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Re: Water Fast Question:
« Reply #100 on: February 21, 2014, 10:30:41 AM »
Still not below 12, your pictures are from 13% to 17-18% your only loosing and gaining 5%. Your not that insulin sensitive.  Every molecule of carb hold 3x water that's NORMAL to look soft after eating a large bowl of pasta.
Btw 4 pounds lost today alone by me, you think that's all fat hell no mostly water.

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Re: Water Fast Question:
« Reply #101 on: February 21, 2014, 10:31:28 AM »
I'm done with you UJ.....you just keep recycling the same questions and info about yourself.  ::)

You refuse to listen to anyone.

I have to stop coming into your "EMERGENCY EVERYBODY I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT MY OBESITY AND WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT AND A QUESTION ABOUT STEROIDS EVEN THOUGH I'LL NEVER DO THEM!!!" threads.

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« Reply #102 on: February 21, 2014, 10:32:16 AM »
From what I've read, you lose nearly all fat up until ~4%bf is reached. Then you lose muscle (based on the people studied, drugs will influence things). But if we are talking about most people, they're not going to have to worry about muscle loss.
on steroids, 5% seems to be the turning point, natural might be somewheere around 6, slightly less.

ppl are dumbasses.




guy like this can gain 5-10lbs of fat, and his waist would still be tight as a drum
he has the galeniko process done
you're still struggling with your baby fat, that we're all born with
that's the hardest battle
the first time you've been ripped is insanely torturous
after that, being lean is a joke
yes exactly.

the first time is so brutal, it gets much worse later on but first time into the 8-9% range is making you a fututre machine or forges your eternal permabulk destiny.

good term baby fat, this is fat that sits there since teenage and never went away, the whole body needs remodeling.

junior isnt so fat, nono, hes just carrying little muscle size.

you see that often, skinny kids, they dont look ripped or anything but if youd cut them open, theyd be 8% fat no more.

theres a shitload to do for junior, he better get going instead of talking too much.

hows that saying"i never seen a monument made for a reader" ;D

I think so, too
nono read above,its misleading, i know counts not for much, but if we take waist circumference into account, theres no way hes near 15%.

its not like he has fatty spots elsewhere he doesnt have titts or a female ass ;D

hes just bit skinny, lacks the steroid ompha whoompa whoopaste look.

bw was sick for 3 days, flu, and i ate like lazer angelov, 4k cals a day, guess what epic water retention, wouldnt be suprised if i gained 10lbs weight in those 3 days.

ill chalk it up as quick bulk and get back to eating like normal,uhm,tomorow, first going to chinease with girl tonhgt :-*


btw, as for the bs uhm theroy how muscle go first when undereating, do they come first too when overeating?i dont think i have gained any muscle last 3 days

the body uses protein for muscle repair, hair growth, and a lot of other things.  Of course he'll lose muscle tissue since he's not getting the protein externally.

concentration camp victims didn't first get shredded  without muscle loss when they were being starved; they first lost glycogen then a combination of fat and muscle at the same time.
well you too read the study listed above.

and depends if unior goes into this fully carbo loaded he might not even burn any fat.

its not so simple.

in the kzs they ate 2-500cals a day+hard labour work, lets not compare that.

that said, if junior decided to get shredded naturaly, he will look like kz memebr.like anyone would.

he tries like alittle girl to avoid taking gear, i think he will never take any, rendering this discussion kinda theroy talk.

Still not below 12, your pictures are from 13% to 17-18% your only loosing and gaining 5%. Your not that insulin sensitive.  Every molecule of carb hold 3x water that's NORMAL to look soft after eating a large bowl of pasta.
Btw 4 pounds lost today alone by me, you think that's all fat hell no mostly water.
yah IS comes with leans.

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Re: Water Fast Question:
« Reply #103 on: February 21, 2014, 10:36:00 AM »
Aye?

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Re: Water Fast Question:
« Reply #104 on: February 21, 2014, 12:38:14 PM »
Please this is a serious question no bullshit troll answers:

The question is:

Theoretically how long can you do a water fast for (absolutely no food, protein drinks or anything) WHILE (and this is key) training for couple of hours everyday.

I want to try do 5 day water fast while training.

Is this realistic while weight training?

I expect after 48 hours to not really be able to do much, is this correct?




Best I did was 90 mins Muay Thai training each morning up to day 5.

At the the day 5 session, I was white as a sheet and so decided to do no exercise on day 6 & 7 of the fast.

Just depends how you feel. When your BP drops, you'll feel it.

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Re: Water Fast Question:
« Reply #105 on: February 21, 2014, 12:40:56 PM »
ability to get very lean naturally without much trouble is genetics.  you just don't have the easy dieting genetics.  eat the KFC.  later get on the juice and you'll get it done.  

