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Re: "Obama clearly broke the law" - time for jail and impeachment
« Reply #50 on: June 03, 2014, 11:04:45 AM »
Several times in several sizes in random spots of a post.  
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It's true!!  It's like we're seeing directly into Dario's tortured and addled brain where some voices are louder than others, lol.

BTW, you have made me laugh several times today. 

All you can hope from reading this board, really.


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Re: "Obama clearly broke the law" - time for jail and impeachment
« Reply #51 on: June 03, 2014, 11:08:04 AM »
Did I make you laugh?  Or did you laugh out loud?   Or maybe you just LOL?

Or maybe what you really meant is factoring in the (obvious) ignoring of the homosexual projections that are so prevalent from a poster in question is that you simply sat there and experienced a great beam of sunshine inside your soul that spread to your face where it radiated outwards in the form of a chuckle.

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Re: "Obama clearly broke the law" - time for jail and impeachment
« Reply #52 on: June 03, 2014, 11:15:26 AM »
And how exactly does anything you wrote make any fucking sense at all? So let me get this straight, Obama can simply ignore the law? Then why do we have laws? Shit is the POTUS can just ignore the law, then I should be able to as well...........


YES, he most certainly can ignore ignore the law because it interferes with his executive power that he has as president.  He doesn't have to follow that law as the Constitution gives him the authority to override congressional laws
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Re: "Obama clearly broke the law" - time for jail and impeachment
« Reply #53 on: June 03, 2014, 11:17:39 AM »

YES, he most certainly can ignore ignore the law because it interferes with his executive power that he has as president.  He doesn't have to follow that law as the Constitution gives him the authority to override congressional laws


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Re: "Obama clearly broke the law" - time for jail and impeachment
« Reply #54 on: June 03, 2014, 11:19:39 AM »

YES, he most certainly can ignore ignore the law because it interferes with his executive power that he has as president.  He doesn't have to follow that law as the Constitution gives him the authority to override congressional laws


No he cannot ignore the fucking law, if that is the case there is no fucking law. You ignorant asshole, he would be a dictator and not a president. For fuck sake I though everyone had to pass a constitution test before they could get out of 8th grade  ::)
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Re: "Obama clearly broke the law" - time for jail and impeachment
« Reply #55 on: June 03, 2014, 11:32:01 AM »
WH apologizes to Senate intel chief for prisoner swap secret
   
 



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By Alexander Bolton - 06/03/14 01:22 PM EDT





























White House Backpedals After Claiming Bergdahl 'Served With Honor And Distinction'

























































































The White House has apologized to Senate Intelligence Committee Chairwoman Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) for failing to alert her in advance of a decision to release Taliban commanders from Guantanamo Bay.

Feinstein told reporters that she received a call from Deputy National Security Adviser Tony Blinken on Monday evening apologizing for what the administration is calling an “oversight.”



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“I had a call from the White House last night, from Tony Blinken, apologizing for it,” she said.
“He apologized and said it was an oversight,” she added.

Feinstein also said leaders of the House and Senate Intelligence panels were almost unanimously against a prisoner trade when it came up in 2011.

She said the chairmen and ranking Republicans of the “connected committees” spent a lot of time in 2011 reviewing the possibility of a prisoner swap and came out firmly opposed to releasing senior militants from the prison camp at Guantanamo Bay.

“There were very strong views and they were virtually unanimous against the trade,” she said.

“I certainly want to know more about whether this man was a deserter,” she said of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, who was released to American special forces in return for the freedom of five senior Taliban commanders.

Administration officials have said in public that they did not have time to inform Congress of the prisoner swap because Bergdahl’s life was in danger and they did not know how long the Taliban would be willing to wait to finalize the deal.

The National Defense Authorization Act required the administration to alert Congress of the pending release of prisoners from Guantanamo at least 30 days in advance.

“The notification to us is important and I think that it would have been a much better thing to do because you do try to work together,” Feinstein said.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said Tuesday he was notified by the administration of the prisoner swap immediately before it
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Re: "Obama clearly broke the law" - time for jail and impeachment
« Reply #56 on: June 03, 2014, 11:45:37 AM »
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June 3, 2014 6:45 AM

The Taliban Swap and 'High Crimes and Misdemeanors'
 
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The Wall Street Journal had a fine editorial Monday on President Obama’s reckless decision to negotiate with the Taliban and release from Guantanamo Bay five of its most senior, most capable, most implacably anti-American jihadists for an American army sergeant who, according to accounts from his fellow soldiers, went AWOL in 2009. I addressed the swap in a Corner post over the weekend and in a column yesterday.

