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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #100 on: June 04, 2014, 09:11:48 AM »
nobodys talking about shitty economy or benghazi.

the debate is whether or not obama did right thing by freeing a soldier.  Now, I'm thinking he would MUCH rather be having this discussion, than having one about benghazi.  Politicians have to be VERY careful standing up saying "We need to imprison this soldier who lost his marbles and went AWOL", particularly because last week the big story was just how shitty treatment for mental health issues was for soldiers. 

Obama would MUCH rather be having this discussion than Benghazi.  He's 100% wrong on this trade, most of us agree on that.  but it's a news story that has people all over the place.  Politicians have been very careful when talking about it, whereas with benghazi they can just come at obama 100% with claws out.  Can't do that in this case.  have to use kid gloves when talking about it.  All it takes is one fumbled response to "Do you think XYZ bill you voted against in 2007, which would have paid for more mental health assistance for soldiers, could have prevented this?" and suddenly the obama attackers are very much on the defense, you know?

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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #101 on: June 04, 2014, 09:12:26 AM »
This isn't working out well....

Nothing o-fag goes near EVER works out well.  He is the kiss of death

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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #102 on: June 04, 2014, 09:14:32 AM »
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/06/03/unit-comrade-bergdahl-was-that-one-guy-that-wanted-to-disappear


Yeah - o-traitor knows more than the people who were in his unit.   ::)  ::)

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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #103 on: June 04, 2014, 09:14:45 AM »
The soldiers coming out in droves, giving interviews and wishing this guy to be prosecuted and labeling him a deserter is the worst possible angle of this whole story for The White House.

How can they even counter something like that?

It's one thing if it's a Congressman or Senator saying these things.

But a fellow soldiers who were there!?

Yeah that's pretty damning.

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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #104 on: June 04, 2014, 09:16:36 AM »
nobodys talking about shitty economy or benghazi.

the debate is whether or not obama did right thing by freeing a soldier.  Now, I'm thinking he would MUCH rather be having this discussion, than having one about benghazi.  Politicians have to be VERY careful standing up saying "We need to imprison this soldier who lost his marbles and went AWOL", particularly because last week the big story was just how shitty treatment for mental health issues was for soldiers. 

Obama would MUCH rather be having this discussion than Benghazi.  He's 100% wrong on this trade, most of us agree on that.  but it's a news story that has people all over the place.  Politicians have been very careful when talking about it, whereas with benghazi they can just come at obama 100% with claws out.  Can't do that in this case.  have to use kid gloves when talking about it.  All it takes is one fumbled response to "Do you think XYZ bill you voted against in 2007, which would have paid for more mental health assistance for soldiers, could have prevented this?" and suddenly the obama attackers are very much on the defense, you know?

In my opinion the Bergdahl situation is far worse than Benghazi.  Benghazi was a muddled mess.  The current situation is straight forward and easy to understand.   How the Obama Administration would conclude that this is a better scandal to manage demonstrates a complete dissassociaton from reality.    
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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #105 on: June 04, 2014, 09:17:20 AM »
nobodys talking about shitty economy or benghazi.

the debate is whether or not obama did right thing by freeing a soldier.  Now, I'm thinking he would MUCH rather be having this discussion, than having one about benghazi.  Politicians have to be VERY careful standing up saying "We need to imprison this soldier who lost his marbles and went AWOL", particularly because last week the big story was just how shitty treatment for mental health issues was for soldiers. 

Obama would MUCH rather be having this discussion than Benghazi.  He's 100% wrong on this trade, most of us agree on that.  but it's a news story that has people all over the place.  Politicians have been very careful when talking about it, whereas with benghazi they can just come at obama 100% with claws out.  Can't do that in this case.  have to use kid gloves when talking about it.  All it takes is one fumbled response to "Do you think XYZ bill you voted against in 2007, which would have paid for more mental health assistance for soldiers, could have prevented this?" and suddenly the obama attackers are very much on the defense, you know?

