The offseason myth

[Cleanest Natural]

It took him 3 months between the 2 shots. I did his diet and stack (after he ditched the fat naturally he got on hormones for 4 weeks)

My diet is protein, greens, healthy fats .. for weight-loss

For getting ripped, I do lean meats and greens..nothing else. Disgusted does the same I believe. He can chime in if I am wrong




Here's what I eat normally (for burning fat without drugs)

[Cleanest Natural]

This is a few days worth of food..

[galeniko]

arent you on scripted growth

that can mess your system up

regarding insulin sensitivity etc

he is and yes.

by his blood glucose levels alone, its obvious the insulin sensitivty is quite bad for him.

he says carbs make the muscle grow, lol, this is ridiculous.the body doesnt work like that.

if that were the case one could eat 100% carbs only and grow muscle, i dont see that happening.

carbs cannot physicaly be turned into muscle.carbs can only help prevent muscle tissue from fading during diet, or encourage more protein to be turned into muscle.

hes forgiven, hes very small as of now, he will learn if he grows some size eventualy.

it comes down to this.

train hard.inject often, eat plenty protein, and bit of the other macros.

and give it time.thats it.time.

sure with the muscle groth there will be times of water bloat, so what,thats the price

[Disgusted]

It took him 3 months between the 2 shots. I did his diet and stack (after he ditched the fat naturally he got on hormones for 4 weeks)

My diet is protein, greens, healthy fats .. for weight-loss

For getting ripped, I do lean meats and greens..nothing else. Disgusted does the same I believe. He can chime in if I am wrong


Here's what I eat normally (for burning fat without drugs)

Yep I use beef fish chicken eggs greens. I keep it simple adjust things when needed, this is key!! to keep the progress going, that's the hardest part of it.

[galeniko]

This can not be true anymore that you could breath under water. A lot of times when people get fat they feel like they are big and or growing more.

ha yes this is tyoical.

i forgot this reasining bc i lost that mindset long ago.

as soon the clthes fit much tighter evry quickly, something s wrong.

whats growing is not muscle.

allways watch the midsection.always.

i read 3 very good scientific books on the matter, all from reputated docs and profesors,the body will first build up visceral fat, it wont show subcutane.
by the time the subcutane fat becomes obvious, the body has already fattened up badly insid the gut.badly.

good thing, the visceral fat can be done away wuickly with the proper,but drastic measures.

obvious point,but typical for newcomers.

they overestimate how fast or slow muscle grow.

the water and cellular inside muscle bloof up has nothing to do with muscle growht.

[wes]

Personally,I do eat carbs as I just like them,but I always keep them very low.

I don`t see how some guys on the web,no matter how fucking big they are talk about eating 600-1000 grams of carbs ED......WTF

A surefire recipe to get fat in a hurry in my opinion.

Here`s a tip I tell almost anyone who wants to trim down, and that is to either train in a fasted state,or to train without any carbs in the system......starchy carbs that is.

From my experience,most people who say they need carbs while dieting just lack discipline.

Spiking your insulin levels to skyhigh proportions throughout the day and night will get you fat since insulin is a fat storage hormones.

A bit off topic kind of,but fatties who sit and eat sugary junk all day are constantly spiking their insulin levels and look where it gets them.

Carbs are NOT an essential macronutrient!!

[galeniko]

btw another thing about "carb sensitive".

yeah if one eats too many every day every meal, and is on gear which converts to estrogen AND is fat(bbuilding 10% IS fat, make no delusions about this), its gonna be a huge mess of water bloat recipe.

or when one eats 0 carbs then goes to 500 next day, could store some water, sure.
no need to panic if the day after you eat 200 only youll appear much less boaty and better leans.

must learn how man carbs body can store or its all doomed to failure.

the more real muscle and the better insulin sensitivity,the more carbs one can get away with a.easy as.

and well, duh,activity levels.sitting at home waiting for the growth to kick in will not burn much energy.and the 30minutes in gym swining dumbells burns fuck all calories,lol.

to much eating is always the logical counter effect of a general lazy person.

a well filled person wont feel much like moving around alot.

[Tedim]

It's genetics

[Cleanest Natural]

sorry this shit is not working saying file too big, will sort out later

It would be sad if you would turn out to be a gimmick.

[wes]

Uncle Juniors pics already posted here:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=512460.100

[Cleanest Natural]

Jesus christ have a little bit of faith I just spend half an hour downloading this gimp shit, then scribbling crap all over my face on whole of 12 pics, trying to upload them for it to first say, it only accepts gif and jpg file extentions, then changed all the file extention's for it to say file too big.

right now i want to punch a wall.

I am so fed up with life, really I am.

I am going to smoke a cigarette and try doing it again, cos that's what I am like, I won't quit something I started till I finish it, even though its 12.00 at night, im tired and i have to get to go to gym at 6.00 tomorrow before starting work at 9.00

I am really a gimmick, this doesn't mean jack shit to me off course not, I didn't spent all my life last year living in the gym and losing 80lbs in 7 months.

You will understand once I post pics.

If this is you, you are 2 months away from 8% or even less if you do what I suggested ..

[galeniko]

You know what he means, it just needs to be read between the lines.

He means he's a fatass. He feels "skinny" without carbs, so he feasts all day because when his fatceps lose circumference it makes him feel small and subsequently insecure. That's why he thinks "carbs build his muscles" and eats way too much.

Well, eating carbs will mean a lot of glycogen retention in the skeletal muscle, considering how most of the volume is water + carbs or glycogen. But this guy's just fat, overthinks, and also thinks he knows more than he does which is a dangerous combination. Disgusted, you are a guru and shouldn't give this kid the time of day because he's dead set in his ways. I predict it will take a good 2-3 more years of overanalyzing and reading boards before this guy will truly get it.

