Steroid/Insulin/GH/etc stack for Orlando Europa 2014

[Simple Simon]

It shouldnt be disheartening. Most people can look great on low to moderate amounts of steroids and no growth hormone.

Yes, but the problem is that the amount of drugs the pros are supposed to be using doesn't distance them that much(pro rata) from your well built gym rat in size or condition.

[jon cole]

16 week contest prep cycle for a competitor in this weekends europa from his coach...thought you guys would enjoy, been very busy.

16 weeks out
1,000mg test cyp weekly
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
700mg tren hex weekly
15iu humalog AM
15iu humulin-R pre workout
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
120mcg clen
100mcg t3
40mg valeant tested pre workout
1mg anastrazole EOD
20mg tamox EOD

12 weeks out
1,000mg test cyp weekly
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
1050mg tren hex weekly
700mg masteron prop weekly
50mg upsher smith oxandralone ED
15iu humalog AM
15iu humulin-R pre workout
15iu humalog before second post workout meal
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
120mcg clen
100mcg t3
40mg valeant tested pre workout
1mg anastrazole EOD
20mg tamox EOD

8 weeks out
1,400mg test prop weekly
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
1,400mg tren hex weekly
1,050mg masteron prop weekly
50mg upsher-smith oxandralone ED
100mg winstrol suspended in everclear ED (orally)
15iu humulin-R pre workout
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
120mcg clen
150mcg t3
1mg anastrazole ED
20mg tamox ED

4 weeks out
1,400mg test no ester weekly (1cc 2x/day)
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
1,400mg tren hex weekly
1,400mg masteron prop weekly
50mg upsher-smith oxandralone ED
200mg winstrol suspended in everclear ED (orally, 2x/day)
30mg upsher-smith androxy ED
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
160mcg clen
150mcg t3
1mg anastrazole ED
20mg tamox ED

1 week out
1,400mg tren hex weekly
1,400mg masteron prop weekly
100mg upsher-smith oxandralone ED
300mg winstrol suspended in everclear ED (orally, 3x/day)
40mg upsher-smith androxy ED
100mg anadrol ED
50mcg t4
160mcg clen
150mcg t3
1mg anastrazole ED
20mg tamox ED

All these gear are bad quality Ugl.
They can't be hg.
no human can support 1.4gr of hg tren hex plus anadrol, t3 t4 clen etc.

[wes]

Yes, but the problem is that the amount of drugs the pros are supposed to be using doesn't distance them that much(pro rata) from your well built gym rat in size or condition.

6 grams is the sweet spot. 

[visualizeperfection]

6 grams is the sweet spot. 

anything less than 5 grams is essentially HRT/TRT and should be used for a "fitness" look.

[Simple Simon]

16 week contest prep cycle for a competitor in this weekends europa from his coach...thought you guys would enjoy, been very busy.

16 weeks out
1,000mg test cyp weekly
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
700mg tren hex weekly
15iu humalog AM
15iu humulin-R pre workout
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
120mcg clen
100mcg t3
40mg valeant tested pre workout
1mg anastrazole EOD
20mg tamox EOD

12 weeks out
1,000mg test cyp weekly
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
1050mg tren hex weekly
700mg masteron prop weekly
50mg upsher smith oxandralone ED
15iu humalog AM
15iu humulin-R pre workout
15iu humalog before second post workout meal
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
120mcg clen
100mcg t3
40mg valeant tested pre workout
1mg anastrazole EOD
20mg tamox EOD

8 weeks out
1,400mg test prop weekly
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
1,400mg tren hex weekly
1,050mg masteron prop weekly
50mg upsher-smith oxandralone ED
100mg winstrol suspended in everclear ED (orally)
15iu humulin-R pre workout
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
120mcg clen
150mcg t3
1mg anastrazole ED
20mg tamox ED

4 weeks out
1,400mg test no ester weekly (1cc 2x/day)
1,200mg EQ weekly
1,200mg 1-test cypionate weekly
1,400mg tren hex weekly
1,400mg masteron prop weekly
50mg upsher-smith oxandralone ED
200mg winstrol suspended in everclear ED (orally, 2x/day)
30mg upsher-smith androxy ED
6iu humatrope everyday first thing in AM
50mcg t4
160mcg clen
150mcg t3
1mg anastrazole ED
20mg tamox ED

1 week out
1,400mg tren hex weekly
1,400mg masteron prop weekly
100mg upsher-smith oxandralone ED
300mg winstrol suspended in everclear ED (orally, 3x/day)
40mg upsher-smith androxy ED
100mg anadrol ED
50mcg t4
160mcg clen
150mcg t3
1mg anastrazole ED
20mg tamox ED

Ideal first course for a newbie after 6 weeks training.
Contact my website for further ..ermmm  details. 

