Adrian Peterson indicted for child abuse

[Wolfox]

Jesus fucking Christ FOUR years old? He should do jail time. What a fucking idiot.  

[Radical Plato]

I have spoken out against corporal punishment ever since I was an adult.  It is a sick twisted child rearing practice that should be condemned.  Sadly, the majority of adults WANT the right to hit children, even the 'A smack on the bum crowd' are promoting highly dysfunctional behaviour that is a big part of why our societies are so dysfunctional to begin with.  There is more to physical abuse than just the physical pain, probably the worst repercussion is that such children grow up to think it is OK to hit children.  The  fallout out from corporal punishment is far larger than most people realise, it is probably the Number 1 cause for our modern day dysfunctional society.  Children are the most vulnerable and powerless people in our society, they have almost NO political, societal or financial power to change any abuse they suffer at the hands of adults.

[Radical Plato]

definitely went too far.   IMO, there are times when a swat on the rear end is needed... punch baby sister in the nose, there's no about of "time out" that works.   But a switch to a 4 year old?  that's extreme right there.

Yeah hitting a child to teach them that hitting others is wrong is the best method I reckon. 

[Wolfox]

Yeah hitting a child to teach them that hitting others is wrong is the best method I reckon. 

What many child abusers don't seem to understand 

[Voice of Doom]

Weird world we live in where you can't lay a hand on an adult in any aggressive manner but you can to a defenseless child "with reason". How man slashes with a whip on a baby would be considered ok in the eyes of the court system?

Not the same thing.  I agree that the whooping was too severe to a child but its a slipperly slope when .gov can step in between parents and their children.  The "state" doesn't need any more power in this country.

[ChopperRider]

Yeah hitting a child to teach them that hitting others is wrong is the best method I reckon. 

Well putting them in "timeout" sure as fuck isn't working either.....

[Radical Plato]

Well putting them in "timeout" sure as fuck isn't working either.....

What do you mean by working?  Do you think that there is some way to stop children being children? A childs very nature is to act out and push boundaries, any redress to this only hardens them and exacerbates poor behaviour.  Children eventually grow into adults, and the ones that were on the receiving end of punitive parents who regularly hit, humiliated and belittled them suffer far more mental and emotional problems later on.  Imagine you or I were granted the power to discipline adults, to hit and punish them any time they did something you thought was undisciplined, can you imagine this being good for a functional society.  The only reason adults hit children is because their is a massive power discrepancy and they can get away with it, it is the ultimate act of cowardice.

[Mr. MB]

What can I say. I have 3 sets of grandchildren. Two sets were raised by "time out" parents. They are spoiled and aimless brats. One set got a light open hand whack on the butt and toys and privilege sidelined for misbehaving. Today they are well adjusted happy adults....one a school teacher for 'special' kids and one a successful young businessman/concert promoter.

The Adrian affair belongs in his home with a warning from his wife, pastor and pediatrician to go light on punishment..."never with an instrument".

[G_Thang]

I understand the child is only 4, but is this child abuse or a "good old fashioned butt whooping"?

my sisters and i use to get the switch in the South but i don't remember any track marks.

[Radical Plato]

What can I say. I have 3 sets of grandchildren. Two sets were raised by "time out" parents. They are spoiled and aimless brats. One set got a light open hand whack on the butt and toys and privilege sidelined for misbehaving. Today they are well adjusted happy adults....one a school teacher for 'special' kids and one a successful young businessman/concert promoter.

The Adrian affair belongs in his home with a warning from his wife, pastor and pediatrician to go light on punishment..."never with an instrument".

I got a belting for being a bad boy and I turned out just fine blah,blah, blah.  I can't stand the morons who bleat this nonsense.  For those that turn out 'so called' well adjusted many more end up committing crime, in jail, institutions or suicide or just live miserable lives.  And the people you call well adjusted grew up thinking that it is OK to hit children, this is far from what I would call well adjusted, it may be a popular position, but dysfunctional nonetheless. And this is a big case on point, the so called well adjusted person is just someone who manages to keep his hidden dysfunction under control, many people hold normal jobs, but then act out in an antisocial manner, have relationship difficulties, neuroses, addictions etc etc.. I don't know if you have noticed, but society by and large is a collaborative dysfunctional mess, those that adjust best to this state of affairs must also by definition be equally dysfunctional.

