Steroid Myths #1... all u gotta do is take more and you'll be a freak.

[Coach is Back!]

seriously coach, what logical explanation is there for saying you xant walk into a gym and pick random exercises that fit your bodypart and individual mechanics youre trying to work?

I'll answer in full later because I have clinics this morning. But no matter what I say it's not going to make a difference one way or the other, so just up the dose. When I get some clown from here that pretends to know how I operate my business, it's a little irritating when they put you in the same category as a typical "personal trainer" that focuses on building him/her self instead of focusing on his/her clients as a company. Clearly this idiot has a vision of how your stereotypical trainer is.

[Coach is Back!]

Also need to add that almost any type of high volume training works when your on gear. Again, dial everything else in BUT the training.

[Simple Simon]

I'll answer in full later because I have clinics this morning. But no matter what I say it's not going to make a difference one way or the other, so just up the dose. When I get some clown from here that pretends to know how I operate my business, it's a little irritating when they put you in the same category as a typical "personal trainer" that focuses on building him/her self instead of focusing on his/her clients as a company. Clearly this idiot has a vision of how your stereotypical trainer is.

A load of gullible fuckwits with more money than motivation.

[njflex]

i have a lot of respect for coach as trainer and physique wise.he could tell great stories from a time when bbing mattered and was a physical art form.he has one of the top builds'his prime era'look anybody has achieved here based on shape and proportion for his bodytype at the time/wght class period..he is nor anti drug he will surely tell you and agree.he is not into todays chemistry and how training falls backburner in the order of getting in shape/big.coach has changed from a zane type to a power builder type build and could have stayed put with his original look but so be it.good guy.

[sean]

Ive always been stammered by the quantity of meat intake some guys claim. I know a local guy who's paying a popular so. cal guru for help. Has him on 430 or so grams of protein a day. Mostly from egg whites and lean meats.  Also about 450g carbs, but only (and this is the amazing part) only 50 or so grams of fats a day because he wants him down in BF... ouch. So all white meat, no added condiments, no nuts, seeds, oils, red meat, etc. Sounds painful. And this is only about 4,000kcal for a 250lb ~13-15% bf guy.

Yes, hes taking stuff, and some of it, by nature, makes you ravenously hungry, helping in the consumption of all this awesome, plain, fat free fucking food.  

[Simple Simon]

i have a lot of respect for coach as trainer and physique wise.he could tell great stories from a time when bbing mattered and was a physical art form.he has one of the top builds'his prime era'look anybody has achieved here based on shape and proportion for his bodytype at the time/wght class period..he is nor anti drug he will surely tell you and agree.he is not into todays chemistry and how training falls backburner in the order of getting in shape/big.coach has changed from a zane type to a power builder type build and could have stayed put with his original look but so be it.good guy.

And he couldn't have achieved that without the help of a little journal?

[Coach is Back!]

A load of gullible fuckwits with more money than motivation.

Last year I had 12 athletes recruited to D1-D2 Universities on athletic scholarships, 2 in MLB and three make it to the NFL...that was last year. All of them started with me with they were in high school so it's wasn't like I took an already experienced pro and put my name to him/her like so many do.

[njflex]

And he couldn't have achieved that without the help of a little journal?

don't know if he kept a journal then or not.

[Simple Simon]

Last year I had 12 athletes recruited to D1-D2 Universities on athletic scholarships, 2 in MLB and three make it to the NFL...that was last year. All of them started with me with they were in high school so it's wasn't like I took an already experienced pro and put my name to him/her like so many do.

[wes]

Joe is a great guy, and a great bodybuilder,but I made my best gains once I decided to throw away my notebook with a set routine.

Years ago,you couldn`t have paid me to deviate one little bit from any routine I was currently using.

These days,I do the same bodyparts on certain days of the week,but my "routine" always varies.......no 2 workouts are ever exactly the same.

To each his own.  

[HonestBob]

Last year I had 12 athletes recruited to D1-D2 Universities on athletic scholarships, 2 in MLB and three make it to the NFL...that was last year. All of them started with me with they were in high school so it's wasn't like I took an already experienced pro and put my name to him/her like so many do.

