Author Topic: Steve Reeves - Measurements - How Strong Was He? (Read 52809 times)

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #150 on:** February 16, 2015, 01:41:27 PM »

Quote from: BB on February 16, 2015, 01:28:45 PM

Take this list-

Androsterone - (Schering - 1934)
Androfort (Richter - 1936)
Testosterone Propionate - Sterandryl (Roussel - 1936)
Testoviron (British Schering - 1936)
Virormone (Paines & Byrne - 1936)
Perandren (Ciba - 1937)
Neo-Hombreol (Organon - 1937)
Pantestin (Richter - ?? *at least 1941)
Erugon-S (Bayer - ?? *at least 1941)
Methyltestosterone - Metandren (Ciba - 1940)
Perandren Linguets (Ciba - 1940)
Glosso-Sterandryl (Roussel - 1941)
Neo-Hombreol-M (Organon - 1941)
Oreton M (British Schering - 1942)
Oraviron (British Schering - 1942)
Viromone- Oral (Paines & Byrne - 1942)
Testosterone Cypionate

Type it into - https://books.google.com/ individually. See where those drugs are mentioned? Actual medical journals as being available for sale. Gosh, who'd of thunk it.

See that ad for MethylTest tablets in the magazines? Guess what the FDA did after a few years? They made Hudson remove them because they were actual drugs being sold - http://archive.nlm.nih.gov/fdanj/bitstream/123456789/13388/3/174001130.txt . .

And this De Kruif fellow that had his book on testosterone reviewed by Life Magazine, The New York Times, etc....? Was this a schome with a Smith Corona? Nope, World respected doctor, friend of Upton Sinclair, and writer for some of the major magazines of the day -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_de_Kruif .

But yes, I'm sure that it was a deep dark secret till Zeigler .

That list is useless until you can link strength athletes to using anything on that list with success

and we both know you can't

And all of these ' available steroids ' Why was Ziegler plying the coach of the Russian weighlifteing team with alcohol to learn his secrets on why his athletes were breaking records left-and-right when all he had to do is go in the back of a men's magazine and order up all of these steroids LMFAO

Because I'm sure they would all be much more effective than the pharmaceutical grade testosterone he initially tried with NO success which led him to create D-bol .

get serious if you think anything on that list was ' available ' and ' effective ' and used for strength enhancing purposes. You have a list WOW-WEE now prove anything on that list was used and was used effectively

We both know you can't.

For a western bodybuilder or lifter to be using testosterone before late 1954/1955 he would had to have known more about the biochemistry of testosterone and it's potential effects than any western sports physician - and have had access to what was then a relatively little known prescription drug. He would also had to have known more about how to effectively dose it than John Ziegler, who would go on to co-develop Dianabol just a few years later. As for before late 1954/1955, nobody in the west can say for sure exactly when the Soviets began using testosterone, but the likely date is sometime before October 1954 and possibly as early as 1952.

As mentioned, testosterone was first approved for prescription as a cancer, wasting and burn treatment in the U.S. in 1950. Before that it was classified as an experimental drug and not available even to physicians. For a bodybuilder to be using testosterone before 1950 he would not only had to have known more about the biochemistry, dosing and potential usage of it than anybody else in the world (including the research scientists working with it), but also have had access to what was then an experimental drug, isolated sporadically in limited amounts for controlled research purposes, and not produced in quantity.

BB · « **Reply #151 on:** February 16, 2015, 01:43:06 PM »

Meathead Logic

.

Rambone · « **Reply #152 on:** February 16, 2015, 01:45:07 PM »

Quote from: BB on February 16, 2015, 01:40:37 PM

By that standard let's just stifle all specific "xxx bodybuilder's drug stack" talk till we hear them admit to usage or we see an actual Sustanon preload jammed into glute? Why are bodybuilders from early steroid eras protected by their fans, but Ruhl, Cutler, etc.... not?

Oh brother

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #153 on:** February 16, 2015, 01:46:32 PM »

Quote from: BB on February 16, 2015, 01:43:06 PM

Meathead Logic .