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Re: Water Fast Question:
« Reply #106 on: February 21, 2014, 12:43:25 PM »



Like I said earlier....in general muscle will go first.






Absolutely wrong.  One's body uses the fastest, quickest, energy source available first.  That is carbs, fat, and protein in that order.

In the absence of carbs(keto) your body will burn fat for energy.  

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« Reply #107 on: February 21, 2014, 12:56:46 PM »

Absolutely wrong.  One's body uses the fastest, quickest, energy source available first.  That is carbs, fat, and protein in that order.

In the absence of carbs(keto) your body will burn fat for energy.  
Yes and no.

You can gain weight on a keto diet if you don't go into calorie deficit. And if you eat too little, or exercise too little, your body's metabolism will slow down
so that even as your ketostix show a purple color after you piss on them, meaning 260+ ketones per ml of urine
you'll lose maybe 1/4 of 1lb a week, i.e. 100g
happened to me and others on that diet
Dennis Wolf tried it for one Olympia and he came in flat as a fucking paperweight
best way to cut is carb manipulation + interval cardio + weight training and a deficit of maybe 500-600 below your usual
imo

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Re: Water Fast Question:
« Reply #108 on: February 21, 2014, 01:05:53 PM »
What exactly are you trying to achieve from this, you can't look like these guys naturally, your just going tolook like a prisoner of war like sev did.  Sev knew how to blow the fuck up.

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« Reply #109 on: February 21, 2014, 01:07:00 PM »
What exactly are you trying to achieve from this, you can't look like these guys naturally, your just going tolook like a prisoner of war like sev did.  Sev knew how to blow the fuck up.
He's getting on the bicycle soon. Give him time.

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« Reply #110 on: February 21, 2014, 01:26:47 PM »
Here is a pubmed article about a 382 day fast.
Can't believe it.


Postgrad Med J. 1973 March; 49(569): 203–209.

PMCID: PMC2495396

Features of a successful therapeutic fast of 382 days' duration

W. K. Stewart and Laura W. Fleming


Abstract

A 27-year-old male patient fasted under supervision for 382 days and has subsequently maintained his normal weight. Blood glucose concentrations around 30 mg/100 ml were recorded consistently during the last 8 months, although the patient was ambulant and attending as an out-patient. Responses to glucose and tolbutamide tolerance tests remained normal. The hyperglycaemic response to glucagon was reduced and latterly absent, but promptly returned to normal during carbohydrate refeeding. After an initial decrease was corrected, plasma potassium levels remained normal without supplementation. A temporary period of hypercalcaemia occurred towards the end of the fast. Decreased plasma magnesium concentrations were a consistent feature from the first month onwards. After 100 days of fasting there was a marked and persistent increase in the excretion of urinary cations and inorganic phosphate, which until then had been minimal. These increases may be due to dissolution of excessive soft tissue and skeletal mass. Prolonged fasting in this patient had no ill-effects.


The most mundane of foods must have felt like meeting God after such an ordeal.

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Re: Water Fast Question:
« Reply #111 on: February 21, 2014, 02:16:52 PM »
The most mundane of foods must have felt like meeting God after such an ordeal.
good point.

i remember when i read the book "escape from block14"or so,the one about escape from north korea, how mere rice is a delicatesse for the peasantery there, how relatively overfed we are.

i often think about exactly that when craving carbs bit too much.

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Re: Water Fast Question:
« Reply #112 on: February 21, 2014, 03:21:23 PM »


if you can't become like this, don't get on steroids.

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Re: Water Fast Question:
« Reply #113 on: February 21, 2014, 04:39:24 PM »

dude's obviously on gear or just naturally great genetics and he is young, i'm 35. lol

30 hours in on the fast right now, feel totally fine.





Nah, no way he's juicing with that size. Don't mistake being lean and symmetrical with being on steroids.

Sure, he may have used a few micrograms of clenbuterol for the final stubborn fat but, that's natty bro. Just look at the veins, not popping out or anything

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Re: Water Fast Question:
« Reply #114 on: February 21, 2014, 04:40:16 PM »
Girls prefer that look 99.9% to a bulky monster, even a lean one
trust me, you're going to fuck up your natural test forever but hey it's your body bro
enjoy the middle east ;)

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Re: Water Fast Question:
« Reply #115 on: February 21, 2014, 04:45:00 PM »

Trust me if I look like that I would be phenomenally happy, not interested in being mass monster etc.