Training kids to become pros, all power and much respect to you.  The ignorant comments about what your programming can achieve should be ignored.

But please don't pretend that professional strength coaches who work with established professional athletes are all full of shit. They are not and they have risen to the top.  Train kids, graduate to training pros and making money and a name.

[Simple Simon]

Bodybuilding isnt a fucking science.
Its basic, lift weights repeatedly, and most important properly, eat nutritious foods and if you want to make substantially better gains take steroids.

You can find all the advice you need at the click of a mouse these days.
Why on earth you need some hair brained fuckwit who has bought and paid for a certificate that lets him call himself a personal trainer is beyond me.

Years ago the guys who owned the gyms were the people you got advice from because they had been there and done it.
These days literally ANYONE can be a personal trainer regardless of experience, you just have to pay for and sit through a 12 week course.

[njflex]

Bodybuilding isnt a fucking science.
Its basic, lift weights repeatedly, and most important properly, eat nutritious foods and if you want to make substantially better gains take steroids.

You can find all the advice you need at the click of a mouse these days.
Why on earth you need some hair brained fuckwit who has bought and paid for a certificate that lets him call himself a personal trainer is beyond me.

Years ago the guys who owned the gyms were the people you got advice from because they had been there and done it.
These days literally ANYONE can be a personal trainer regardless of experience, you just have to pay for and sit through a 12 week course.

it works for you and me,other people no and some parents/kids/teenagers 18/20 need those extreme training arsenal to get better track/football/baseball strenght to go with talent to play the sport.thats where joe comes in,he's not training bbers ...

[Simple Simon]

it works for you and me,other people no and some parents/kids/teenagers 18/20 need those extreme training arsenal to get better track/football/baseball strenght to go with talent to play the sport.thats where joe comes in,he's not training bbers ...

What the fucks he doing pissing about on here then?

[HonestBob]

Bodybuilding isnt a fucking science.
Its basic, lift weights repeatedly, and most important properly, eat nutritious foods and if you want to make substantially better gains take steroids.

You can find all the advice you need at the click of a mouse these days.
Why on earth you need some hair brained fuckwit who has bought and paid for a certificate that lets him call himself a personal trainer is beyond me.

Years ago the guys who owned the gyms were the people you got advice from because they had been there and done it.
These days literally ANYONE can be a personal trainer regardless of experience, you just have to pay for and sit through a 12 week course.

Why would the maximum attainment of the end result of bodybuilding be no less scientific than the end result for running?  Of course knowledge and programming skills will help, and of course there is now enough smart material out there to really push on in education. A book / course will certainly not create a good coach / trainer, but it will help them become much better.  I started in the gym in the late 80s and I read everything for years.  Now it is almost impossible to read everything without having specialist go to resources, and a good trainer can add a lot of value for a wide variety of people.

Please don't confuse the shit that the industry is full of with what is actually possible.

[wes]

Personally,I haven`t met any "Personal Trainers" other than bodybuilders, or former bodybuilders, who I would ask bodybuilding advice from.

Now if I wanted to sit on a big red rubber ball with one leg in the air while I pressed the pink dumbells from my chest,I`d be all set to ask the nitwits in my gym for their help. 

[Coach is Back!]

Training kids to become pros, all power and much respect to you.  The ignorant comments about what your programming can achieve should be ignored.

But please don't pretend that professional strength coaches who work with established professional athletes are all full of shit. They are not and they have risen to the top.  Train kids, graduate to training pros and making money and a name.

That wasn't a blanket statement. There are a lot of great strength coaches who train pros (mostly the ones I try to learn from). But it shouldn't be ignored that just because a trainer train a pro athlete when he's already been a pro, using football as an example. That a lot have their claim to fame by saying "I trained so and so" or "I train so and so" I've always contended that just because you trained or train an athlete doesn't mean you know how to train an athlete. Most of mine are with me 5!days a week covering everything from soft tissue, to speed development (today's clinic) to recovery to education and workshops.

[polychronopolous]

Personally,I haven`t met any "Personal Trainers" other than bodybuilders, or former bodybuilders, who I would ask bodybuilding advice from.