[wes]

anything less than 5 grams is essentially HRT/TRT and should be used for a "fitness" look.

I know. 

[BFG]

Yes, but the problem is that the amount of drugs the pros are supposed to be using doesn't distance them that much(pro rata) from your well built gym rat in size or condition.

Depends on the pro. There are some pro bodybuilders who dont even look human. Then there are some who aren't especially impressive.

Bodybuilding is just a competition of genetics but I guess because of the personalities it attracts, you get people that are unwilling to accept their limitations and keep pushing more and more cc's thus you see these outrageous doses.

Theres always that voice that makes you wonder if the other guys are going to look just 1% better to beat you because they took that extra cc every week.

[the trainer]

its takes a special kind of human being to be a  bodybuilder what kind of mindset you must have to be able to stick all  these drugs in your body year after year and not doing well in the contests making shit money but still continue to pursue the dream year after year, gotta give them some respect cause that shit is tough to do.

[BFG]

All these gear are bad quality Ugl.
They can't be hg.
no human can support 1.4gr of hg tren hex plus anadrol, t3 t4 clen etc.

There is no such thing as human grade tren, 1-test cyp, eq or winstrol.

[spiro]

All these gear are bad quality Ugl.
They can't be hg.
no human can support 1.4gr of hg tren hex plus anadrol, t3 t4 clen etc.

You don't know much do you. There's gymrats on 15s board running 200-300 mg of good fucken tren ed! You mindset is old school.

[Simple Simon]

There is no such thing as human grade tren, 1-test cyp, eq or winstrol.

You sure about that?

[BFG]

You sure about that?

I dont think they make human grade winstrol any more?

[the trainer]

330 pounds I can only imagine big rami stack.

[Simple Simon]

I dont think they make human grade winstrol any more?

[BFG]

Its still prescribed overseas? I just tried googling it and did not find a clear cut answer. I dont think Winthrop still makes the stuff in the US.

[Simple Simon]

Its still prescribed overseas? I just tried googling it and did not find a clear cut answer. I dont think Winthrop still makes the stuff in the US.

Desma (Zambon) is sold over the counter in Spain (not as much as it used to be mind)

[BFG]

Desma (Zambon) is sold over the counter in Spain (not as much as it used to be mind)

Google tells me that apparently its still prescribed in the US for a condition called "hereditary angioedema"

[visualizeperfection]

Google tells me that apparently its still prescribed in the US for a condition called "hereditary angioedema"

what is the reason behind using wintrol? Doesnt it behave a lot like masteron with the added benefits of sore joints?

[spiro]

what is the reason behind using wintrol? Doesnt it behave a lot like masteron with the added benefits of sore joints?

Dries you out like crazy even more than mast. It adds more lean mass too. Of course these guys are going to go the ugl route it's cheaper a lot suspend liquid orals in alcohol. Even research chefs come that way. It may not be as potent as hg but way cheaper 100 amps of winny would break the bank.

[wes]

what is the reason behind using wintrol? Doesnt it behave a lot like masteron with the added benefits of sore joints?

Winstrol = abscess in a bottle.   

[ProudVirgin69]

1) why tren hex?  Less frequent injections?

2) what's the reasoning for humalog in the morning, and humilin-r pre-workout?  Is the humilin so that it's peak hits after the workout, not during?  Also, why stop insulin four weeks out?

[Shockwave]

Winstrol = abscess in a bottle.   

Access = winny in a bottle?

[wes]

Access = winny in a bottle?

You say tomato,I say tamato   lol 

[BFG]

1) why tren hex?  Less frequent injections?

2) what's the reasoning for humalog in the morning, and humilin-r pre-workout?  Is the humilin so that it's peak hits after the workout, not during?  Also, why stop insulin four weeks out?

1) some people feel that tren hex is superior to acetate and enanthate. Makes no sense on paper as the hex ester is quite heavy so you get less hormone per mg. But who really knows...parabolan was amazing stuff and that was tren hex...but it was also human grade tren.

2) humalog IM shot right before breakfast to get max nutrient shuttling in first meal/humulin-r IM shot 30 mins pre workout so that you get the first peak intra workout and the second peak right at post workout. Drop slin 4 weeks out to reduce overall carb intake when dieting.

[BodyMachine]

I don't see anything crazy in this competitors cycle. 16weeks out he's only on a gram of test, 1-test-cyp is fairly weak compound similar to eq, and the eq dose is just about right for getting anything out of eq. 700 tren isn't crazy either. Also 6ui of hgh isn't that much (albeit it is HG). I'm almost surprised whoever he is doesn't up the test 3x and add another bulker like 2g of deca. For a pro, I'm shocked, small cycle