Correct but the narrative he's trying to block or escape from is the VA issue. Its bipartisan and a clear fuck up on his part...this thing can go either way.  They knew that the swap would be controversial. What's become a nightmare has been the  reaction.......the Army is pissed.  Bergdahl should never have been allowed to enlist. I don't think he even knew what he was getting into.
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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #106 on: June 04, 2014, 09:18:05 AM »
Unit Comrade: Bergdahl Was ‘That One Guy That Wanted To Disappear’

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WASHINGTON — Three former members of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl’s platoon spoke to The Associated Press on Tuesday about Bergdahl’s disappearance, his freedom and how he should be treated now that he’s out. The interviews were facilitated by a public relations firm, Capitol Media Partners, co-owned by Republican strategist Richard Grenell. All three men said Bergdahl should be investigated for desertion. Army Secretary John McHugh said Tuesday that after Bergdahl has recovered, the Army will “review” the circumstances of his disappearance.

Taliban Video: Bergdahl Returned to U.S. Forces After 5 Years

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Joshua Cornelison, 25, who was a medic in the platoon:

Cornelison said Bergdahl was unusually reluctant to talk to fellow soldiers about his personal life or his background.

“He was very, very quiet. He kept everything very close to the vest,” Cornelison said, speaking from Sacramento, California. “So, after he actually left, the following morning we realized we have Bergdahl’s weapon, we have Bergdahl’s body armor, we have Bergdahl’s sensitive equipment (but) we don’t have Bowe Bergdahl.” At that point, Cornelison said, it occurred to him that Bergdahl was “that one guy that wanted to disappear, and now he’s gotten his wish.”

Cornelison, who completed his Army service in 2012, said he believes Bergdahl should be held accountable.

“Bowe Bergdahl needs to be held 100 percent accountable for all of his irresponsibility and all of his actions. He willfully deserted his post and he needs to be held accountable for that,” he said.

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Evan Buetow, 27, who was a sergeant in the platoon:

Buetow, speaking from Maple Valley, Washington, said Bergdahl had asked him a number of questions a short time before his disappearance that, in retrospect, make it apparent that Bergdahl had been planning to leave.

Bergdahl asked him, for example, how much of a cash advance he could get and how to go about mailing home his personal computer and other belongings. He also asked what would happen if his weapon and other sensitive items such as night vision goggles went missing. He said he told Bergdahl that, as any soldier would know, that would be “a big deal.”

“At the time … it wasn’t really alarming” to hear Bergdahl ask about those things, Buetow said. “Yes, it was a kind of off-the-wall question,” but the notion of a fellow soldier running off during the night seemed so far-fetched as to not be possible, he said.

Buetow said he feels strongly that Bergdahl should face trial for desertion, but he said it is less clear that he should be blamed for the deaths of all soldiers killed during months of trying to find him. Beutow said he knows of at least one death on an intelligence-directed infantry patrol to a village in search of Bergdahl. More broadly, the mission of his entire unit changed after Bergdahl’s disappearance because it began to incorporate efforts to pursue clues to his whereabouts.

“Those soldiers who died on those missions, they would not have been where they were … if Bergdahl had never walked away,” he said. “At the same time I do believe it is somewhat unfair for people to say, ‘It is Bergdahl’s fault that these people are dead.’ I think that’s a little harsh.”

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Matt Vierkant, 27, of Sioux Falls, South Dakota, was a team leader of another squad in Bergdahl’s platoon.

He’s now out of the military and studying mechanical engineering.

Soldiers from his unit and other units were wounded or killed on missions to chase down leads related to Bergdahl, he said.

Asked about the statement Sunday by National Security Adviser Susan Rice that Bergdahl served “with honor and distinction,” he said: “That statement couldn’t be further from the truth. I don’t know if she was misinformed or doesn’t know about the investigations and everything else, or what.”

He said Bergdahl’s fellow soldiers knew within five or 10 minutes from the discovery of disappearance that he had walked away. In retrospect the signs were there, he said, but there was nothing so definitive that would have prompted action.

“He said some strange things, like, ‘I could get lost in those mountains,’ which, at the time, that doesn’t really strike you as someone who is going to leave their weapon and walk out.”