But I highly doubt he is natural, probably anavar, winny, gh, t3, don't believe for one second he got look of a natural, u can just tell by the skin condition 

He has thick skin, like you
even holds water, obviously
dude those are heavy duty drugs, few people have access to them
let alone a punk kid, lol
cmon mannnnn no more excuses
STARVE yourself to a hard sixpack

btw this is the steroid skin, I recognize it from a mile away
usually heavily freckled (from tanning or some other shit) and tight, not soft like that at all

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Re: Water Fast Question:
« Reply #116 on: February 21, 2014, 05:38:15 PM »


Ok even if he is naturally he must be naturally lean ectomorph type with great genetics, no fucking way in hell I can ever get near that condition natty with my x obese nelly the elepehant genetics, it just ain't happening, trust me I tried....I will just end up skinny, skinny or skinny fat.



Bingo, he's an ecto with some muscle.

But your skin looks alright, so you won't need to worry about sagging.

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« Reply #117 on: February 21, 2014, 07:32:17 PM »
Lazar eats 4,000 calories a day. People who starve themselves like you end up skinny-fat...Like you. When will you learn?

You are anorexic man. It's not a joke it's an actual mental disorder and you have it...You need to be eating a lot (of the correct clean foods) to get big and shredded, not starving, you're doing more harm than good.



I disagree. Too many fat fucks (which is generally everybody in North America) looks at juiced beasts like Angelov and thinks they need to up the cals like him too. Yet they train like women, are fat and estrogenic and SHOULD starve with a small meal after their workout. Doing an intermittent fast would be much better than eating around the clock. These kids are not Ferraris, they're Pintos. They need to train and eat like such. Until they build a base they don't need high-cal anything.

People think that if they don't eat all the time that they're starving. No one's starving here. People in Somolia and Cambodia are starving. You're just in between meals. Almost no one needs to eat constantly. For the purpose of building muscle and getting lean, fasting and just eating when you need to is generally the best way. We can only put on such a little amount of muscle at a time that we don't need to bulk and over eat. And we don't need much to maintain a positive nitrogen balance, so all this permabulking is absolutely useless. Tons and tons of energy is being wasted and converted into fat. I think you've just offered terrible advice.

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Re: Water Fast Question:
« Reply #118 on: February 21, 2014, 08:03:40 PM »
Water Fasting is meant to be a healing process for the body, means you're not suppose to train at all. You should rest and heal your body & mind. If you're afraid of losing gains/muscle bellies don't worry, you ain't losing muscle.. mostly water, some fat + very little muscle.
You see muscle is one of the last thing the body will use as a fuel, if you come to that stage you're in for starvation. To come to that stage you'll need to be minimum 28days water fasting. Proper water fasting can be done 40 days without starvation

3 stages of water fasting:
Pre-fast
Fasting
After-fast

want to know more? Google it you dumb b*tch!!

I disagree with not training on a fast.

I do 1-2 fasts per year. Some people that do them are way out of shape. Like 100kg overweight - and they always ask why I'm there..

I live in a polluted smokey city, work too much, like to eat unhealthy food from time to time and don't mind a beer or 2 at the weekend.

A fast is a good way to "reset" and cleanse out the crap - and doing some exercise accelerates that process. So - sauna and exercise are a must. Sweating on a fast is absolutely essential.

The difference between a fast where you sit on your ass all day and one where you stay active is night and day. You can't compare the two in terms of how you feel afterwards.

You do need to replace electrolytes of course but I don't consider that breaking the fast as much as preventing sudden death.

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Re: Water Fast Question:
« Reply #119 on: February 22, 2014, 02:10:35 AM »
explaint eh elevated glucose level, uhhh, seems like ,if you didnt eat anything, the body has converted some protein into glucose ;D

dont think it can convert fat into glucose.
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stop this natural fucking bullfucking shit harsh dieting its doing no good.

just stop it.
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« Reply #120 on: February 22, 2014, 03:33:01 AM »
Nah, no way he's juicing with that size. Don't mistake being lean and symmetrical with being on steroids.

Sure, he may have used a few micrograms of clenbuterol for the final stubborn fat but, that's natty bro. Just look at the veins, not popping out or anything



Again, someone else with no fucking idea.
Get clean and get yourself in that shape and condition with a bit of clen and post your pics.

jeez, a lot of fuckwittery of late on this forum.

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Re: Water Fast Question:
« Reply #121 on: February 22, 2014, 03:38:56 AM »
Exactly. Kid is juiced muscles never look full natural even when your body fat is low as

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Re: Water Fast Question:
« Reply #122 on: February 22, 2014, 03:44:37 AM »


Natural ripped

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Re: Water Fast Question:
« Reply #123 on: February 22, 2014, 03:46:42 AM »
Look at the difference in chest arm and delts, look how flat the muscles look on a natural, slabs of slate vs pebble muscle.

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« Reply #124 on: February 22, 2014, 07:55:59 AM »
Quote
From school of Adonis Principles:

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If you want to look like shit then you are on the right path.