Men who are physically strong are more likely to have right wing political views

[The True Adonis]

consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds - Emerson

Here you were, doing EXACTLY what Orwell abhorred.  Using him, a staunch Socialist, to argue for your Conservative agenda.

Up is down, down is up and left is right?  Is that how it works.

Or is Ignorance simply your strength?

[tu_holmes]

Totally. It's all good though because the draft was abolished!

LOL 

He didn't say abolished... he said "ended".

That is a correct statement.

[_aj_]

I am not sure that I get why it's so important for you to point out that Orwell was a socialist. He wrote a book about a dystopian future that, at times, appears to be prescient. Pointing out that an author's unhappy vision of the future is coming true matters not what the author's political views are, but what the political views of the current administration that is attempting to embody that dystopian vision.

[_bruce_]

The strong eats the fresh of the weak.
Its natural and golden rule.
Just you cant handle the truth

Rice cake eaten by weak -> weak eaten by strong -> strong eaten by taxes... perfect eco system.

[The True Adonis]

I am not sure that I get why it's so important for you to point out that Orwell was a socialist. He wrote a book about a dystopian future that, at times, appears to be prescient. Pointing out that an author's unhappy vision of the future is coming true matters not what the author's political views are, but what the political views of the current administration that is attempting to embody that dystopian vision.

Because I find it amusing that Orwell wrote 1984 to demonstrate why Totalitarianism is dangerous and why Socialism is the ideal, yet you have "Conservative" (I use that term loosely) morons using Orwell to disparage Socialism.  Its downright maddening, ignorant and is the EXACT behavior that Orwell was trying to highlight in his book.  Orwell envisioned a completely Socialist society to cure the ills of Totalitarianism as well as to fix some of the unfair pitfalls of capitalism.  I for one, do not like seeing Orwell misused, especially when the ones doing so are using his works in the manner Orwell was warning us against.

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength

Using the Socialist works of a devout Socialist to argue against Socialism in order to further a "Conservative" or "Capitalist" agenda without knowing any of this beforehand but claiming Orwell as one of their own is just insane.  Sorry if you can`t see it that way.  Perhaps you and the others just don`t understand Orwell or 1984.

[The True Adonis]

In fact, just last year the BBC declined to put up a statue of George Orwell because he was "too left wing".

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2012/aug/22/bbc-george-orwell-statue-left-wing


BBC George Orwell statue turned down as 'too left-wing'
Joan Bakewell reports director general Mark Thompson turned down proposal 'flat'

[_aj_]

Because I find it amusing that Orwell wrote 1984 to demonstrate why Totalitarianism is dangerous and why Socialism is the ideal, yet you have "Conservative" (I use that term loosely) morons using Orwell to disparage Socialism.  Its downright maddening, ignorant and is the EXACT behavior that Orwell was trying to highlight in his book.  Orwell envisioned a completely Socialist society to cure the ills of Totalitarianism as well as to fix some of the unfair pitfalls of capitalism.  I for one, do not like seeing Orwell misused, especially when the ones doing so are using his works in the manner Orwell was warning us against.

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength

Using the Socialist works of a devout Socialist to argue against Socialism in order to further a "Conservative" or "Capitalist" agenda without knowing any of this beforehand but claiming Orwell as one of their own is just insane.  Sorry if you can`t see it that way.  Perhaps you and the others just don`t understand Orwell or 1984.

If that pisses you off, you must walk around pretty damn angry with everything then.

[ZOD]

He didn't say abolished... he said "ended".

That is a correct statement.

 Actually, it's not. Let's try this one more time.

Vietnam War, the draft, and the Pentagon Papers

President Richard Nixon had campaigned in 1968 on a promise to end the U.S. military draft,[52][53] a decision endorsed by the February 1970 report of the Gates Commission.[52][54] The existing draft law was scheduled to conclude at the end of June 1971, and the Senate faced a contentious debate about whether to extend it as the Vietnam War continued.[55] The Nixon administration announced in February 1971 that it wanted a two-year extension to June 1973, after which the draft would end;[56][57] Army planners had already been operating under the assumption of a two-year extension, after which an all-volunteer force would be in place.[58] Skeptics such as Senate Armed Services Committee chairman John Stennis thought this unrealistic and wanted a four-year extension,[56] but the two-year proposal is what went forward in Congress.[55] By early May 1971, Gravel had indicated his intention to filibuster the draft renewal legislation, halting conscription and thereby bringing U.S. involvement in the war to a rapid end.[59]