Now if I wanted to sit on a big red rubber ball with one leg in the air while I pressed the pink dumbells from my chest,I`d be all set to ask the nitwits in my gym for their help. 

 

[HonestBob]

That wasn't a blanket statement. There are a lot of great strength coaches who train pros (mostly the ones I try to learn from). But it shouldn't be ignored that just because a trainer train a pro athlete when he's already been a pro, using football as an example. That a lot have their claim to fame by saying "I trained so and so" or "I train so and so" I've always contended that just because you trained or train an athlete doesn't mean you know how to train an athlete. Most of mine are with me 5!days a week covering everything from soft tissue, to speed development (today's clinic) to recovery to education and workshops.

Fair enough and I can exactly see where you are coming from.

I myself can say I have trained professional athletes but I am not deluded enough to consider myself a professional Strength Coach.  I may well have a lot of the knowledge but I do not have enough in the trenches experience. 

[Shockwave]

Personally,I haven`t met any "Personal Trainers" other than bodybuilders, or former bodybuilders, who I would ask bodybuilding advice from.

Now if I wanted to sit on a big red rubber ball with one leg in the air while I pressed the pink dumbells from my chest,I`d be all set to ask the nitwits in my gym for their help. 

this. And you either have to find one that is willing to actually tell you the truth for his hard earned experience (not likely) or pay someone to tell you, or basically sacrifice the time and learn it yourself through trial and error.

good rule of thumb is find someone who had what you want. Youre not going to pay a board short competitor to tell you how to grow like Ronnie Coleman.

[Coach is Back!]

Fair enough and I can exactly see where you are coming from.

I myself can say I have trained professional athletes but I am not deluded enough to consider myself a professional Strength Coach.  I may well have a lot of the knowledge but I do not have enough in the trenches experience. 

I can tell by your posts that you're a strength coach. When it comes to threads like this  careful of what to say because of who might be lurking plus I really put myself out there.

[Mawse]

You need waved periodization and programmed Dynamic Effort days if you're ever going to succeed as a bodybuilder

Imagine how much better Arnold could have looked if he'd had access to a WSB template or had the chance to talk to Dave Tate or Mark Ripetoe. We're so lucky living in this age of free information, those poor guys in the 70s didn't even know about reverse band dead lifts or chain safety bar squats!

[anabolichalo]

You need waved periodization and programmed Dynamic Effort days if you're ever going to succeed as a bodybuilder

Imagine how much better Arnold could have looked if he'd had access to a WSB template or had the chance to talk to Dave Tate or Mark Ripetoe. We're so lucky living in this age of free information, those poor guys in the 70s didn't even know about reverse band dead lifts or chain safety bar squats!

imagine how much arnold would have benched, rippetoe maxed out at a single with 396lbs, clearly untermench genetic, but godlike wisdom

safe to say aronold would have benched in the 800's

[_aj_]

You need waved periodization and programmed Dynamic Effort days if you're ever going to succeed as a bodybuilder

Imagine how much better Arnold could have looked if he'd had access to a WSB template or had the chance to talk to Dave Tate or Mark Ripetoe. We're so lucky living in this age of free information, those poor guys in the 70s didn't even know about reverse band dead lifts or chain safety bar squats!

Lmao'd.

[ESFitness]

I get a chuckle when I read the replies here..

Proves my point 100% with the ignorance no one and his fanboy simple Simon promote...

Thinking steroids are magic beans, and all you need to do is take more and you're on your way to a pro card.

I've yet to read one intelligent reply from Simple Simon.. no one may have some knowledge but in this thread is attacking me in proving my point 100% and his obsession and hatred for me cloud your judgement and doesn't even yet him realize it.

Typical get big.

why anybody would post pictures of themselves on this very website to go garner attention and approvalofa bunch of nobodies especially people like simpleton Simon and no one baffles me.

why don't you morons search button with my name and find the other instances where I recommend maybe 400 milligrams a week... you'll see there's just as many post with those kind of dosage is as there are with 4000 or six thousand milligrams a week dosages.

keep on replying you f****** clowns.