Faithless Execution, my book on presidential lawlessness and the Constitution’s ultimate response to it, impeachment, has just been released. I’ve thus been repeatedly asked about the president’s violation of a federal statute in carrying out the exchange and whether this rises to the level of a “high crime and misdemeanor,” the constitutional standard for impeachable offenses that is prominently discussed in my book. This line of inquiry misses the point. There surely is an impeachable offense in this irresponsible deal, but it involves the commander-in-chief’s dereliction of duty, not his failure to comply with dubious statutory terms.

The National Defense Authorization Act states that the president must give Congress 30 days’ notice before transferring war prisoners out of Gitmo, along with an explanation of steps taken to mitigate any potential threat the release poses to the United States. The administration concedes that the president did not comply with this law in releasing the Taliban commanders. The Journal’s editors pooh-pooh the allegation of some Republican lawmakers that this makes the exchange illegal; they argue, to the contrary, that the law is an “unconstitutional” constraint on the president’s “wartime decision-making.” The editors have a point, though one that is undercut by the president himself.

Article II of the Constitution gives the president significant unilateral authority over the conduct of foreign affairs. As commander-in-chief, moreover, the president has traditionally had near plenary authority over the capture and disposition of enemy combatants in wartime. Congress has salient constitutional powers, too. As the Journal points out, Congress could properly have used “its comparably strong power of the purse” to deny the president funding for objectionable prisoner transfers. Instead, with the 30-day notice prescription, it purported to legislate direct limitations on the president’s prerogatives. The president’s commander-in-chief prerogatives may be frustrated by Congress’s exercise of its competing spending power, but Congress may not legislate away the president’s Article II powers—i.e., the Constitution may not be amended by a mere statute. The Journal is right on that score.

The problem in this instance, however, is two-fold. First, there is the now-familiar hypocrisy point. Throughout the Bush administration, when the president relied on his constitutional authority to override congressional restrictions on his wartime surveillance authority and control over enemy combatants, the Left, including then-Senator Obama and many of the lawyers now working in his administration, screamed bloody murder. Some even suggested that he should be impeached for violating the FISA statute. President Obama, of course, is now doing the same thing he and his allies previously condemned. As I contend in Faithless Execution, he is doing it far more sweepingly and systematically than Bush, whose statutory violations occurred in the context of his incontestable war powers and were strongly supported by judicial precedents.

Of course, on the straight legal question, hypocrisy is beside the point: If the statutory restrictions in the NDAA are unconstitutional, President Obama is within his rights to ignore them. The fact that doing so demonstrates the mendacity of his complaints about Bush says much about his character but it is legally irrelevant.

Perhaps because he knows this, though, the president is soft-selling his constitutional authority to ignore laws that improperly restrict his powers to transfer wartime detainees to other countries. The Journal emphasizes that the president asserted his constitutional objection in a fleeting statement back when he signed the NDAA. The editors have to go back to the signing statement because the administration has been reluctant, in the specific context of the Taliban release, to declare that Obama—in Bush/Cheney style—is relying on Article II war powers to ignore statutes. Administration officials instead blather about some purported presidential power to waive Congress’s restrictions if the president unilaterally perceives exigent circumstances. That is, as with Obamacare, the immigration laws, and other enactments, Obama is claiming the despotic power to amend, rewrite and ignore the NDAA at his whim.

To my mind, the dispute is nearly irrelevant. The vital point here is that the president has returned five senior commanders to the Taliban and Haqqani network while those violent jihadist organizations are still conducting offensive attacks against American troops, who are still in harm’s way and still conducting combat operations pursuant to a congressional authorization of military force.

These terrorists were not exchanged in connection with a final peace settlement in which it would be appropriate to exchange detainees—after all, if there is no more war, even unlawful enemy combatant prisoners must be released unless they can be charged with crimes.

While the president is obviously abandoning the war effort, it has not been fully abandoned yet. The Taliban and Haqqani have not surrendered or settled; they are still working hard to kill our troops. It is thus mind-bogglingly irresponsible for the commander-in-chief to replenish their upper ranks. The reason the laws of war permit enemy combatants to be detained until the conclusion of hostilities is humane: when enemy forces are depleted, they have a greater incentive to surrender, bringing a swifter, less bloody conclusion to the war. By giving the enemy back its most effective commanders, Obama, by contrast, endangers our forces, potentially extends the war, and otherwise makes it far more likely that the war will end on terms injurious to American interests.

