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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2014, 02:17:28 PM »
OBAMA ADMINISTRATION’S CLAIM THAT LOIS LERNER’S EMAILS ARE “LOST” IS LUDICROUS (IRS security)
Power Line ^ | 06/16/2014 | JOHN HINDERAKER
Posted on June 14, 2014 at 3:23:25 PM EDT by Kid Shelleen

---snip--- Further, emails are universally backed up in some other medium, often electronic tape, for long-term storage. Thus, even if an email server is destroyed, or all emails are deleted from a server after a specified length of time, the emails are still recoverable from back-up storage media. The DOJ lawyer whom Scott quoted this morning was correct about this. The IRS, like virtually every other business or government entity, uses such a system. The Agency’s manual on “Managing Electronic Records” has been made public; you can read it here. A few relevant excerpts:

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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #26 on: June 14, 2014, 03:03:30 PM »
She resigns so she is absolved of all wrong doing? What fucked up world do you live in?


I don't think she did anything wrong....there were so many new "Tea Party" organization registered that it warranted audits and checks on it to insure that they were legit.  Case Closed
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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #27 on: June 14, 2014, 03:04:29 PM »
OBAMA ADMINISTRATION’S CLAIM THAT LOIS LERNER’S EMAILS ARE “LOST” IS LUDICROUS (IRS security)
Power Line ^ | 06/16/2014 | JOHN HINDERAKER
Posted on June 14, 2014 at 3:23:25 PM EDT by Kid Shelleen

---snip--- Further, emails are universally backed up in some other medium, often electronic tape, for long-term storage. Thus, even if an email server is destroyed, or all emails are deleted from a server after a specified length of time, the emails are still recoverable from back-up storage media. The DOJ lawyer whom Scott quoted this morning was correct about this. The IRS, like virtually every other business or government entity, uses such a system. The Agency’s manual on “Managing Electronic Records” has been made public; you can read it here. A few relevant excerpts:

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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #28 on: June 14, 2014, 03:09:49 PM »

I don't think she did anything wrong....there were so many new "Tea Party" organization registered that it warranted audits and checks on it to insure that they were legit.  Case Closed

She illegally forwarded IRS info to the FBI...she oversaw a process where groups were singled out for scrutiny based on their political views.   She should be in jail....

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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #29 on: June 14, 2014, 03:56:42 PM »
nothing will happen because the US Attorney won't prosecute because Lerner did not commit contempt and legally invoked the 5th amendment

but, Repubs will accomplish their goal of having another phony scandal to talk about on the campaign trail

How do you know this is a "phony" scandal?  You must agree ... the truth has not come forward and thanks to some deleted emails and eric holder, once again the public may never know the truth.  That is unless you know something ...

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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #30 on: June 14, 2014, 04:55:37 PM »

I don't think she did anything wrong....there were so many new "Tea Party" organization registered that it warranted audits and checks on it to insure that they were legit.  Case Closed

Case not closed, you may A OK with .gov fucking with whomever it wants, but I'm not. You fucking sheeple make me want to vomit.
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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #31 on: June 16, 2014, 06:40:58 AM »


Lawmakers Fume Over Lost Emails in IRS Probe



WASHINGTON June 13, 2014 (AP)

By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER Associated Press

 










































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Congressional investigators are fuming over revelations that the Internal Revenue Service has lost a trove of emails to and from a central figure in the agency's tea party controversy.

The IRS said Lois Lerner's computer crashed in 2011, wiping out an untold number of emails that were being sought by congressional investigators. The investigators want to see all of Lerner's emails from 2009 to 2013 as part of their probe into the way agents handled applications for tax-exempt status by tea party and other conservative groups.

Lerner headed the IRS division that processes applications for tax-exempt status. The IRS acknowledged last year that agents had improperly scrutinized applications by some conservative groups.

"Do they really expect the American people to believe that, after having withheld these emails for a year, they're just now realizing the most critical time period is missing?" said Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., chairman of the House Oversight Committee. "If there wasn't nefarious conduct that went much higher than Lois Lerner in the IRS targeting scandal, why are they playing these games?"

The Oversight Committee is one of three congressional committees investigating the IRS over its handling of tea party applications from 2010 to 2012. The Justice Department and the IRS inspector general are also investigating.

