Rand Paul: Texas Could Go Blue If GOP Doesn't Change

[StreetSoldier4U]

again you are confusing targeting with effecting...voter id laws are not written in a way to target any specific group. I have never seen a voter id law that requires minorities to do something more than what whites would have to do to enjoy the same benefit...

I never claimed minorities smoke more pot than whites, WTF is wrong with you?

See the amazing leap of logic employed by dimwit

[tonymctones]

how about affirmative action laws? do they target white males

[RRKore]

how to gun laws target white males?

Well, to really try to answer I guess I'd need to know which gun laws and where.

Any gun laws?

If it's some law about automatic weapons in Wyoming, then that law will primarily affect white guys.

If it's about handguns in DC, then...well, you know.

[RRKore]

Back pedaling and trying to redirect the conversation.  Sure signs that you have no proof.

Shush now.  Go play.

[tonymctones]

Well, to really try to answer I guess I'd need to know which gun laws and where.

Any gun laws?

If it's some law about automatic weapons in Wyoming, then that law will primarily affect white guys.

If it's about handguns in DC, then...well, you know.

assault weapons ban, Requiring CLEO's sign off on NFA gun trust, background checks...any one of the recent libtard ideas to help prevent mass shootings that wouldnt do shit...

[StreetSoldier4U]

Shush now.  Go play.

Please, this kind of behavior only demonstrates how much of an imbecile you are.  You've been trying desperately to redirect but you always fail.   You can't prove anything you claim with facts and you know it.  Your claim isn't about facts, it's about how you feel about the subject.  You need racism to be the answer because the alternative that blacks are more prone to criminality is something you will never ne willing to accept.  Your politics won't let you.

[RRKore]

again you are confusing targeting with effecting...voter id laws are not written in a way to target any specific group. I have never seen a voter id law that requires minorities to do something more than what whites would have to do to enjoy the same benefit...

Yes, but getting a state-issued picture ID is a hardship for the extremely poor.  And since blacks make up a disproportionate percentage of the extremely poor (and believe you me, repub marketing doods know this) the law is discriminatory.  Ya know if, as a part of the law, they would send around mobile gov't vehicles that could go to the poor people and give them cost-free ID's, then I wouldn't have a problem with voter ID laws.  Otherwise it's just some shit akin to gerrymandering that was cooked up by Karl Rove-types to try to effect election outcomes by semi-shady methods.

I never claimed minorities smoke more pot than whites, WTF is wrong with you?

I inferred that because you said something along the lines of that when higher prosecution rates of one group are higher than that of another it's just because the first group commits more offenses.  So I thought you'd assume that the reason  a higher percentage of blacks are prosecuted for MJ crimes than white folks is because blacks just smoked pot more.  (And not because cops let more white kids go  --- because that'd be racist.)

[RRKore]

Please, this kind of behavior only demonstrates how much of an imbecile you are.  You've been trying desperately to redirect but you always fail.   You can't prove anything you claim with facts and you know it.  Your claim isn't about facts, it's about how you feel about the subject.  You need racism to be the answer because the alternative that blacks are more prone to criminality is something you will never ne willing to accept.  Your politics won't let you.

Give it up, pencil-neck. 

The internet is a big place.  I'm sure someone somewhere wants to talk to you.

[StreetSoldier4U]

Give it up, pencil-neck. 

The internet is a big place.  I'm sure someone somewhere wants to talk to you.

Still trying this tactic after it failed so many times before?   

[RRKore]

Still trying this tactic after it failed so many times before?   

Man, you ARE persistent.   

What do you want again?

[tonymctones]

Yes, but getting a state-issued picture ID is a hardship for the extremely poor.  And since blacks make up a disproportionate percentage of the extremely poor (and believe you me, repub marketing doods know this) the law is discriminatory.  Ya know if, as a part of the law, they would send around mobile gov't vehicles that could go to the poor people and give them cost-free ID's, then I wouldn't have a problem with voter ID laws.  Otherwise it's just some shit akin to gerrymandering that was cooked up by Karl Rove-types to try to effect election outcomes by semi-shady methods.