Vierkant said he believes it’s paramount that an investigation determine whether Bergdahl deserted or collaborated with the enemy.

“It shouldn’t even be a question of whether, it should question of when,” he said.

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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #107 on: June 04, 2014, 09:20:24 AM »
http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2014/06/02/Who-Wrote-Susan-Rice-s-Talking-Points-This-Time


Exactly - this is like Benghazi all over again - Susan Rice sent out to lie w bogus talking points that are clearly lies and false. 

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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #108 on: June 04, 2014, 09:28:36 AM »
In my opinion the Bergdahl situation is far worse than Benghazi.  Benghazi was a muddled mess.  The current situation is straight forward and easy to understand.   How the Obama Administration would conclude that this is a better scandal to manage demonstrates a complete dissassociaton from reality.    

You could argue that the swap was done for the right reason..getting our guy back. What they didn't care about...and I say care because there was a 15-6 done and I think they concluded he was AWOL.....is the backlash from active and former soldiers and now the republican party. If this guy was Rambo and captain America all in one...hard as hell to argue.....pretty easy however when he comes across as a piece of shit and a blithering idiot.
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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #109 on: June 04, 2014, 09:29:55 AM »


Asked about the statement Sunday by National Security Adviser Susan Rice that Bergdahl served “with honor and distinction,” he said: “That statement couldn’t be further from the truth. I don’t know if she was misinformed or doesn’t know about the investigations and everything else, or what.”


The level of incompetence is unbelievable.

That is our National Security Adviser speaking right there.

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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #110 on: June 04, 2014, 09:34:12 AM »
Its actually very discouraging...at our level we practice this twice a year with everything we're going to do and these people either refuse to participate or just don't care..now they care and its a disaster.
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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #111 on: June 04, 2014, 10:00:39 AM »
You could argue that the swap was done for the right reason..getting our guy back. What they didn't care about...and I say care because there was a 15-6 done and I think they concluded he was AWOL.....is the backlash from active and former soldiers and now the republican party. If this guy was Rambo and captain America all in one...hard as hell to argue.....pretty easy however when he comes across as a piece of shit and a blithering idiot.

I agree.  The portrayal of Bergdahl as a hero and a victim is extremely disturbing and manipulative.  Surely they had access to the information regarding Bergdahls possible desertion.   How they could believe this whole debacle would come off without a hitch is beyond my ability to understand.    Parading his shady father around is another major fuck up.  Personally I'm not sure the trade was worth it.
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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #113 on: June 04, 2014, 12:18:56 PM »
Rubio: Obama ‘Believes He’s Become A Monarch Or An Emperor’
06/03/2014

Florida Republican Senator Marco Rubio savaged President Obama for his failure to notify Congress about the release of five Taliban prisoners from Guantanamo Bay as the law requires, claiming the president “believes somehow he’s become a monarch or an emperor.”

Rubio spoke Tuesday with Fox News’ host Gretchen Carlson about the White House’s refusal to tell Congress before they traded five high-level Taliban prisoners for Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, captured by the Taliban after his likely desertion in 2009.

“The president has violated the law here,” the Florida senator asserted. “The law is very clear. He must give congressional notification 30 days before any prisoner in Guantanamo is released. He failed to do that.”

“Apparently the only person he told was [Senate Majority Leader] Harry Reid,” Rubio continued. “He didn’t even tell the chairwoman of the intelligence committee, a Democrat, Diane Feinstein.”

“This is a pattern of behavior by this White House,” the lawmaker later declared. “He believes somehow that he’s become a monarch or an emperor, that can basically ignore the law and do whatever he wants. And there’s a real, growing frustration — even among Democrats — at this sort of behavior.”

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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #114 on: June 04, 2014, 12:50:53 PM »

Good?  Bad?  Indifferent?


I'm on the fence about this one.  If it was my ass in captivity, I would want the trade, lol.  But, I also think it sends a bad message.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/06/01/chuck-hagel-susan-rice-defend-decision-to-trade-terror-suspects-for-bergdahl-swap/


bad...the absolute worst possible thing that happened since the war started!

