English Defence League(EDL)

[Donny]

Nope.

I have Jewish mate  

Might be a problem for your friends at the EDL, though.

NONE of us are members of the EDL but support Patriotism. People here are twisting things. Sure a small group are in there and taking profit. However at the end of the Day Islam is our Enemy.

[_aj_]

I have Jewish mate  

Is that "mate" as in a friend or your wife? Honest question as I can't infer from the rest of the post.

Remember that the Allies had to hold their noses with the Soviets, knowing that eventually Uncle Joe would get around to stabbing them in the back. Sometimes, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[SuperTed]

TBH I'm not sure how anti-semetic or "Neo-Nazi" the EDL are now.
I'd imagine that they have some members of Jewish background.

The average "far right nut" in Europe right now is usually quite pro-Zionist/Israel (Anders Breivik for instance).
Islamic fundamentalists are actually probably closer to Neo-Nazism than them.

The vast majority of Muslims I know (including some very good friends) are great people. However, the problem is that there is a very dangerous minority among them that hold extremist views. Even if these fundamentalists only make up about 5-10% of the UK Muslim population, that's still a hell of a lot of people when you consider the Muslim population within the UK is already in its millions and is rapidly growing too.

[_aj_]

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/seanthomas/100284604/the-self-loathing-of-the-british-left-is-now-a-problem-for-us-all/

[HonestBob]

Have I suggested such a thing? I am suggesting looking clear-eyed at the danger in your house, something many (most) of you are not willing to do. Probably because of your fear of the "right wing fascist" is clouding your judgement.

I posit that you'll be looking suspiciously around the corner for the next "right wing Nazi" while the enemy you're ignoring slits your throat.

Not me my friend.

I'd willingly help develop a nano-virus to kill all hardcore muslims who want to impose Sharia and all that goes with it.  

But evil doesn't beat evil.  Europe has probably fucked itself and it is too late, the enemy is within.  Now the only solution is education and integration because anything else would lead to more and more terror.  Or the nano-virus.

I appreciate that you don't get that as your stance on Israel gives everything away.

In life I believe that you have to compromise whether you like it or not if you want to build something that is bigger than just your own tiny island.  I see that in business all the time and I believe the lessons hold true in politics.

[noc]

Is that "mate" as in a friend or your wife? Honest question as I can't infer from the rest of the post.

I have Friends who are Black.

[HonestBob]

TBH I'm not sure how anti-semetic or "Neo-Nazi" the EDL are now.
I'd imagine that they have some members of Jewish background.

The average "far right nut" in Europe right now is usually quite pro-Zionist/Israel (Anders Breivik for instance).
Islamic fundamentalists are actually probably closer to Neo-Nazism than them.

The vast majority of Muslims I know (including some very good friends) are great people. However, the problem is that there is a very dangerous minority among them that hold extremist views. Even if these fundamentalists only make up about 5-10% of the UK Muslim population, that's still a hell of a lot of people when you consider the Muslim population within the UK is already in its millions and is rapidly growing too.

10% fundamentalists means how many leaning towards Islamification?  I think a lot.

I will never forget that on the night of September 11th 2001 East London was ablaze with carnival celebrations.  It was sickening.

A few days later in that same area I even kicked someone out of the gym I went to because he said the Yanks deserved it and had brought it on themselves.  

The unbelievable thing is that this guy was a white American.

[Donny]

I don't belong to any activist group now do I wish to march in protest or fight anyone.
Granted I was in the USMC, but I wanted to serve my country when I was young.

I'm happy with my life and place within the " current system".
I don't feel repressed or that I'm being forced out by another ethnic group.
I don't want any drastic changes or the turmoil that comes with revolt and uprising.

The EDL is similar to the black protestors in Ferguson , Missouri ( USA).
BOTH groups feel a sense of social injustice based more on their own personal lives/situations.
Rarely is one willing to look in the mirror for the root cause of their own problems.

the British Government has failed. true individuals must stand up for their own lifes but not all of them have a good start in life. the EDL will get support from social weak areas but not all are Nazis like some are saying here. i want to say first and formost i am not a Racist or a member of any such party. Posting a video of a young drunken boy does not show the real situation. cutting heads off does.

