but one thats based on zero forced entry, no active entry and thr police on thier way, and the logic that if a situation is truely dangerous with even the possibility of immient danger or death the last thing a really fearful reasonable man is going to do is leave thier wife, defenseless.  Therefore the element of fear is not one a reasonable man would need to make him believe he needs to leave his house and if it was, which any reasonable man would agree, then leaving his wife alone is probably ok. 

This man made a serious mistake and irresponsibly killed someone.  Something a reasonable man would not do.  I am a reasonable man.  I would not in any part of this feel like i needed to shoot this guy the way hendrix did.  I have outlined a resonable course of action a reasonable responsible man with a gun do.  And some of you have agreed youd do some of those things too. 

It is desperately sad and he should face consequences. 

[240 is Back]

It suggests that he wasnt afraid of imminent death or danger.  Thqt he felt his wife would be safe enough in the home alone which in turn means he felt safe enough too. 

THIS.

He will have to convince police that his fear of this bad guy started the minute he walked down steps into side yard and saw a silhouette.

They will ask him if he frequently opens fire on shapes of people he cannot identify. 

He'll say no, just this once, I promise it won't happen again, can we just forget this happened and move on?

[240 is Back]

Not necessarily.  I think when most normal people decide to pull a weapon to defend themselves there is an element of fear. 

Also, it would be a much different situation if he wasn't on his own property. 

castle doctrine does NOT extend to your yard.   I can stand in your yard singing songs or playing football or bouncing on a whoopee cushion. 

You can't shoot me for it.  You can't  And you can't even claim you were startled, cause you knew I was out there and called police about it.

in yard, and inside house/car are VERY different things.  If you kill an unarmed man for walking on your lawn (which is really what happened here), you're probably going to jail.

[240 is Back]

I can agree with you on the backing away part but per the law you do not have a duty to back away. So him staying there was again perfectly legal just as it was perfectly legal for him to go outside.

it was almost perfectly legal for the old man to walk in the grass.  I mean, they could charge him with trespassing I guess.

[tonymctones]

it was almost perfectly legal for the old man to walk in the grass.  I mean, they could charge him with trespassing I guess.

Agreed which is why this is what the sheriff called it...

[24KT]

It's not trespassing unless you tell the person to leave or get off your property.

He didn't, he told the man to identify himself, ...which in the dark, could be reasonably interpreted as an invitation to come forward.

Bottom line is this Iraqi war vet was scared of a shadow. No wonder it was such a shit storm over there.

[OzmO]

I wonder if Hendrix has PTSD

[240 is Back]

Agreed which is why this is what the sheriff called it...

keep in mind, the sheriff's job is to get the DA a whole lotta evidence - NOT get Hendrix a little trophy for marksmanship.

Police will often put out friendly messages in the press to keep the shooter talking.  Remember them patting zimmerman on the back as he walked them thru the crime scene for the 3rd time, burying himself with exaggerations. 

We should NEVER jut believe what the police tell us - they are allowed to lie in order to get more info, and it's very effective.  They will spend 1-3 weeks talking to him, recording everything - then they write down inconsistencies and hand it to the DA, who decides if they charge.

The police on the scene, the police speaking, the police doing interviews - they don't decide anything - They just try to punch holes in Hendrix's recollection.  If the police are using the word 'trespassing', I bet Hendrix is too.  IF IF IF the premise for his justification for shooting is trespassing, oh man, it's bad for Hendrix. 

[Dos Equis]

Certianly an element of fear, but one thats based on zero forced entry, no active entry and thr police on thier way, and the logic that if a situation is truely dangerous with even the possibility of immient danger or death the last thing a really fearful reasonable man is going to do is leave thier wife, defenseless.  Therefore the element of fear is not one a reasonable man would need to make him believe he needs to leave his house and if it was, which any reasonable man would agree, then leaving his wife alone is probably ok. 

This man made a serious mistake and irresponsibly killed someone.  Something a reasonable man would not do.  I am a reasonable man.  I would not in any part of this feel like i needed to shoot this guy the way hendrix did.  I have outlined a resonable course of action a reasonable responsible man with a gun do.  And some of you have agreed youd do some of those things too. 

It is desperately sad and he should face consequences. 

I am a reasonable man.  I don't know what I would have done. 

And confronting an intruder on his own property was the opposite of leaving his fiancé defenseless.

The man made a reasonable mistake.   

[OzmO]

Its not, becuase for you to leave the house you have to reasonably believe she is safe. Which means you were safe.  Or if you felt that threatened why would you leave your house thats not being forcibly broken into?

[Dos Equis]

Its not, becuase for you to leave the house you have to reasonably believe she is safe. Which means you were safe.  Or if you felt that threatened why would you leave your house thats not being forcibly broken into?

He could have believed she was safe, or believed they were both in danger from the intruder.  He took the more aggressive approach, on his own property.  Nothing wrong with that. 

[OzmO]

He could have believed she was safe, or believed they were both in danger from the intruder.  He took the more aggressive approach, on his own property.  Nothing wrong with that. 

Not saying there is something wrong with what he did in leaving the house, what i am saying is that his actions indicate his level of fear.   If he really feared for thier lives why leave a safe house thats not being forced into with police on thr way, and a gun in your possession?   Reasonable people who think hendrix is not guilty have said they would have stayed inside too. 

[Dos Equis]

Not saying there is something wrong with what he did in leaving the house, what i am saying is that his actions indicate his level of fear.   If he really feared for thier lives why leave a safe house thats not being forced into with police on thr way, and a gun in your possession?   Reasonable people who think hendrix is not guilty have said they would have stayed inside too. 

Reasonable people also think leaving his house, but staying on his own property, under the circumstances was reasonable.  I guess we could say reasonable minds disagree?   

[OzmO]

Very reasonable, but not if he is really fearful of imminent harm or death.   Thats why leaving the house is very telling of his state of mind in terms of degree of fear.