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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #115 on: June 04, 2014, 12:53:47 PM »

Good?  Bad?  Indifferent?


I'm on the fence about this one.  If it was my ass in captivity, I would want the trade, lol.  But, I also think it sends a bad message.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/06/01/chuck-hagel-susan-rice-defend-decision-to-trade-terror-suspects-for-bergdahl-swap/



Debatable, for sure.

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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #116 on: June 04, 2014, 01:55:30 PM »
Bergdahls is the new Benghazi which is the old Obamacare.

Despite all the whining and crying over it, the GOP isn't going to hammer the issue home and make it a rallying point for their benefit.  They are too pussy whipped to actually turn it into actions.  Impeachment?  HAHAHAHA.

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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #117 on: June 04, 2014, 02:10:46 PM »
Bergdahls is the new Benghazi which is the old Obamacare.

Despite all the whining and crying over it, the GOP isn't going to hammer the issue home and make it a rallying point for their benefit.  They are too pussy whipped to actually turn it into actions.  Impeachment?  HAHAHAHA.

I dont usually go this route but all I can say is get obamas dick out of your ass.  I say ass because that is what youre talking out of.
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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #118 on: June 04, 2014, 02:17:59 PM »
I dont usually go this route but all I can say is get obamas dick out of your ass.  I say ass because that is what youre talking out of.

Feel free to prove me wrong.  The last two rallying points really worked out well huh?

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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #119 on: June 04, 2014, 02:23:55 PM »
Feel free to prove me wrong.  The last two rallying points really worked out well huh?

The fact is, all your capable of is carrying water for Obama like every other mindless dumbass follower.  You have no goddamn scruples.  Youre contribution to this thread consists of gloating like fairy. 
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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #120 on: June 04, 2014, 02:29:34 PM »
The fact is, all your capable of is carrying water for Obama like every other mindless dumbass follower.  You have no goddamn scruples.  Youre contribution to this thread consists of gloating like fairy. 

Translation - "Maybe the little GOP will really put some effort into this issue so I can then say 'oh look you were wrong' "
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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #121 on: June 04, 2014, 02:41:52 PM »
Translation - "Maybe the little GOP will really put some effort into this issue so I can then say 'oh look you were wrong' "
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Youre a pathetic fuck who only cares when the other team plays dirty.  Keep using the rolling eyes like a teenage girl.  It suits you.  As I said, all you do is gloat like a fairy instead of actually thinking about the issue and making a relevent comment on it.   Its not about what the gop does its about what the obama administration did.  Partisan hacks like you dont know the difference.
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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #122 on: June 04, 2014, 02:46:23 PM »
Youre a pathetic fuck who only cares when the other team plays dirty.  Keep using the rolling eyes like a teenage girl.  It suits you.  As I said, all you do is gloat like a fairy instead of actually thinking about the issue and making a relevent comment on it.   Its not about what the gop does its about what the obama administration did.  Partisan hacks like you dont know the difference.

Meltdown.

Don't worry.  After the ass raping Obama has given the GOP with Obamacare, FF, Benghazi, the IRS scandal, etc.. etc.. etc.. you are pretty well lubed up.  Don't blame the rest of us because the GOP doesn't have a backbone to pursue action against him.

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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #123 on: June 04, 2014, 02:51:50 PM »
Meltdown.

Don't worry.  After the ass raping Obama has given the GOP with Obamacare, FF, Benghazi, the IRS scandal, etc.. etc.. etc.. you are pretty well lubed up.  Don't blame the rest of us because the GOP doesn't have a backbone to pursue action against him.

Again, your dumbass is missing the point entirely. Its not about the GOP.  Thats all you can think about.  I suppose thats your way of disassociating yourself from the issue.
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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #124 on: June 04, 2014, 02:55:07 PM »
Archer is making a good point:  this really shouldn't be a partisan issue.  And I'm not sure it is at this point?  The fact the president broke the law and traded terrorists for a detainee is very troubling.  That's the issue, not whether Obama will be impeached, etc.  This isn't about keeping some political scorecard.