As I demonstrate in Faithless Execution, high crimes and misdemeanors are not primarily statutory offenses. They are the political wrongs of high public officials—the president, in particular—in whom great public trust is reposed. When the commander-in-chief replenishes the enemy at a time when (a) the enemy is still attacking our forces and (b) the commander-in-chief has hamstrung our forces with unconscionable combat rules-of-engagement that compromise their ability to defend themselves, that is a profound dereliction of duty.

That’s what we ought to be outraged about. The chitter-chatter about a 30-day notice requirement is a sideshow. Yes, the president has once again violated a statute. And as I said in yesterday’s column, he undoubtedly did so in order to get the swap done before public and congressional protest could mount. But in the greater scheme of things, that’s a footnote to the real travesty.

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Re: "Obama clearly broke the law" - time for jail and impeachment
« Reply #57 on: June 03, 2014, 01:34:52 PM »

No he cannot ignore the fucking law, if that is the case there is no fucking law. You ignorant asshole, he would be a dictator and not a president. For fuck sake I though everyone had to pass a constitution test before they could get out of 8th grade  ::)


One law doesn't trump another law that's in the Constitution.....GOP and the flat earthers can moan and bitch but it won't matter
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Re: "Obama clearly broke the law" - time for jail and impeachment
« Reply #58 on: June 03, 2014, 01:47:12 PM »

One law doesn't trump another law that's in the Constitution.....GOP and the flat earthers can moan and bitch but it won't matter

You don't have a clue what you are talking about, the POTUS does not have limitless power to do as he pleases.
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Re: "Obama clearly broke the law" - time for jail and impeachment
« Reply #59 on: June 03, 2014, 02:05:17 PM »

The president has an executive order clause you moron.  If he had waited for Congress to act, he would have been dead by now.  Shut the fuck up

What is an "executive order clause"? 

He issued a signing statement.  That's not an executive order.  Also, an executive order cannot change a federal law.  Unless your name is Obama.  And you're the president.   

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Re: "Obama clearly broke the law" - time for jail and impeachment
« Reply #60 on: June 03, 2014, 02:07:00 PM »
Still waiting for a link that clearly states a 30 day mandatory wait is required for executive orders.

Little retardario makes this claim and yet can't support.  Surely there will be some evidence out there you think?

Not interested in what any professor or idiots like yourself claim.

Both Toobin and Turley are liberals. 

Do you disagree with what they said? 

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Re: "Obama clearly broke the law" - time for jail and impeachment
« Reply #61 on: June 03, 2014, 02:08:01 PM »
Exactly.  But let's not let a little fact or logic interfere with the whinefest the dimwits are doing. 

You're taking Vince's word and not asking him for a link? 

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Re: "Obama clearly broke the law" - time for jail and impeachment
« Reply #62 on: June 03, 2014, 02:12:03 PM »
You're taking Vince's word and not asking him for a link? 

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Re: "Obama clearly broke the law" - time for jail and impeachment
« Reply #63 on: June 03, 2014, 02:14:54 PM »
What is an "executive order clause"?  

He issued a signing statement.  That's not an executive order.  Also, an executive order cannot change a federal law.  Unless your name is Obama.  And you're the president.  


Article II of the Constitution

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Two_of_the_United_States_Constitution


Its also been settled in previous court cases:

In the landmark decision Nixon v. General Services Administration Justice William Rehnquist, afterwards the Chief Justice, declared in his dissent the need to "fully describe the preeminent position that the President of the United States occupies with respect to our Republic. Suffice it to say that the President is made the sole repository of the executive powers of the United States, and the powers entrusted to him as well as the duties imposed upon him are awesome indeed."





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Re: "Obama clearly broke the law" - time for jail and impeachment
« Reply #64 on: June 03, 2014, 02:17:31 PM »
So if Obama declared that by executive powers all blacks had to get back on ships to Africa in the name of public safety you are cool with it?   :D

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Re: "Obama clearly broke the law" - time for jail and impeachment
« Reply #65 on: June 03, 2014, 02:21:25 PM »
One more thing.....the only thing I could see being an issue is the "Take Care Clause" .  The president is responsible for executing laws even if he disagrees with it.  