Unfortunately this kid doesn't understand that he's arguing with a guru. Whatever Disgusted says, you can be assured that at least a solid 99.9% of it will be indisputable. He'll have more luck if he just drops everything he "knows" and blindly listens to Disgusted because he won't be steered wrong. I wouldn't waste anymore effort on this guy. We've all met the bodybuilding-know-it-alls before that are 20% body fat, read everything on the internet, and "do everything correctly" already.

yeah its funny he arguing with a guy who knows all the details etc and has prepped many to look phenomenal.

and yeah the carbo loading,and overeating.

works short term and then suddenly the insulin sensitivity is destroyed, and the muscles seem and feel flat even though one is severly overeating.
and by now, some 10-20lbs of pure fat have been gained.

the road to leans will be paved by alot feeling thin and depleted.many never pull it off,its too hard mentaly,thinking theyre small.

its easy, when youre small, youre small.

[che]

I  need my carbs when I diet , sweet potatos ,brown rice , rice cakes , oatmeal .

[Nicademus]

don't bother Disgusted, I have already offered him advice but he insist with this 500 grams a day of carbs because bla bla bla

no such thing as carb sensitivity by the way .. another dude with fixed ideas

Yup.  That mindset halts or prevents one's progress as much as anything.

[Cleanest Natural]

Listen. You don't have much muscle and you will not loose that much either. You have no business stepping on a scale. Just do what I suggested and stop trying to explain all this stuff. Best of luck to you.

[Cleanest Natural]

I  need my carbs when I diet , sweet potatos ,brown rice , rice cakes , oatmeal .

I have noticed this with people who have very fast metabolism. Obviously not Junior's case.

[Cleanest Natural]

listen man usually I do the pics from my iphone, I just downloaded this gimp piece of shit software that doesn't work on the pics i have on my computer, I am working on it now.

I don't lie man, I ain't like that

Aren't you british?

[wes]

Why is he acting like he doesn't know how to upload pics in this thread?

That`s what I was thinking because I distinctly remembered him posting those pics.  

Gimmick ?

[galeniko]

Disgusted or anyone, I've ran test and tren before with no AI or nothing, no issues. Dose like 300-500 in total.

Running npp for first time, 400mg a week - feel like shit for over a week, like test flu? Is my estrogen/prolactin high...got some adex on way but man...

adex wont help with da,npp and tren sides.

I  need my carbs when I diet , sweet potatos ,brown rice , rice cakes , oatmeal .

need and want not the same thing.

but yeah no problem one can get all striated everything with carbs in diet.

 

I have noticed this with people who have very fast metabolism. Obviously not Junior's case.

i have quite fast metabolism, bc being active alot etc.
i could have same conditioning on 200g carbs daily no problemo, i just choose to not have as many.

but 200 seems to be the tipping point,lol.

goes better if i altnernate the intake all couple days for some reason

[Cleanest Natural]

here's me getting shredded without drugs at 100g carbs a day

[che]

need and want not the same thing.

C'mon  Gayleniko I've been doing this shit longer than WES

[Cleanest Natural]

Bro I am listening, trust me I am listening. I had a lot more muscle.

you mistake fat and water for muscle size. Muscles are sponges. Think of them this way. Learn to get really lean and THEN you'll see whatever muscle you have. If you are going to go on and on about I don't know what it's clear that you do not comprehend ANY of this.. or you are here just to stir shit up

[galeniko]

Correct. Some people's insulin/carb sensitivity or whatever you want to call it doesn't work quickly or accurately enough. When someone's classified as a Type II Diabetic that means they're to the point where their insulin release and macronutrient partitioning is shot, requiring medical intervention with glucose disposal agents and/or exogenous insulin.

This guy isn't "carb sensitive". He just feels small if it doesn't eat enough carbs. Completely incorrect term he's using. A better one would be fearful permabulker. Everyone's been there at one point. You just have to look in the mirror and face the facts. Fix what you see in the mirror, don't worry about measurements or t-shirt sizes. He really needs to forget everything he thinks he knows and start committing to the advices in this thread. Without full commitment, he'll just hover where he is currently.

Uncle Junior, you have some of the best gurus offering their assistance. I urge you to listen to them. I used to be skinny, then I got fat and thought I was hyuuge, then I listened to people on these boards and got thick and shredded... so I dunno. I got in amazing shape listening to these guys. You have nothing to lose.

yes agreed, but the type 2 diabetes issue is fixable reltaively quickly with some drastic methods.i certainly would go for it.

he posted his glucose levels, fasted is quite very high and had one reading post meal that put him into diabetes 2 territory.

indeed hes getting the best advice here he could hope for.free and honest.

all all of it is consistent.should say everything,really.

C'mon  Gayleniko I've been doing this shit longer than WES

yah i know you had plenty more injections than wes

[che]

yah i know you had plenty more injections than wes

What ?   I thought WES  was natural

[galeniko]

you mistake fat and water for muscle size. Muscles are sponges. Think of them this way. Learn to get really lean and THEN you'll see whatever muscle you have. If you are going to go on and on about I don't know what it's clear that you do not comprehend ANY of this.. or you are here just to stir shit up

yes.

one can only understand true muscle size if they been in the 5% fat range.

before that, one cant even have a clue.

they feel they not realy as big as they want and try to compensate with the carbing up, eating up.

but the real truth is, the size you really got is whats left when at 5% and depleted.that will be the true size.

on the scale the numbers gona be dissapointing.
in the mirror,the result will be henomenal

What ?   I thought WES  was natural

hes pergfectly natural, he only uses that supplement with a label on it saying "trenbolona"

hes a true all hard work, haevy eating, repping 400 kinda guy