BIG AL MCKECHNIE · « **Reply #154 on:** February 16, 2015, 02:09:30 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on February 16, 2015, 01:10:38 PM

no it's most certainly NOT ' a perfectly logical stance ' Sorry beg to differ. Snake-oil ads which equate to Cybergenics ads aren't worth the paper they were printed on. All those ' steroids ' weren't ' steroids '

For a western bodybuilder or lifter to be using testosterone before late 1954/1955 he would had to have known more about the biochemistry of testosterone and it's potential effects than any western sports physician - and have had access to what was then a relatively little known prescription drug. He would also had to have known more about how to effectively dose it than John Ziegler, who would go on to co-develop Dianabol just a few years later. As for before late 1954/1955, nobody in the west can say for sure exactly when the Soviets began using testosterone, but the likely date is sometime before October 1954 and possibly as early as 1952.

As mentioned, testosterone was first approved for prescription as a cancer, wasting and burn treatment in the U.S. in 1950. Before that it was classified as an experimental drug and not available even to physicians. For a bodybuilder to be using testosterone before 1950 he would not only had to have known more about the biochemistry, dosing and potential usage of it than anybody else in the world (including the research scientists working with it), but also have had access to what was then an experimental drug, isolated sporadically in limited amounts for controlled research purposes, and not produced in quantity.

All they had to do was read page 130 of July 1944 Readers Digest magazine, order the pills, take off the cap, eat 4 pills a day.
Simples.

Thin Lizzy · « **Reply #155 on:** February 16, 2015, 02:09:49 PM »

ND,

Do you know the year of this pic? This is as big as I've seen Reeves in a bodybuilding pose.

Skylge · « **Reply #156 on:** February 16, 2015, 02:10:55 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on February 16, 2015, 11:15:39 AM

He was actually smaller in all of his films , producers wanted him lighter because he dwarfed his fellow actors. I've seen reports where he was down to 190lbs or lighter from when he competed around 215lbs

Yeah that must be true: Lou Ferrigno had the same problem: all movie studios wanted him for his Oscar winning acting talent, but he dwarfed his fellow actors, so he constantly had to slim down......

The Scott · « **Reply #157 on:** February 16, 2015, 02:12:53 PM »

Time travel. The answer to how the early bodybuilders got access to these drugs is time travel. I mean, its obvious to anyone with even a modicum of intelligence, and by that I mean the mental ability needed to run basic non-voluntary bodily functions like respiration and heartbeat, that early bodybuilders were also time travelers. Simples.

So there we have it. All the proof needed to say for certain that Steve Reeves and his cohorts were in fact, on "stayroids". Time-fooking-travel.

FM, baby. FM.

Erik C · « **Reply #158 on:** February 16, 2015, 02:22:26 PM »

Quote from: BIG AL MCKECHNIE on February 16, 2015, 02:09:30 PM

All they had to do was read page 130 of July 1944 Readers Digest magazine, order the pills, take off the cap, eat 4 pills a day.
Simples.

That's why everyone who ordered and took those fake "get an erection" pills looked like Steve Reeves in 1944! That's right there were tens of thousands of great looking bodybuilder types just like Steve Reeves walking around in 1944, right? Had to be, if what you are saying is true. But wait! No there weren't! So, do you see why you're full of shit now?

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #159 on:** February 16, 2015, 02:22:40 PM »

Quote from: BIG AL MCKECHNIE on February 16, 2015, 02:09:30 PM

All they had to do was read page 130 of July 1944 Readers Digest magazine, order the pills, take off the cap, eat 4 pills a day.
Simples.

Yeah Cybergenics promised the same thing

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #160 on:** February 16, 2015, 02:23:28 PM »

Quote from: Thin Lizzy on February 16, 2015, 02:09:49 PM

ND,

Do you know the year of this pic? This is as big as I've seen Reeves in a bodybuilding pose.