However....I believe that this guy was traded for reasons that are not aware to us considering that we've known where he was for over 4 years.  I do believe that he may face a court martial for desertion once he's debriefed.  However, he's not going to get any punishment other than a general discharge as 5 years as a POW is more than enough punishment and that's IF HE GETS PUNISHED.  He could be propped up like a hero 
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Re: "Obama clearly broke the law" - time for jail and impeachment
« Reply #66 on: June 03, 2014, 02:23:14 PM »
One more thing.....the only thing I could see being an issue is the "Take Care Clause" .  The president is responsible for executing laws even if he disagrees with it. 

However....I believe that this guy was traded for reasons that are not aware to us considering that we've known where he was for over 4 years

Correct - to get the VA scandal out of the news.   ;)

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Re: "Obama clearly broke the law" - time for jail and impeachment
« Reply #67 on: June 03, 2014, 02:25:09 PM »
Correct - to get the VA scandal out of the news.   ;)


Exactly....that's one thing that should be clear to everyone and even I'm not going to dispute that.  Its just a smokescreen to get everyone feeling good.  I think that he would have been left to hang had it not been for the VA scandal. 

On the other hand, its funny that he didn't get his head chopped off or end up dead in the desert...WHY????
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Re: "Obama clearly broke the law" - time for jail and impeachment
« Reply #68 on: June 03, 2014, 02:29:56 PM »

YES, he most certainly can ignore ignore the law because it interferes with his executive power that he has as president.  He doesn't have to follow that law as the Constitution gives him the authority to override congressional laws

Seriously?  So just forget about that Constitutional mandate that  he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed"?

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Re: "Obama clearly broke the law" - time for jail and impeachment
« Reply #69 on: June 03, 2014, 03:01:17 PM »
Seriously?  So just forget about that Constitutional mandate that  he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed"?

That's the thing...the president can argue for either law.  He has just as much right to do it as to not do it
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Re: "Obama clearly broke the law" - time for jail and impeachment
« Reply #70 on: June 03, 2014, 03:03:13 PM »
That's the thing...the president can argue for either law.  He has just as much right to do it as to not do it

Not following you.  What do you mean he "can argue for either law"?  What laws are you talking about? 

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Re: "Obama clearly broke the law" - time for jail and impeachment
« Reply #71 on: June 03, 2014, 03:19:45 PM »
6 U.S. soldiers dead and 5 Taliban released all for 1 guy who deserted his camp and went AWOL during war.

Absolutely disgraceful decision by Obama.

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Re: "Obama clearly broke the law" - time for jail and impeachment
« Reply #72 on: June 03, 2014, 03:38:34 PM »
You need to educate yourself.

The law requires a 30 day notice by the president before he makes a any prisoner swap. I know that the only law that you accept is the crapcare law, but we are a nation of many laws and there are other laws that restrict the authority of your lord and savior brack the joke obama.

HE BROKE THE LAW. His executive power has nothing to do with this and HE IS NOT SUPPOSED TO USE IT in any case like this without FIRST providing notice to congress. PERIOD.

You leftist idiots didn't like Bush doing the same thing, SO WHY DO YOU BEND OVER BACKWARDS TO DEFEND THE FAILUREINTHEWHITEHOUSE FOR DOING THE SAME EXACT THING?

because at the end of the day, they could give a rats ass about any of this.  all they care about is gay marriage and abortion.  they only pretended to care about this shit when Bush was in office.  none of them have given Gitmo a second thought since 2008.

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Re: "Obama clearly broke the law" - time for jail and impeachment
« Reply #73 on: June 03, 2014, 03:55:49 PM »

Article II of the Constitution

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Two_of_the_United_States_Constitution


Its also been settled in previous court cases:

In the landmark decision Nixon v. General Services Administration Justice William Rehnquist, afterwards the Chief Justice, declared in his dissent the need to "fully describe the preeminent position that the President of the United States occupies with respect to our Republic. Suffice it to say that the President is made the sole repository of the executive powers of the United States, and the powers entrusted to him as well as the duties imposed upon him are awesome indeed."




Holy shit dude, you are one dumb motherf_cker.

First, Obama can't do whatever he wants.

Second, Nixon LOST the Supreme Court case.



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Re: "Obama clearly broke the law" - time for jail and impeachment
« Reply #74 on: June 03, 2014, 04:47:45 PM »

Holy shit dude, you are one dumb motherf_cker.

First, Obama can't do whatever he wants.

Second, Nixon LOST the Supreme Court case.




I cited the wrong one....but this case still proves point on executive order
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