Congressional investigators have shown that IRS officials in Washington were closely involved in the handling of tea party applications, many of which languished for more than a year without action. But so far, they have not publicly produced evidence that anyone outside the agency directed the targeting or even knew about it.

If anyone in the Obama administration outside the agency was involved, investigators were hoping for clues in Lerner's emails.

"The fact that I am just learning about this, over a year into the investigation, is completely unacceptable and now calls into question the credibility of the IRS' response to congressional inquiries," said Rep. Dave Camp, R-Mich., chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee. "There needs to be an immediate investigation and forensic audit by Department of Justice as well as the inspector general."

The IRS said technicians went to great lengths trying to recover data from Lerner's computer in 2011. In emails provided by the IRS, technicians said they sent the computer to a forensic lab run by the agency's criminal investigations unit. But to no avail.

The IRS was able to generate 24,000 Lerner emails from the 2009 to 2011 because Lerner had copied in other IRS employees. The agency said it pieced together the emails from the computers of 82 other IRS employees.

But an untold number are gone. Camp's office said the missing emails are mainly ones to and from people outside the IRS, "such as the White House, Treasury, Department of Justice, FEC, or Democrat offices."

Anti-tax advocate Grover Norquist called the episode "the worst attempt to blame technology in service of a cover-up since the infamous 18-minute gap" in former President Richard Nixon's Watergate tapes.

The IRS said in a statement that more than 250 IRS employees have been working to assist congressional investigations, spending nearly $10 million to produce more than 750,000 documents.

Overall, the IRS said it is producing a total of 67,000 emails to and from Lerner, covering the period from 2009 to 2013.

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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #32 on: June 16, 2014, 06:58:18 AM »
June 15, 2014 6:45 PM
The Dog Ate My E-Mails, for Two Years 
 IT experts and the IRS’s own manual note that backups of Lerner’s e-mails must exist. 

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Who knew that the Obama administration had a penchant for black humor? Earlier this year, in February, President Obama told Bill O’Reilly during an interview on Fox News that there was “not even a smidgen of corruption” in the IRS scandal involving the targeting of conservative nonprofit groups. In July 2103, Treasury Secretary Jack Lew foreshadowed his boss’s nonchalance by insisting that there was “no evidence” that any political appointee had been involved in the scandal.

Now we may know why. After months of delay in responding to congressional inquiries, the IRS now claims that, for the period of January 2009 to April 2011, all e-mails between Lois Lerner — the IRS official at the center of the scandal — and anyone outside the IRS were wiped out by a “computer crash.” As House Ways and Means chairman Dave Camp wrote in a statement, this loss means that “we are conveniently left to believe that Lois Lerner acted alone.” After all, there isn’t a “smidgen” of e-mail evidence to suggest otherwise.





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A growing number of computer professionals are stepping forward to say that none of this makes sense. Norman Cillo, a former program manager at Microsoft, told The Blaze: “I don’t know of any e-mail administrator [who] doesn’t have at least three ways of getting that mail back. It’s either on the disks or it’s on a TAPE backup someplace on an archive server.” Bruce Webster, an IT expert with 30 years of experience consulting with dozens of private companies, seconds this opinion: “It would take a catastrophic mechanical failure for Lerner’s drive to suffer actual physical damage, but in any case, the FBI should be able to recover something. And the FBI and the Justice Department know it.”

In March of this year, John Koskinen, the new IRS commissioner, testified before Congress that all the e-mails of IRS employees are “stored in servers.” The agency’s own manual specifies that it “provides for backup and recovery of records to protect against information loss or corruption.” The reason is simple. It is well known in legal and IT circles that failure to preserve e-mails can lead to a court ruling of “spoliation of evidence.” That means a judge or jury is then instructed to treat deletions as if they were deliberate destruction of incriminating evidence.

Why is the loss of the Lerner e-mails particularly important? Last year’s report by the IRS inspector general set out a timeline of the IRS’s targeting of conservative groups. A full 16 of the 26 non-redacted events in the inspector general’s timeline took place during the period for which all of Lerner’s e-mails were “lost,” and these 16 instances refer to “e-mail” as the source for information on that event. As tax expert Alan Joel points out, much of the context about how the IRS scandal developed and who may have known about it is now “lost” in the black hole the Lerner e-mails are supposed to have been sucked into.