Not sure but it's a competition pic and his last contest was 1950 , he retired at 24 because he won every major contest there was

Thespritz0 · « **Reply #161 on:** February 16, 2015, 02:23:37 PM »

Quote from: BB on February 16, 2015, 12:47:07 PM

Bodybuilding magazine horseshit. Again multiple compounds freely available to the point of methyltestosterone being avaliable for order through major magazines of the time, open discussion about it in the major media of the day (De Kruif's book, etc....), etc....

Again, did Reeves use? I don't know, I don't care. But to dismiss the idea that steroids weren't a complete unknown to the average man at the time? That is laughable. It smacks of a person simply trying to protect the name of boyhood idols.

^^
VERY well said, it was WELL KNOWN not only in the magazines, but by Doctors, and I'm SURE questions were asked by the physique community by even seeing the ads in magazines!!
P.S. What I wouldn't do for a few bottles today!!!!!!

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #162 on:** February 16, 2015, 02:28:29 PM »

Quote from: Thespritz0 on February 16, 2015, 02:23:37 PM

^^
VERY well said, it was WELL KNOWN not only in the magazines, but by Doctors, and I'm SURE questions were asked by the physique community by even seeing the ads in magazines!!
P.S. What I wouldn't do for a few bottles today!!!!!!

lmfao you think that's what you got back then?

BIG AL MCKECHNIE · « **Reply #163 on:** February 16, 2015, 02:39:05 PM »

Quote from: Erik C on February 16, 2015, 02:22:26 PM

That's why everyone who ordered and took those fake "get an erection" pills looked like Steve Reeves in 1944! That's right there were tens of thousands of great looking bodybuilder types just like Steve Reeves walking around in 1944, right? Had to be, if what you are saying is true. But wait! No there weren't! So, do you see why you're full of shit now?

Well sonny it's obvious that you would have no problem getting an erection as long as you had a Steve Reeves "Gladiator" film to watch.

polychronopolous · « **Reply #164 on:** February 16, 2015, 02:42:20 PM »

Players have attempted to gain chemical advantages in baseball since the earliest days of the sport. In 1889, for example, pitcher Pud Galvin became the first baseball player to be widely known for his use of performance-enhancing substances. Galvin was a user and vocal proponent of the Brown-Séquard Elixir, a testosterone supplement derived from the testicles of live animals such as dogs and guinea pigs.

The book The Baseball Hall of Shame's Warped Record Book, written by Bruce Nash, Bob Smith, Allan Zullo, and Lola Tipton,includes an account of Babe Ruth administering to himself an injection of an extract from sheep testicles. The experimental concoction allegedly proved ineffective, making Ruth ill and leading the Yankees to attribute his absence from the lineup to "a bellyache".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_in_baseball#Historical_use

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #165 on:** February 16, 2015, 02:51:36 PM »

Quote from: polychronopolous on February 16, 2015, 02:42:20 PM

Players have attempted to gain chemical advantages in baseball since the earliest days of the sport. In 1889, for example, pitcher Pud Galvin became the first baseball player to be widely known for his use of performance-enhancing substances. Galvin was a user and vocal proponent of the Brown-Séquard Elixir, a testosterone supplement derived from the testicles of live animals such as dogs and guinea pigs.

The book The Baseball Hall of Shame's Warped Record Book, written by Bruce Nash, Bob Smith, Allan Zullo, and Lola Tipton,includes an account of Babe Ruth administering to himself an injection of an extract from sheep testicles. The experimental concoction allegedly proved ineffective, making Ruth ill and leading the Yankees to attribute his absence from the lineup to "a bellyache".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_in_baseball#Historical_use

Wow that proves unequivocally that Reeves was juiced to the gills

polychronopolous · « **Reply #166 on:** February 16, 2015, 02:53:47 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on February 16, 2015, 02:51:36 PM

Wow that proves unequivocally that Reeves was juiced to the gills

Who said it did?

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #167 on:** February 16, 2015, 02:57:46 PM »

Quote from: polychronopolous on February 16, 2015, 02:53:47 PM

Who said it did?

