The offseason myth

[bigmc]

youll be much better off.


can start at 25% too, but youre better off when lean.


a fatso will have epic blood pressure issues when going on steroids, remember cswols purple face?

and all the food will go to all the wrong places.

if ones fatter than 10% and goes on gear, best to jump immediately on diet.if steroids must be.,

another things, the bodys fat cells produce estrogens.now if you add highly aromatizing steroids to that, its gonna be hard to lose fat.

at high bf use mild anabolics

and only when cutting hard

you wont get bad sides then

bad diet, high body fat and androgens equals disaster

i know from experience 

[kreator]

yep, high estrogen messes with thyroid hormones which regulate metabolism...

[Cleanest Natural]

you put your buddy on roids to turn him into that beast?

yes .. with a 4 week cycle he achieved that look which is pretty decent in my opinion. I know you look like shit because ANYONE who ever looked at least as good as him would give him props. This is not a seasoned bodybuilder but a former k1 fighter who learned bodybuilding 3 years ago and this was his second 4 week cycle ever.

[Cleanest Natural]

Listen brother I am not arguing with you, I am simply giving you the facts, ask galienko, fasting blood glucose levels of 6.2 nmol/l are not normal.

Anyway look if you are willing to help me and coach me I would gladly pay you.

But as a personal trainer I wouldn't be so quick to pre judge my clients without knowing their full history.

we will continue this conversation once I have posted some pics.

You have no idea I fat I was before, what I have done natty is nothing short of remarkable.

But I am not here looking for props or kudos, cos I am not happy, I am very unhappy, I am looking for people to take me to the next level.

Do me a favor and don't question my discipline or integrity or my heart and commitment cos I have those atributes in abundance.

anyway I'm tired and pissed off i need to sleep we talk tomorrow.

thanks for all you advice I don't want you to think it is not appreciated it because it most definately is.

also thank you very much to galienko for all the help, means alot.

all the best lads.

hope to emmulate in 2014.

I ain't a quitter.

god  bless

I am supportive of ou but you think you have some sort of intergalactic anomaly in your genetics which you do not. I do not bother with a prospective client who talks like you. The amount of money I charge for a transformation is not worth the headache to be honest to deal with this and that. I don't care about medical records. I teach you to eat healthy with a few twists. It is simple, straight forward and I believe I am more of a support system than anything .. I already told you what to eat and what to do in the gym.

[bigmc]

isnt the normal range 4 to 9

I don't see the problem with 6?

[Cleanest Natural]

isnt the normal range 4 to 9

I don't see the problem with 6?

there is no problem really

I'll tell you a story bigmc..

Yesterday I get a call from a friend .. "Gave your number to a guy, will call you for diet". Ok then. I meet the guy at night after working out. We sit down and like 90% of the people I meet for the first time he starts telling me his life story and what he eats (like him being 300lbs was not obvious enough that he is not a broccoli addict). He gets a cofee with BROWN sugar (because he wants to make the healthy choice   ).. and recieves a chocolate cookie on the side. I look at him yapping and think to myself (no way no how this guy will ever diet). Basically he has been fat since he was 8-10yo and hasn't stopped since. Family man, wife is very pretty and slim even after 2 kids. At this point I am 100% positive we will not work together. So I explained once more what my conditions are, he talked for another 1/2 an hour about his schedule, how he has to put his family first, etc. At the end, he told me he has a party on the 20th, and he will analyze the information and let it digest until then, then he'll contact me if he decides  

This morning someone woke me up with a call about a diet. We talked previously and he wanted to start after the holidays. I agreed and was surprised he followed through determined even.

Over the past 10 years, I helped over 100 people lose weight and talked to roughly 250-300 prospective clients like this guy. Here's what  have learned ..

"I will think about it" means he'll never do it.

Better to refuse helping a person if they are going to be undisciplined because they always blame it on you and bad publicity is just bad especially in a small town.

The ones serious about it, do not negociate or hesitate.

1 out of 10 will be disciplined and easy to work with.

when I was not sure of myself and did not understand things they doubted me .. when you know your stuff people never question you

before, my completion rate was 2/10 .. nowadays is 8/10 ..

you have to understand people and learn when to be gentle and permisive and when to be firm ,, it depends on the situation and the person

some people cannot be disciplined even though they try .. their impulses are stronger than their will .. don't beat yourself over it

the people who complete what they start with you, are great business cards and the BEST publicity

[kreator]

great post man

[wes]

If I had a nickel for every diet that I wrote out to help people get in shape, only to find that they never lasted more than a day or two,I`d be rich.