Since the IG report, we have learned that Lerner was engaged in highly suspect activity. As the Wall Street Journal editorial page noted on Saturday:


She shipped a database of 12,000 nonprofit tax returns to the FBI, the investigating agency for Justice’s Criminal Division. The IRS, in other words, was inviting Justice to engage in a fishing expedition, and inviting people not even licensed to fish in that pond. The Criminal Division (rather than the Tax Division) investigates and prosecutes under the Internal Revenue Code only when the crimes involve IRS personnel.

If there is an ongoing cover-up of the IRS scandal, it’s obvious why some folks would be desperate to continue it. Last year, Time magazine’s liberal columnist Joe Klein wrote that the IRS scandal placed President Obama “on the same page as Richard Nixon.” Article II of the Articles of Impeachment by the House Judiciary Committee in 1974 included a charge that Nixon had caused, “in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, income tax audits or other income tax investigations to be initiated or conducted in a discriminatory manner.” The Judiciary Committee was also deeply disturbed by the Nixon administration’s apparent efforts to conceal evidence. When investigators found a crucial “18-and-a-half-minute gap” from a Watergate break-in conversation involving Nixon and his aides, the administration implausibly claimed that Rose Mary Woods, Nixon’s longtime secretary, had accidentally erased that portion of the tape. Later, Woods herself said she could have been responsible for no more than five minutes of the gap.

Now we have the “IRS server ate the e-mails” excuse. “Barack Obama has brought us Jimmy Carter’s economy and Richard Nixon’s excuses,” Steve Stockman (R., Texas) waggishly observed Friday. At a minimum, the House committees investigating the IRS scandal should demand that everyone involved in the search for the Lerner e-mails appear before them and testify under oath. I strongly suspect that if anything is amiss, one or more employees will not want to commit perjury to protect political higher-ups.

Normally, an independent prosecutor would be appointed to get to the bottom of all this. But don’t expect such a move from Attorney General Eric Holder. When he was the No. 2 official at Justice during President Clinton’s second term, he was instrumental in blocking the appointment of any new special prosecutors for various Clinton scandals. Holder himself has mastered the art of withholding documents from Congress. In 2012, the House of Representatives (including 17 Democrats) voted to hold Eric Holder in contempt for ignoring a subpoena for documents in the Fast and Furious gun-running scandal.

As yet more evidence of this administration’s seeming tendency toward black humor, the current Justice Department investigation of the IRS scandal is being headed by Barbara Bosserman, a trial attorney who was a large donor to both of Barack Obama’s presidential campaigns, with her first donation dating all the way back to the primary season in 2008. But, of course, Justice says there’s no conflict of interest. Not even a smidgen.

— John Fund is national-affairs columnist for NRO and co-author of the recently released Obama’s Enforcer: Eric Holder’s Justice Department.

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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #33 on: June 17, 2014, 05:30:17 AM »
Those e-mails are not lost. The White House is intentionally preventing the committees from seeing them.

How can anyone, after hearing that e-mails were conveniently lost, continue to believe that this is not a scandal or continue to discredit the efforts of these congressional committees to get to the bottom of this situation?

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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #35 on: June 17, 2014, 07:44:34 AM »
Lois Lerner on IRS hard drive crash: ‘Sometimes stuff just happens’
The Washington Times ^  | Tuesday, June 17, 2014 | Stephen Dinan

Posted on ‎6‎/‎17‎/‎2014‎ ‎8‎:‎19‎:‎57‎ ‎AM by WhiskeyX

Lois G. Lerner, the employee at the center of the IRS tea party targeting scandal, wanted to recover files from her computer hard drive after it crashed in 2011, but when told it was impossible, she took a philosophical view.

“Sometimes stuff just happens,” she said in a 2011 email to the IRS tech staff that tried to recover documents from the hard drive.


