Australia of Peace...

[BIG AL MCKECHNIE]

Oh Brother, the guns equal masculinity card when it is the complete opposite.  You have the gun because you are afraid and too cowardly to live without one.  

Sadly this is the total truth.  Typical American man these days has low testosterone levels and lives in fear. He needs his metal friend to give him confidence.

Look at Stallone. After 9 11 he actually stopped flying for months in case a terrorist got him.

Typical dumb weak American lacking in courage.

[Radical Plato]

Any man who has a family should have at least a rifle or a handgun. Or it means he s not really a man or doesnt really love his family.

You foreigners do, we don't. It's just a tool. Stop thinking that what you see in the media and movies is reality. Make your own judgment.

Uberman certainly does.  Maybe you should read your own thread.

And the crazy part is you believe your belief is made from independant thought, you live in a Country that tears apart anybody who espouses the unpopular idea of gun control.  Those who are pro gun are simply responding to what they see in the media, the media has told them what to think, and they think it.  You are like a Muslim raised in the middle east claiming you chose to believe in Islam, and that you came to the belief on your own.

Farmers owning guns for predator control to protect livestock - NORMAL
Hunters owning guns to obtain a feed - NORMAL
Police and Military owning guns to protect civilians and country - NORMAL
The majority of the population owning guns for self protection because they are terrified of their own shadows - CRAZY !

[Quickerblade]

Sadly this is the total truth.  Typical American man these days has low testosterone levels and lives in fear. He needs his metal friend to give him confidence.

Look at Stallone. After 9 11 he actually stopped flying for months in case a terrorist got him.

Typical dumb weak American lacking in courage.

first I have heard of this. are you sure, even if so, I like him, I don't want a terrorist to kill him neither.

[Teutonic Knight]

They had a gun amnesty here in Oz when everyone except the criminals handed in their weapons. So you stats make sense.

It is almost impossible to own a hand gun. No pump action shotguns, just double barrel, no auto rifles. Even slug guns are illegal without a permit.

Australia's gun laws suck, we are not allowed to protect our family or property.

1 of my friends handed in brand new AK47 (Saigon trophy) & was paid $ 700 by cops for it  
I wanted to strangle him.

[Teutonic Knight]

Australia, much respect. We got Vince, booty, and Tony, all very intelligent Aussies. And then we got Mr. Teutonic Knight. Can you guys please explain this illegible oddity?

Thanks 4 "love" compliment  Mr.Mabo

[Teutonic Knight]

No need to be sorry bro,to hell with him if he wants to be a jerk!

Visit NT of Oz & 

[Alex23]

The majority of the population owning guns for self protection because they are terrified of their own shadows - CRAZY !

You're misinformed. Go read the 2nd Amendement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

[Radical Plato]

You're misinformed. Go read the 2nd Amendement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Who cares what the Constitution says?  Didn't the constitution endorse slavery until it was amended.  Just as a slave owner could have pointed to the so called validity of such an act by citing the Constitution, doesn't make slave ownership ethical.  Laws that cannot be changed based on circumstance are laws that can only enslave, not set people free.  The argument is, does liberal and lax gun ownership laws make everyone freer or more enslaved.  Obviously for the children of mass school shootings they weren't liberated by such lax laws, so while such lax gun laws may make you FEEL safer, they may even make some people safer, but they don't make everyone safer.  Such laws obviously endanger many innocent people, so I would argue they only create a bigger divide between who is safe and who isn't, also making it more unpredictable to determine who is safer and who isn't.  You would think in a society with such liberal gun laws as America has, an expert marksman like Chris Kyle who was an expert in the use of guns, had a personal arsenal of them would never have to fear being shot by another man with a gun.  If all you need to be safe is some guns and training in their use, then what about Chris Kyle, if such a man isn't safe from being murdered by a gun in America, who is?

[Alex23]

Who cares what the Constitution says?  Didn't the constitution endorse slavery until it was amended. 

mmm... we Americans do, it's our right. You should stick to Aussie affairs chief, such as Kangaroo regulations, Koala adoption and Outback SteakHouse.

The word slavery was never used in the original Constitution for a reason. The founding fathers did not want the Constitution to enforce nor endorse slavery. Most were against it. The 13th Amendment abolished slavery.

It's our right to defend ourselves and our family. End of the story.