[Skorp1o]

what % are Nazis? and Patriots? do you see a difference between them?

I don't know the % of Nazi's in EDL, do you know?

I do differentiate between patriotism and neo-Nazism

[Donny]

I don't know the % of Nazi's in EDL, do you know?

I do differentiate between patriotism and neo-Nazism

and i do too. i can´t accurately say because i´m not in their party but i would estimate maybe 20-30% are old school National Front. The most are young and older people who do not really follow politics.

[Omega]

A few days later in that same area I even kicked someone out of the gym I went to because he said the Yanks deserved it and had brought it on themselves.  
The unbelievable thing is that this guy was a white American.

They should look toward their own country before hanging the bogeyman banner on a piece of fiction called Bin Laden

[_aj_]

But evil doesn't beat evil.  Europe has probably fucked itself and it is too late, the enemy is within.  Now the only solution is education and integration because anything else would lead to more and more terror.  Or the nano-virus.

Evil can beat evil, but that is a simplistic view. Force beats evil, period. An unarmed man dies quite easily by the sword.

I appreciate that you don't get that as your stance on Israel gives everything away.

Please enlighten me on how my "stance on Israel gives everything away"

In life I believe that you have to compromise whether you like it or not if you want to build something that is bigger than just your own tiny island.  I see that in business all the time and I believe the lessons hold true in politics.

Sure, "compromise" with ISIS and the Muslims you let into your country. Good luck with that.

[Skorp1o]

and i do too. i can´t accurately say because i´m not in their party but i would estimate maybe 20-30% are old school National Front. The most are young and older people who do not really follow politics.

That's a large enough figure to disassociate from them.

I don't mind them marching in towns where there's lots of extremism like Luton, rattles cages an all that TBH.

We just need leaders committed to tackling this problem and dealing with it firmly. Do you think UKIP's Nigel is a way to go?

[_aj_]

We just need leaders committed to tackling this problem and dealing with it firmly. Do you think UKIP's Nigel is a way to go?

I rather like Nigel's speeches in the EU "parliament".

I may be oversimplifying noc and HonestBob's opinion, but how does their "compromise" and moral equivalence differ from the officials in Rotherham looking away?

[Donny]

That's a large enough figure to disassociate from them.

I don't mind them marching in towns where there's lots of extremism like Luton, rattles cages an all that TBH.

We just need leaders committed to tackling this problem and dealing with it firmly. Do you think UKIP's Nigel is a way to go?

figures are just my estimate. If an anti muslim march was planned in Celle here i would be there. does that make me a Nazi?  I think Scotland should be independent so what the quotes are from UKIP are not important.

[_bruce_]

You are clearly not a stupid man but I feel that there's a certain subtlety missing from your brain.

A non Jewish gun nut who blindly supports Israel and misses out on the fact that the last time Europe allowed right wing ideology to sweep its tide we had a World War.

There are clearly massive problems in Europe with disenfranchised, insecure, small penised young men wanting to commit terrorist attacks against the countries in which they grew up.  But if you think, as you seem to suggest, that sweeping all the immigrants, the coloureds, the homosexuals, and the non-Christians out with the scum is the way to do it then I think you're mental.

No one allowed it.
Also politically you are caught between a cock and a hard place. The optimum solution would require huge unidirected participation from the public - which becomes less likely the more polarized the population becomes... social standing, class, ethnic background, culture, race.
There is no real right wing party in all of Europe because it would mean real change, all you've got is other socialists who are more aware of a nations origins and who are playing captain obvious.

[HonestBob]

Evil can beat evil, but that is a simplistic view. Force beats evil, period. An unarmed man dies quite easily by the sword.

Please enlighten me on how my "stance on Israel gives everything away"

Sure, "compromise" with ISIS and the Muslims you let into your country. Good luck with that.

You think smashing people to shit will win the war.

The only way Israeli actions, supported financially by the USA, will "win" is if they nuke the entire Muslim world and kill all Muslims in all Western countries.