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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #36 on: June 17, 2014, 08:32:58 AM »
White House Claims IRS Computer Crash Story Is Really True
The Daily Caller ^  | 17 Jun 2014 | Neil Munro

Posted on ‎6‎/‎17‎/‎2014‎ ‎11‎:‎18‎:‎26‎ ‎AM by mandaladon

White House spokesman Josh Earnest stonewalled reporters Monday, seeking an explanation for the administration’s Friday-night claim that a computer crash wiped out all the emails between IRS chief Lois Lerner and other agencies, including the White House.

“You’ve never heard of a computer crashing before?” Earnest told a reporter during a brief press gaggle while flying back to D.C. from President Barack Obama’s fundraising trip to California.

“A good faith effort has been made” to find the missing emails, he said.

Skepticism about the administration’s claim is “indicative of the kinds of conspiracy that are propagated around this story,” Earnest scoffed.

The claimed loss of emails have evoked much ridicule from GOP leaders, who argue that normal computer networks store backups of emails. “Ridiculous. #WH has to get serious,” reads a tweet from Reince Priebus, the chairman of the Republican Party.

From 2010 onward, Obama’s IRS officials used their tax power to cripple fundraising and advocacy at many Republican-leaning tea party groups before the 2012 election.

IRS official Lois Lerner played a central role in the suppression effort, but has refused to explain how the scheme began, and if the White House was involved.

Administration officials promised to send copies of Lerner’s emails to House GOP investigators. But they now say they have no copies of her messages to and from senior officials in other agencies, because her computer crashed.


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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #38 on: June 17, 2014, 11:28:48 AM »
Lerner's e-mails are not the only ones that are claimed to be lost. E-mails of six other people that are being investigated have also been lost.

So do you libtards still believe that there is no scandal? If there's "not even a smidgen of corruption" then WHY  COVER IT UP?

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/380576/irs-has-lost-more-e-mails-eliana-johnson#!

It’s not just Lois Lerner’s e-mails. The Internal Revenue Service says it can’t produce e-mails from six more employees involved in the targeting of conservative groups, according to two Republicans investigating the scandal.

The IRS told Ways and Means chairman Dave Camp and subcommittee chairman Charles Boustany that computer crashes resulted in additional lost e-mails, including from Nikole Flax, the chief of staff to former IRS commissioner Steven Miller, who was fired in the wake of the targeting scandal.

The revelation about Lerner’s e-mails rekindled the scandal and today’s news has further inflamed Republicans. Camp and Boustany are now demanding a special prosecutor to investigate “every angle” of the targeting. They expressed particular outrage that the agency has known since February that it would not be able to produce the e-mails requested by the committee yet did not apprise the committee of that fact, and they charged in a statement that the IRS is attempting to “cover up the fact that it convenient lost key documents in the investigation.”


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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #40 on: June 17, 2014, 11:38:43 AM »
The IRS scandal explodes
Flopping Aces ^  | 06-17-14 | DrJohn

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Over the last few weeks tension has been growing over the Lois Lerner/IRS scandal and today it has exploded. Lerner has been rather cavalier about the whole thing:



Lois G. Lerner, the employee at the center of the IRS tea party targeting scandal, wanted to recover files from her computer hard drive after it crashed in 2011, but when told it was impossible, she took a philosophical view.
“Sometimes stuff just happens,” she said in a 2011 email to the IRS tech staff that tried to recover documents from the hard drive.

Problem is, it's just not possible.



Norman Cillo, an Army veteran who worked in intelligence and a former program manager at Microsoft, argued it is very difficult to lose emails for good and laid out six reasons why he believes Congress is “being lied to” about the Lerner emails:
1. I believe the government uses Microsoft Exchange for their email servers. They have built-in exchange mail database redundancy. So, unless they did not follow Microsofts recommendations they are telling a falsehood. You can see by the diagram below that if you have three servers in a DAG you have three copies of the database.

2. Every IT organization that I know of has hotswappable disk drives. Every server built since 2000 has them. Meaning that if a single disk goes bad it’s easy to replace.

3. ALL Servers use some form of RAID technology. The only way that data can be totally lost (Meaning difficult to bring back) is if more than a single disk goes before the first bad disk is replaced. In the diagram below you can see that its possible to lose a single disk and still keep the data.