Actually youd be wrong sir, more whites live in poverty than any other race...

http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/poverty-rate-by-raceethnicity/

what you probably look at are the % rates of each race that lives in poverty which is fine but not when looking at what who will be effected more by a law. A voter ID law will actually effect more whites than any other race

[tonymctones]

I inferred that because you said something along the lines of that when higher prosecution rates of one group are higher than that of another it's just because the first group commits more offenses.  So I thought you'd assume that the reason  a higher percentage of blacks are prosecuted for MJ crimes than white folks is because blacks just smoked pot more.  (And not because cops let more white kids go  --- because that'd be racist.)

this again has nothing to do with A LAW TARGETING MINORITIES

tell me how drug laws TARGET minorities...

[StreetSoldier4U]

Man, you ARE persistent.   

What do you want again?

For you to prove your bullshit claim.

[Roger Bacon]

I inferred that because you said something along the lines of that when higher prosecution rates of one group are higher than that of another it's just because the first group commits more offenses.  So I thought you'd assume that the reason  a higher percentage of blacks are prosecuted for MJ crimes than white folks is because blacks just smoked pot more.  (And not because cops let more white kids go  --- because that'd be racist.)

Black people are overwhelmingly more criminal than any other race.

Black people only make up 12% of the US Pop.

[RRKore]

assault weapons ban, Requiring CLEO's sign off on NFA gun trust, background checks...any one of the recent libtard ideas to help prevent mass shootings that wouldnt do shit...

I'm not so informed about any of that so I shouldn't really answer.

This is an interesting line of questioning, though.  I could be wrong but you seem to be pointing out that ALL laws are going to disproportionately affect some group or another (other than just the group made up of those who have broken the law in question).  I agree with that point and think it's unavoidable but the DEGREE to which some group gets hosed by a particular law is what needs to be looked at and compared to the benefit society as a whole will receive as a result of that group getting hosed. 
Also, I don't see the need to make much of distinction between a law's intent and its execution.  Even if a law is relatively benign but it's being enforced in a crappy and discriminatory way, then that law should probably be chucked.  (Or maybe King Obama, like GWB before him, can simply issue a signing statement so that the law is not enforced, haha.)

[tonymctones]

I'm not so informed about any of that so I shouldn't really answer.

This is an interesting line of questioning, though.  I could be wrong but you seem to be pointing out that ALL laws are going to disproportionately affect some group or another (other than just the group made up of those who have broken the law in question).  I agree with that point and think it's unavoidable but the DEGREE to which some group gets hosed by a particular law is what needs to be looked at and compared to the benefit society as a whole will receive as a result of that group getting hosed. 
Also, I don't see the need to make much of distinction between a law's intent and its execution.  Even if a law is relatively benign but it's being enforced in a crappy and discriminatory way, then that law should probably be chucked.  (Or maybe King Obama, like GWB before him, can simply issue a signing statement so that the law is not enforced, haha.)

No my point is any law is going to disprotionately effect the people breaking that law.

If the law is written in such a way that target them for an aspect outside of breaking that law then yea it needs to be examined.

You however have not given any example of a law that is written in a way that targets minorities.

As a matter of fact the one law you harped on (voter id requirements) would actually effect more white people than minorities.

[RRKore]

Actually youd be wrong sir, more whites live in poverty than any other race...

http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/poverty-rate-by-raceethnicity/

what you probably look at are the % rates of each race that lives in poverty which is fine but not when looking at what who will be effected more by a law. A voter ID law will actually effect more whites than any other race

You're right, that's why I wrote percentage.  (After all, blacks are only, what?, 10% of the population.)

And that's relevant, I think.  If you're a repub marketing guy, you think something like this: We got a group of desperately poor folks.  We know that blacks, regardless of income tend to not vote republican.  We know that we get a lot of votes from rich white.  We know that desperately poor blacks are a higher percentage of the total black population than desperately poor whites are as a percentage of the total white population.  So if we make a law that affects the poor, it will affect a higher percentage of blacks than it will the percentage of whites.  In effect, less votes from blacks for the opposition.