I can see your thinking.  You are the classic American who believes that two atomic bombs were better than one.  But you don't understand the hate this breeds and that ultimately we all lose.

There is a reason why smart Americans put Canadian flags on their luggage when they travel abroad.

[SuperTed]

Rather then relying on EDL yobs, the best way to curb Islamic fundamentalism in the UK is:

1) Put a curb on illegal immigration. Little can be done about the ones already in the UK but put a large curb on any future arrivals. Stop them before they enter the country. The UK does require a controlled amount skilled migrants coming legally but illegal immigrant is a drain to the economy and will cause future unrest. Islamic migrants should also be treated with more caution then say, Chinese migrants for obvious reasons.

2) Stop interfering in Muslim affairs. Quit blasting their countries in unnecessary wars or trying to "police" the world. It's not required and those countries don't want it. Pretending you have good intentions doesn't work either. They aren't that stupid.

[Donny]

You think smashing people to shit will win the war.

The only way Israeli actions, supported financially by the USA, will "win" is if they nuke the entire Muslim world and kill all Muslims in all Western countries.

I can see your thinking.  You are the classic American who believes that two atomic bombs were better than one.  But you don't understand the hate this breeds and that ultimately we all lose.

There is a reason why smart Americans put Canadian flags on their luggage when they travel abroad.

aj is a Top Guy. Go fishing with him any time

[Skorp1o]

figures are just my estimate. If an anti muslim march was planned in Celle here i would be there. does that make me a Nazi?  I think Scotland should be independent so what the quotes are from UKIP are not important.

If you're ok being shoulder to shoulder with guys doing the Nazi salute that's fine by me.

I don't know who's Nazi and who's not, but someone with a swastika tattoo doing a Nazi salute usually gives me that impression....may be he's just a middle class well educated patriot, I don't know.

[HonestBob]

Rather then relying on EDL yobs, the best way to curb Islamic fundamentalism in the UK is:

1) Put a curb on illegal immigration. Little can be done about the ones already in the UK but put a large curb on any future arrivals. Stop them before they enter the country. The UK does require a controlled amount skilled migrants coming legally but illegal immigrant is a drain to the economy and will cause future unrest. Islamic migrants should also be treated with more caution then say, Chinese migrants for obvious reasons.

2) Stop interfering in Muslim affairs. Quit blasting their countries in unnecessary wars or trying to "police" the world. It's not required and those countries don't want it. Pretending you have good intentions doesn't work either. They aren't that stupid.

It is too late for all that though. 

[_aj_]

You think smashing people to shit will win the war.

The only way Israeli actions, supported financially by the USA, will "win" is if they nuke the entire Muslim world and kill all Muslims in all Western countries.

I can see your thinking.  You are the classic American who believes that two atomic bombs were better than one.  But you don't understand the hate this breeds and that ultimately we all lose.

There is a reason why smart Americans put Canadian flags on their luggage when they travel abroad.

Are you familiar with Clausewitz' "Total War Theory?" Because you are engaged in a nihilist total war whether you wish to admit it or not. And your blindness to that fact is fatal.

You are dealing with a ideology that doesn't hate us for being too forceful. It hates us for being weak and soft and overly indulgent. Something that you are excelling at right now. As Caligula said, "oderint dum metuant" ("let them hate, so long as they fear")

In 20 years, we may actually have to "nuke the entire muslim world" simply because we failed to look evil in the eye this time.

[Donny]

If you're ok being shoulder to shoulder with guys doing the Nazi salute that's fine by me.

I don't know who's Nazi and who's not, but someone with a swastika tattoo doing a Nazi salute usually gives me that impression....may be he's just a middle class well educated patriot, I don't know.

slight exaggeration there. I am not shoulder to shoulder with any Nazis. You can Phone Stadt Celle here and ask about me. I was in Celle Kreistag.

[Donny]

ask them what party i was in.

[Skorp1o]

slight exaggeration there. I am not shoulder to shoulder with any Nazis. You can Phone Stadt Celle here and ask about me. I was in Celle Kreistag.

Every other shoulder?