4. If the server crashed (Hardware failure other than disks), then the disks that contain the DATA for the Exchange database is still available because the server hardware and disks are exchangeable. Meaning that if I have another server with the same hardware in it, I can put the disks in and everything should boot right up.

5. All email servers in a professional organization use TAPE backup. Meaning if all the above fails, you can restore the server using the TAPE backups.

6. If they are talking about her local PC, then it’s a simple matter of going to the servers which have the email and getting them from the servers. If the servers have removed the data you can still get them by using the backups of the servers to recover the emails.

And were it possible, it should never have happened in the first place. The IRS is required to make hard copies of emails just in case the worst happened:



“The [Federal Records Act] requires agencies to make and preserve records of agency decisions, policies, and essential transactions, and to take steps to safeguard against the loss of agency records,” said House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Rep. Darrell Issa, who subpoenaed IRS Commissioner John Koskinen Monday.
The IRS’s own definition of the Federal Records Act makes clear that emails must be saved and documented, according to an instructional page for employees on the IRS website.

“The Federal Records Act applies to email records just as it does to records you create using other media,” according to the IRS. “Emails are records when they are: Created or received in the transaction of agency business; Appropriate for preservation as evidence of the government’s function and activities; or Valuable because of the information they contain.”

“If you create or receive email messages during the course of your daily work, you are responsible for ensuring that you manage them properly,” according to the IRS. “The Treasury Department’s current email policy requires emails and attachments that meet the definition of a federal record be added to the organization’s files by printing them (including the essential transmission data) and filing them with related paper records. If transmission and receipt data are not printed by the email system, annotate the paper copy.”

Now we learn that the computers of six more IRS employees involved in the investigation have conveniently crashed.

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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #41 on: June 17, 2014, 11:54:57 AM »
This stuff is just staggering. Nixon was impeached for WAAAAAY less than what obamas administration has done. Hell they have had at least 3-4 scandals already that were FAR worse than watergate. Yet barely a peep from the non-fox media.

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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #42 on: June 17, 2014, 01:06:46 PM »
This stuff is just staggering. Nixon was impeached for WAAAAAY less than what obamas administration has done. Hell they have had at least 3-4 scandals already that were FAR worse than watergate. Yet barely a peep from the non-fox media.
pretty much cause we don't care. now if it was the other way around, we'd be screaming. it's just politics 101
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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #43 on: June 17, 2014, 01:26:20 PM »
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Nixon was impeached for WAAAAAY less than what obamas administration has done. Hell they have had at least 3-4 scandals already that were FAR worse than watergate.

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This sounds easy to prove or disprove.

Please name the Obama scandals that were worse than Watergate. 

(BTW, do you really know much about Watergate?)


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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #44 on: June 17, 2014, 01:38:57 PM »
Watergate was comparatively minor ...Johnson had bugged Goldwater's office and plane in 1964...this is using the government to attack private citizens because you don't like their POV.  Who the fuck does Obama think he is,  Stalin?

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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #45 on: June 17, 2014, 01:39:25 PM »
This sounds easy to prove or disprove.

Please name the Obama scandals that were worse than Watergate. 

(BTW, do you really know much about Watergate?)



LMFAO!!!!  

Benghazi

Fast N Furious

IRS scandal

NSA spying

Spying on the media

NASA turning into a muslm outreach org

GZ mosque

just to name a few

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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #46 on: June 17, 2014, 01:40:40 PM »
pretty much cause we don't care. now if it was the other way around, we'd be screaming. it's just politics 101

That is why you are a traitor and a skell

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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #47 on: June 17, 2014, 06:14:08 PM »
That is why you are a traitor and a skell
and that's why you spend all day in the gym and can't even unscrew a water bottle cap. All for show but no depth.
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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #48 on: June 18, 2014, 11:22:11 AM »
Part of me hopes there is nothing there, because this could bring this scandal to crisis level with criminal prosecutions and whatnot. 

We are getting exactly what we voted for in 2008 and 2012.

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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #49 on: June 18, 2014, 11:23:26 AM »
Part of me hopes there is nothing there, because this could bring this scandal to crisis level with criminal prosecutions and whatnot. 

We are getting exactly what we voted for in 2008 and 2012.

Anyone surprised by this needs their head examined.