[bigmc]

If I had a nickel for every diet that I wrote out to help people get in shape, only to find that they never lasted more than a day or two,I`d be rich.

did they have nickels when you first started writing out diet plans

come to think of it did they have paper

[wes]

did the have nickels when you first started writing out diet plans

come to think of it did they have paper

Just woke up,too early to think up a witty retort!  LOL 

[stavios]

If I had a nickel for every diet that I wrote out to help people get in shape, only to find that they never lasted more than a day or two,I`d be rich.

x2

I don't even want to help people anymore even when they seem sincere

too many let downs and waste of my time

[Cleanest Natural]

did the have nickels when you first started writing out diet plans

come to think of it did they have paper

[wes]

x2

I don't even want to help people anymore even when they seem sincere

too many let downs and waste of my time

I avoid helping people also these days,unless they are a paying client.

I used to help tons of people out who were enthusiastic for a day to a week,only to quit once they realized it took work to get into shape and that just showing up at the gym wasn`t gonna` do it.

Total waste of my time.

[DroppingPlates]

I avoid helping people also these days,unless they are a paying client.

I used to help tons of people out who were enthusiastic for a day to a week,only to quit once they realized it took work to get into shape and that just showing up at the gym wasn`t gonna` do it.

Total waste of my time.

Most guys are more in love with the possible end result than "the journey" itself...
Good genetics help a lot, but it's mainly a mentality thing.

[dustin]

did the have nickels when you first started writing out diet plans

come to think of it did they have paper

Papyrus, bro.

I avoid helping people also these days,unless they are a paying client.

I used to help tons of people out who were enthusiastic for a day to a week,only to quit once they realized it took work to get into shape and that just showing up at the gym wasn`t gonna` do it.

Total waste of my time.

Same here. I used to stay up all night writing elite diet and training plans, watching people workout and formulating the most realistic, balanced and achievable plans of all time.  They were specifically tailored and absolutely guaranteed to get them in the best shape, because I'd be there every step making sure they were successful. Then I realized that those people just held out hope that I could sell them a magic diet pill or something and would barely do one or two workouts.

Are you fucking kidding me!? I'd tell them I'm not a dealer and I don't have magic pills. They'd still elbow me and shyly try to coerce me into selling me the secret pills. I TOLD THEM, THERE AREN'T ANY FUCKING SECRET PILLS!!! I poured me soul into what I did for people and all they really wanted was clen tabs or something, like it'd even do anything for their fat ass other than give them a heart attack. I don't help people at all anymore. I just tell them "Google it, bro. That's all I did". Fuck em!

Never do anything for free. There's no value in it and people will not give a shit. Charge them money and maybe they'll give it a shot. Lazy pieces of shit.

/roidrage

[CalvinH]

I  need my carbs when I diet , sweet potatos ,brown rice , rice cakes , oatmeal .

Same here.

[spiro]

Great thread! Been some solid info on here lately.

[Cleanest Natural]

I tried every possible approach. I tell people ahead of time what the diet consists of. Some friend were like "Dude, why are you telling them what's in the diet for free??"

"Relax, they need me not the diet details" 

I have never ever seen anyone do it on their own. On my facebook page I even have pics of everything I eat..posted them here as well. Every detail is there. I have a whole chapter in my book detailing the diet and training.

They need someone to help them UNDERSTAND then and guide them through the process. That's what they pay for.. Cause the technicalities are simple really.

Do you think Junior will take my exact advice and get in shape? No. He'll remain carb sensitive 

[bigmc]

I wrote a plan for a member of staff a few years ago

I spent hour detailing diet and training for three months

two hours later I caught her eating a take away pizza

that was the last time I bothered

[bigmc]

 

[Cleanest Natural]

see Junior? posts like this tell me you are a gimmick 

[CalvinH]

see Junior? posts like this tell me you are a gimmick 

Either that or a roid rage meltdown

[Cleanest Natural]

You wanna call me you can i'll give you my number and then we can chat, you wanna skype we can skype.

I ain't no gimmic

I am an honest person

you said that none of us can hang with you on low carbs .. 3-4 hours of mma..we take lots of drugs, etc

do you realize that there are people here who used to be athletes? or serious competitors who have done this to all possible extremes? or trainers who got hundreds of people into shape? or people like coach who trains some top MMA guys?

bottom line is, I want to give you the benefit of the doubt, but your posts scream idiot gimmick .. maybe I am wrong 

[Cleanest Natural]

Listen cleanest I have no problem with you, I actually respect you alot, the issue here is that I have multiple goals I am trying to manage.

good luck to you

[DroppingPlates]

Listen cleanest I have no problem with you, I actually respect you alot, the issue here is that I have multiple goals I am trying to manage.

Study time management.