[ZOD]

mmm... we Americans do, it's our right. You should stick to Aussie affairs chief, such as Kangaroo regulations, Koala adoption and Outback SteakHouse.

The word slavery was never used in the original Constitution for a reason. The founding fathers did not want the Constitution to enforce nor endorse slavery. Most were against it. The 13th Amendment abolished slavery.

It's our right to defend ourselves and our family. End of the story.

This guy isn't american?

Ahaha add another internet peasant to the list.

I can't get over how warm and fuzzy I feel when I foreigners engage in american politics.

If you're an american reading this, pat yourself on the back, we did it!

[Alex23]

This guy isn't american?

Ahaha add another internet peasant to the list.

I can't get over how warm and fuzzy I feel when I foreigners engage in american politics.

If you're an american reading this, pat yourself on the back, we did it!

LOL I hear you... beyond all the hate, still the greatest experiment in democracy in human history. They're engaged because they envy us. It's just funny how their local media glasses distorts everything they later regurgitate. Although not as bad as it used to be with the internets.

[nasum]

Far from a fair comparison Maddy!

There are over 2,000 crimes recorded per 100,000 population in the U.K., compared to 466 violent crimes per 100,000" in the United States.

No they're aren't. That meme deliberately misinterprets crime data to make the UK look bad.

The Uk police force considers violent crime to be anything that involves and attack on a person i.e. assault without injury. Whereas the USA statistics only counts violent crime as rape, armed robbery, assault with injury, and murder. It is an apples to oranges comparison and anyone without a biased agenda would consider it invalid.

Poverty and social inequity fuel violent crime, not gun control. If you want to see a nation with low crime look at the united arab emirates.

[webcake]

We're all a product of our environment, if you grow up with guns, you are going to want to continue owning guns. If you grow up without firearms, fair to say if the government decides you can't own one (or more accurately, implements quite strict ownership and licensing requirements) you are probably going to be not that phased by it.

I'm an Aussie, however most of my family are American and it's funny how this is probably one of the few topics that seems to always divide opinions.

[webcake]

No they're aren't. That meme deliberately misinterprets crime data to make the UK look bad.

The Uk police force considers violent crime to be anything that involves and attack on a person i.e. assault without injury. Whereas the USA statistics only counts violent crime as rape, armed robbery, assault with injury, and murder. It is an apples to oranges comparison and anyone without a biased agenda would consider it invalid.

Poverty and social inequity fuel violent crime, not gun control. If you want to see a nation with low crime look at the united arab emirates.

Is it true that most cops in the UK don't carry firearms? When on general duties and the like...

[Mawse]

I come from a country where decades of socialists have conditioned the population to be afraid of guns. Shame really, but at least they have knives to stab each other with.

I'm buying a sig p226 mk 25 in a couple of weeks , god bless the USA.

[GRACIE JIU-JITSU]

 Funny thing is: Murica's gov is spying on everybody "including Muricans" basicaly Murica is minding everybody business. But when someone say something about Murica, murican's reply back saying "mind your business". lol

  Example: if by telling someone to "mind their business" was a slap in the face.

 Here is a much bigger slap.
  The whole world is telling Murica, mind your business.

[James28]

stfu old cracked leathery delusional caunt. Only happened in your aging head.

Go put another layer of foundation on that orange skin, cracked thing you call a face.

Haha

Alex, you're alright by me my friend.

I'm happy another guy notice what an ageing vile turd this attention-seeking whore is.

Glad you're not one of the 'manly' pussies that fall all over themselves  the moment this horrid creature feels like its hourly dose of attention.

[Radical Plato]

mmm... we Americans do, it's our right. You should stick to Aussie affairs chief, such as Kangaroo regulations, Koala adoption and Outback SteakHouse.

The word slavery was never used in the original Constitution for a reason. The founding fathers did not want the Constitution to enforce nor endorse slavery. Most were against it. The 13th Amendment abolished slavery.

It's our right to defend ourselves and our family. End of the story.

Ironically, the very thing you need to defend yourself from is the very thing you promote.  By promoting virtually unrestricted gun ownership you only endanger your family more.

It's a striking paradox that those who want strict gun control argue the very same thing, the right to defend themselves and their family, they just believe that there their family is safer in a society that has strict gun regulations.  Here in Australia, we haven't had a mass shooting in 17 years, school children in America are without a doubt far more vulnerable because of their lax gun laws.  If American parents who promote such lax gun laws have done so to protect themselves and their families, the long list of murdered school children by crazed gunmen is a testament to how much they have utterly failed themselves and their children and their families.