I did

Anecdotes , hearsay , stories , all equate to proof on these matters.

polychronopolous · « **Reply #168 on:** February 16, 2015, 03:01:43 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on February 16, 2015, 02:57:46 PM

I did

Anecdotes , hearsay , stories , all equate to proof on these matters.

I just posted that little wiki article to see where people would take it.

Personally I think Reeves was natural but it's not completely out of the realm of possibility that he used test.

Thespritz0 · « **Reply #169 on:** February 16, 2015, 03:01:59 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on February 16, 2015, 02:28:29 PM

lmfao you think that's what you got back then?

^^
So you didn't see the ad?? Where it says "MAIL COUPON TODAY" simply scroll up a few inches...

Methyl Testosterone being sold through an ad in Popular Science in 1948 -

http://books.google.com/books?id=fiYDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA258&dq=methyltestosterone+hudson&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1niVU5r7CcqdyASxo4CAAQ&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=methyltestosterone%20hudson&f=false

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #170 on:** February 16, 2015, 03:09:11 PM »

Quote from: Thespritz0 on February 16, 2015, 03:01:59 PM

^^
So you didn't see the ad?? Where it says "MAIL COUPON TODAY" simply scroll up a few inches...

Methyl Testosterone being sold through an ad in Popular Science in 1948 -

http://books.google.com/books?id=fiYDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA258&dq=methyltestosterone+hudson&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1niVU5r7CcqdyASxo4CAAQ&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=methyltestosterone%20hudson&f=false

I've seen the ad , do you think you got pharmaceutical grade anabolic steroids?

because I have a bridge for sale.

Never1AShow · « **Reply #171 on:** February 16, 2015, 03:21:21 PM »

Quote from: oldtimer1 on February 16, 2015, 11:10:30 AM

All forms of testosterone. Not one anabolic steroid.

Anahahahahaa that's all I need to read, you lost this one with just that statement. He was a juicer.

Never1AShow · « **Reply #172 on:** February 16, 2015, 03:23:15 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on February 16, 2015, 11:15:39 AM

He was actually smaller in all of his films , producers wanted him lighter because he dwarfed his fellow actors. I've seen reports where he was down to 190lbs or lighter from when he competed around 215lbs

And the guy had exceptional genetics and muscle memory , you don't think it was possible to snap back into shape? He wasn't exceptionally large for his time either , Park was 225 at the same height. If he was 6'1" and weighed 235-240lbs I would entertain the thought , but 215lbs on a man with many consider to this day the best genetics the sports ever seen? come on

This is starting to sound like the rationalizations surrounding Michael Jackson. Oh he's special, he doesn't care about sex the way normal people do, blah blah blah, muscle memory exceptional genetics.

Never1AShow · « **Reply #173 on:** February 16, 2015, 03:29:36 PM »

Quote from: BB on February 16, 2015, 12:47:07 PM

Bodybuilding magazine horseshit. Again multiple compounds freely available to the point of methyltestosterone being avaliable for order through major magazines of the time, open discussion about it in the major media of the day (De Kruif's book, etc....), etc....

Again, did Reeves use? I don't know, I don't care. But to dismiss the idea that steroids weren't a complete unknown to the average man at the time? That is laughable. It smacks of a person simply trying to protect the name of boyhood idols.

Spot on, this is bodybuilding magazine horseshit. Some schmoe trying to rewrite history with poorly researched material. Reeves probably had a German cousin or something.

Never1AShow · « **Reply #174 on:** February 16, 2015, 03:35:32 PM »

Quote from: Thespritz0 on February 16, 2015, 02:23:37 PM

^^
VERY well said, it was WELL KNOWN not only in the magazines, but by Doctors, and I'm SURE questions were asked by the physique community by even seeing the ads in magazines!!
P.S. What I wouldn't do for a few bottles today!!!!!!

This whole Zeigler point is pure sheepshit and rests on the premise that test doesn't work and until Dbol came along there wasn't any point. That is a MORONIC position. Test cypionate, propionate, methyl test and a bunch of other shit on that list doesn't work for bodybuilding? Do you know how stupid that sounds?