By June 1971, some Democratic senators opposed to the war wanted to limit the renewal to a one-year extension, while others wanted to end it immediately;[55] Gravel reiterated that he was one of the latter, saying, "It's a senseless war, and one way to do away with it is to do away with the draft."[55] A Senate vote on June 4 indicated majority support for the two-year extension.[55] On June 18 Gravel announced again his intention to counteract that by filibustering the renewal legislation,[60] defending the practice against those who associated it only with blocking civil rights legislation.[60] The first filibuster attempt failed on June 23 when, by three votes, the Senate voted cloture for only the fifth time since 1927.[61]

Protracted negotiations took place over House conference negotiations on the bill, revolving in large part around Senate Majority Leader Mike Mansfield's eventually unsuccessful amendment to tie renewal to a troop withdrawal timetable from Vietnam; during this time the draft law expired and no more were conscripted.[62] On August 5, the Nixon administration pleaded for a renewal before the Senate went on recess, but Gravel blocked Stennis's attempt to limit debate, and no vote was held.[63]Finally on September 21, 1971, the Senate invoked cloture over Gravel's second filibuster attempt by one vote, and then passed the two-year draft extension.[62] Gravel's attempts to stop the draft had failed[40] (notwithstanding Gravel's later claims that he had stopped or shortened the draft, taken at face value in some media reports, during his 2008 presidential campaign).[nb 3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Gravel

There goes that crock of shit.

[The True Adonis]

If that pisses you off, you must walk around pretty damn angry with everything then.

I DO NOT like ignorance.

[The Ugly]

In all of history, which country has pulled off this socialistic utopia, TA? Whom do you point to as a model?

[6 Reps]

Mmmm... let's see... Phil Heath, Kai Green, Shawn Rhoden, Dexter Jackson... Ronnie Coleman, Flex Wheeler, Chris Cormier, Shawn Ray... these guys are or were among the most muscular men in the world.  I'm sure they all voted for Mitt Romney in the 2012 Presidential race.

[shootfighter1]

tu...you voted libertarian?  Yes!!!

The religious right has less influence on the republican party than they used to, they are a faction of the party but a shrinking one as other factions (like libertarian conservatives) grow.  You hear about the fringe in mainstream media more because it gets them ratings!  Don't trust the media without an analytical mind and looking for bias!  
There are a lot more fiscal and personal freedom conservatives now.  If the republicans want to win any big elections in swing states, they must concentrate on a fiscal, personal freedom and limited government message.

Adonis, you are very interesting....smart, good points but sometime view a topic from an unconventional angle and pure definitions that aren't necessarily commonplace to today's version of the parties.  I would be absolutely fine with a consumption only tax and eliminating federal income tax.  If you consider that socialistic, then sign me up.  The left in this country would want both income & consumption taxes and take more from people to fund bigger government and bigger programs.  The liberals in this country are not pure socialists, according to what you write...they are big government control.  Socially liberal but functionally totalitarian and willing to support too many takers.  I imagine in true socialism there would be standards to hold people to in order to have their share.  Interesting....

[shootfighter1]

Totalitarianism is what links German Nazis and Soviet-type communism....and what I see as the antithesis to personal freedom.  Today's liberals are more totalitarian in many ways.  Today's libertarian and fiscal conservatives champion personal freedom, choice and less centralized government.

[Archer77]

Totalitarianism is what links German Nazis and Soviet-type communism....and what I see as the antithesis to personal freedom.  Today's liberals are more totalitarian in many ways.

I agree.  Liberals want to control what a person thinks.  They also do whatever they can to quiet dissent by shaming and ostracizing anyone who disagrees with their world view.  I was entrenched in the liberal world for a long time and this is my personal experience.

[Voice of Doom]

Here you were, doing EXACTLY what Orwell abhorred.  Using him, a staunch Socialist, to argue for your Conservative agenda.

Up is down, down is up and left is right?  Is that how it works.

Or is Ignorance simply your strength?

I'm not arguing for the 'conservative' agenda.  I'm just quoting Orwell's definition of a liberal.