If the average Americans goal in promoting lax gun laws is to protect the most vulnerable members of their community, the children, then they have failed miserably.  I don't really care what Americans do, their whole culture is batshit crazy, but don't pretend your gun culture makes you and your family safer, just admit you have personal insecurities that can't be appeased any other way.

[Radical Plato]

I come from a country where decades of socialists have conditioned the population to be afraid of guns. Shame really, but at least they have knives to stab each other with.

I'm buying a sig p226 mk 25 in a couple of weeks , god bless the USA.

But isn't gun ownership for self defense purposes based on ones fear of being killed by an armed assailant.  Don't people who own guns do so because they are afraid of other people who own guns.  And if anything can be used as a murderous weapon, why own a gun? Just use a knife or a shovel or something.  Why specifically a gun?

[Ropo]

Crime rates were on their way down, the gun ban had absolutely no affect. That's irrelevant though, you don't take away people's rights because there are criminals.

Well, gun control and gun ban are basically really simple matters. First of all you have to realize, that no matter what you do, at the best you will have control only for the guns owned by law abiding citizens. Sadly enough, those guns are no threat anybody but criminals, so what is the point? Only what you do, is increase the number of defenseless victims. Criminals will always have their guns, and every gun ban country has seen massive increase of the illegal trafficking of arms. Why not, because gun ban make it to be big business, while every fucking imbecile wants illegal gun.

Same time in Estonia, which was after the CCCP era one of the most criminal countries of the world, they start to give permits for self defense guns to law abiding citizens. What happen? In first decade, they more than half the statistic about the homicides, and some crime types drop over 70%. Now, in gun related homicides Estonia is far behind Finland, which do not give any gun permits for self defense. Funny enough in same time we have seen massive increase of Estonian criminals working in Finland, so what lower the statistic in Estonia, increase them in Finland where nobody has any means of self defense.  

[Kim Jong Bob]

You Americans are obsessed with Guns.  This thread is just deja-vu.  The stats provided at the start of this thread are just made up, hence the reason they have no link to the source reference. Back in 2000 the Australian Attorney General Daryl Williams accused the NRA of falsifying Australian government statistics and urged the NRA to "remove any reference to Australia" from its website.

The majority of gun crime today is between rival bikie gangs and organised criminals.  The majority of Australia are for gun control as they recognise the need to live in a society without regular mass shooting or school shootings as more important than owning a gun for the unlikely need for self defense in the home.  Since the legislation there has been NO MASS Shootings.  

Having said that, gun control is unlikely to work in USA, there are already too many guns in circulation and the average American is borderline Crazy.
 

its so qute how you aussies call bikers for bikies

[smoothasf]

You are ranked 1st for MURDERS (not self defense/accident)with guns in the usa, 600 times higher  than in the UK.  You are 25%more likely to get punched in the nose in the UK than the US but I'd take that over getting shot.  The UK has a much much bigger drug problem.
When you look at victim crimes you need to then say are guns protecting me and my property?  You are just as likely to get raped in the US as the UK both pretty low, however car theft is 3 times higher in the US than the uk.  Though you have much more crime we have 4% more violent crime but these don't result in death. We tend to have a punch up and that's as far as it goes. Despite having the highest gun mortality in the world you still have the highest number of incarcerated citizens by far.  If guns worked they'd all be dead.
I love the US and love vacations there.it's the only county other than the UK I can visit and feel like I will get as good if not better than home hospital care if I were to hurt myself. The people are on the whole very friendly, they don't know how to party as hard as us ( due to the lack of drugs probably lol).

You absolutely have a right to defend your family and property but guns are not working and never have.  However as you lucky bastards are allowed to kill people who try to harm you or your property why don't you concentrate on having cars security that can kill a car their/burglar.  Have armed security at school or an armed headmaster.  Guns have a place but not in the hands of everyone.

[webcake]

its so qute how you aussies call bikers for bikies

You like the big men in leather, huh?

[Kim Jong Bob]

You like the big men in leather, huh?

only if they call themself bikers..bikies sounds so ghey

[Nomad]

abs = Australian Bureau of Statistics.

Does that include suicides?

Take out the suicides statistics and I bet there will be a smaller decrease.