(Not exactly smoothly put, but understandable, I think.)

[RRKore]

For you to prove your bullshit claim.

What claim?  Are you really still here?

[tonymctones]

You're right, that's why I wrote percentage.  (After all, blacks are only, what?, 10% of the population.)

And that's relevant, I think.  If you're a repub marketing guy, you think something like this: We got a group of desperately poor folks.  We know that blacks, regardless of income tend to not vote republican.  We know that we get a lot of votes from rich white.  We know that desperately poor blacks are a higher percentage of the total black population than desperately poor whites are as a percentage of the total white population.  So if we make a law that affects the poor, it will affect a higher percentage of blacks than it will the percentage of whites.  In effect, less votes from blacks for the opposition.

(Not exactly smoothly put, but understandable, I think.)

LOL yes it effects a higher % of blacks but effects more whites than any other race.

based on your libtard view of conservative thinking you would still be losing more votes than you would cause the liberal to lose...

DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT?

you need to look at the actual numbers in this situation not percentages!!!!

[RRKore]

If the law is written in such a way that target them for an aspect outside of breaking that law then yea it needs to be examined.

We agree!  

I just also think an issue needs to be made when law enforcement takes what could be fair law (like Stop and Frisk) and enforces it in a way that's clearly discriminatory (like Stop and Frisk).

[RRKore]

LOL yes it effects a higher % of blacks but effects more whites than any other race.

based on your libtard view of conservative thinking you would still be losing more votes than you would cause the liberal to lose...

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You sure?  Wouldn't that only be correct if all (or a huge percentage) of the poor whites were sure to vote for the right? 

It's a given that the blacks will vote left.  It's not a given that the whites will vote right. 

Probably a wash on the poor white side but on the black side you've eliminated a lot dem votes.

[RRKore]

Anyway, to be continued if you want.

Lately I've got more empathy than usual for minorities.  I've been reading Howard Zinn's book, "The People's Guide to the History of the US" and native american indians, blacks, and women have historically gotten the shittiest end of the stick since the word go in the USA.  For fuck's sake, you should read the stoopid shit Thomas Jefferson (who I'd always admired before) wrote about women.  Boggles the mind.

[tonymctones]

You sure?  Wouldn't that only be correct if all (or a huge percentage) of the poor whites were sure to vote for the right?  

It's a given that the blacks will vote left.  It's not a given that the whites will vote right.  

Probably a wash on the poor white side but on the black side you've eliminated a lot dem votes.

its all assumptions, youre assuming all blacks will vote and vote dem.

Whites generally have a higher voting rate, generally vote rep etc.

The FACT IS A VOTER ID LAW WILL EFFECT MORE WHITE PEOPLE THAN BLACKS

[tonymctones]

Anyway, to be continued if you want.

Lately I've got more empathy than usual for minorities.  I've been reading Howard Zinn's book, "The People's Guide to the History of the US" and native american indians, blacks, and women have historically gotten the shittiest end of the stick since the word go in the USA.  For fuck's sake, you should read the stoopid shit Thomas Jefferson (who I'd always admired before) wrote about women.  Boggles the mind.

past incidents do not mean that laws should be made in a way that favor minorities today.

 

[RRKore]

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The FACT IS A VOTER ID LAW WILL EFFECT MORE WHITE PEOPLE THAN BLACKS

Sure, that's right.  Except that the poor white vote will be split between right and left (thanks Christians!) and the poor black vote will be much closer to totally left (especially with a candidate like Obama). 

So the net effect will be that more dem votes are discouraged than repub votes. 

Somewhere you wrote that these are all assumptions and you're correct in that.  But these are assumptions that the republican party is making, too.  Which is why Voter ID laws are being pushed by the right.  (They know if everyone voted they wouldn't win much at all.)

Here's some more raw meat for ya:  Voter ID laws also discourage female voters more than male voters, too.  Can you guess why?