how much would an average pro spend on juice in a year?

[Oliver Klaushof]

but remember this... it's the talent pool too. more and more people take steroids so would-be great naturals aren't natural any more. so the top naturals aren't necesarily the best. also what i said about people retiring is true. let's take Yates. Sure he still works out but he probably doesn't follow a great diet and he probably misses workouts all the time because it doesn't matter any more.

The genetic difference - and that's only if there is a significant difference - between naturals and pros - wouldn't be huge enough to constitute the tremendous difference in size.

[Oliver Klaushof]

Almost all top naturals compete at a bodyweight of 190 - 220

Top IFBB pros compete at 240 - 270

[gibberj2]

of course juice is the biggest factor between natural and not but a pro who gets off juice can still look good if he keeps training as if for competition but who ever does that?

[jwb]

I have to agree that the biggest abusers I have met are the fringe amateurs that never seem to breakthrough to the pros. They get quite large but they have no shape...

[Hurricane Beef !]

Are you still placing ads for guys to but-slam you while your wife watches?  How's that working out

Considering you were the only one answering them,  I decided to stop with the adds and just work out a weekly . . .  Are we still on for Friday night?

And don't forget the cowboy hat

Beef