Almost the only persons who may be said to comprehend even approximately the significance, principles, and purposes of Socialism are the chief leaders of the extreme wings of the Socialistic forces, and perhaps a few of the money kings themselves. - Benjamin Tucker

[sean]

So basically if your perfectly fit, with no health problems and no experience with true adversity your more likely to believe in a do it yourself attitude what a surprise.


This kind of emotional reasoning is fucking retarded.

We live in a mixed economy deal with it,  no matter how right  wing or left wing a country is your taxes and services provided are gonna be relatively equal when you factor in the geographic distribution in that country.

IF what you're saying sounds like I think it does, I'd agree yes. Often, I debate my daily toil as I watch those on Section 8 housing and Medi-cal coverage live equally invigorating and rich lives as those that work to pay a house payment and their own medical (amongst other things like their own food bill. Im yet to come to a conclusion on what is best.

[Thick Nick]

Sooo...Let's take inventory shall we?

We currently have the most liberal president ever (also black), most big spending liberal congress ever, the most liberal time in US history (gay marriage etc.),  Obamacare, and the list goes on and there is no sign of this changing no matter what party is in charge.

Yet somehow, we are also living in the most totalitarian time in the US history... spying, gun grabbing, drone killing, drone killing US citizen, indefinite prison terms with no trial, printing lists of gun owners names etc.

TA so much fail yet again. So much.

Socialism Utopia... IE jumbo shrimp.

[The True Adonis]

Sooo...Let's take inventory shall we?

We currently have the most liberal president ever (also black), most big spending liberal congress ever, the most liberal time in US history (gay marriage etc.),  Obamacare, and the list goes on and there is no sign of this changing no matter what party is in charge.

Yet somehow, we are also living in the most totalitarian time in the US history... spying, gun grabbing, drone killing, drone killing US citizen, indefinite prison terms with no trial, printing lists of gun owners names etc.

TA so much fail yet again. So much.

Socialism Utopia... IE jumbo shrimp.

Obama IS NOT governing like a liberal.  Ronald Reagan`s record is more liberal. Hope this helps.

[The True Adonis]

Hope this helps

Ronald Reagan more Liberal than Obama

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/dylan-ratigan-show/38113765#38113765

[Thick Nick]

Obama IS NOT governing like a liberal.  Ronald Reagan`s record is more liberal. Hope this helps.

Please stop. If you want to continue perpetrating the myth that you are some sort of intellectual, I recommend you just stop posting in this thread all together. It's good advice you should heed.

[Thick Nick]

Hope this helps

Ronald Reagan more Liberal than Obama

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/dylan-ratigan-show/38113765#38113765

NBC news source. Like I said just stop. Your moving into short bus territory. Get out now while you still can.

[The True Adonis]

Please stop. If you want to continue perpetrating the myth that you are some sort of intellectual, I recommend you just stop posting in this thread all together. It's good advice you should heed.

You have been exposed.  But, in true right wing fashion, somehow you still don`t get it.

[Thick Nick]

Sooo...Let's take inventory shall we?

We currently have the most liberal president ever (also black), most big spending liberal congress ever, the most liberal time in US history (gay marriage etc.),  Obamacare, and the list goes on and there is no sign of this changing no matter what party is in charge.

Yet somehow, we are also living in the most totalitarian time in the US history... spying, gun grabbing, drone killing, drone killing US citizen, indefinite prison terms with no trial, printing lists of gun owners names etc.

TA so much fail yet again. So much.

Socialism Utopia... IE jumbo shrimp.

Read this one more time. Then read what you have been posting.

I am still laughing at you. It's that funny.

The left leads to totalitarian regimes... History says so... Our current situation says so... But since TA says otherwise, it has to be true. Seriously you should just stop. Your bad at this.

[The True Adonis]

Read this one more time. Then read what you have been posting.

I am still laughing at you. It's that funny.

The left leads to totalitarian regimes... History says so... Our current situation says so... But since TA says otherwise, it has to be true. Seriously you should just stop. Your bad at this.

Orwell says otherwise.

[Thick Nick]

Orwell says otherwise.

Mao, Che, Obama, Hitler, every historian ever, and anyone with a brain, would disagree.

Good thing an author of fiction makes you case for you though.