[polychronopolous]

I don't know if you have noticed, but society by and large is a collaborative dysfunctional mess, those that adjust best to this state of affairs must also by definition be equally dysfunctional.

Exactly.

Not enough parents whipping their kids asses like they used to back in the day.

Parents have gotten soft.

[ChopperRider]

What do you mean by working?  Do you think that there is some way to stop children being children? A child's very nature is to act out and push boundaries, any redress to this only hardens them and exacerbates poor behaviour.  Children eventually grow into adults, and the ones that were on the receiving end of punitive parents who regularly hit, humiliated and belittled them suffer far more mental and emotional problems later on.  Imagine you or I were granted the power to discipline adults, to hit and punish them any time they did something you thought was undisciplined, can you imagine this being good for a functional society.  The only reason adults hit children is because their is a massive power discrepancy and they can get away with it, it is the ultimate act of cowardice.

I'm not advocating abusing a child like Peterson has done, I'm talking about implementing stern discipline with accountability and ramifications for bad behavior. I'm talking about being a goddamn parent instead of trying to be your kids BFF. Time out is nothing more than kicking the can down the road because you don't want to face the problem or an uncomfortable situation. It's bullshit and every parent worth a shit knows it. The entire concept carries over into the child's adult life and you have a generation of fuckheads that solve problems behind the anonymity of a computer screen....look no further than this place.

The parent's job is to supply a good role model for the child to learn from. In that framework there has to be rules and punitive punishment when rules aren't followed. Just like in the big boy world.

[Var City]

I'm not advocating abusing a child like Peterson has done, I'm talking about implementing stern discipline with accountability and ramifications for bad behavior. I'm talking about being a goddamn parent instead of trying to be your kids BFF. Time out is nothing more than kicking the can down the road because you don't want to face the problem or an uncomfortable situation. It's bullshit and every parent worth a shit knows it. The entire concept carries over into the child's adult life and you have a generation of fuckheads that solve problems behind the anonymity of a computer screen....look no further than this place.

The parent's job is to supply a good role model for the child to learn from. In that framework there has to be rules and punitive punishment when rules aren't followed. Just like in the big boy world.

This wasn't child abuse tho

It was a n old fashioned "snatch"
Whipping

I mean he took the leaves off first !

[The Showstoppa]

Wish AP would come here to Raleigh and go to work on some of these creatures.

[SF1900]

I'm not advocating abusing a child like Peterson has done, I'm talking about implementing stern discipline with accountability and ramifications for bad behavior. I'm talking about being a goddamn parent instead of trying to be your kids BFF. Time out is nothing more than kicking the can down the road because you don't want to face the problem or an uncomfortable situation. It's bullshit and every parent worth a shit knows it. The entire concept carries over into the child's adult life and you have a generation of fuckheads that solve problems behind the anonymity of a computer screen....look no further than this place.

The parent's job is to supply a good role model for the child to learn from. In that framework there has to be rules and punitive punishment when rules aren't followed. Just like in the big boy world.

I can tell you this, spanking and physical punishment may help in the very short-term, but really does not do anything in the long-term. There is no evidence to suggest that spanking leads to better outcomes later in adult life.

I agree 100% what you said about parents being role models. It has to start there. No amount of time out or spanking will work if the parents are not good role models. This is essential.

[bradistani]

when a 'parent' loses control.

hard to imagine what a four-year-old child could have possibly done wrong to receive such a thrashing

[ChopperRider]

I can tell you this, spanking and physical punishment may help in the very short-term, but really does not do anything in the long-term. There is no evidence to suggest that spanking leads to better outcomes later in adult life.

I agree 100% what you said about parents being role models. It has to start there. No amount of time out or spanking will work if the parents are not good role models. This is essential.

No evidence?

The fuck ups of Generation Nothingness are evidence enough.

[SF1900]

No evidence?

The fuck ups of Generation Nothingness are evidence enough.

First, that's anecdotal evidence. There are many reasons for Generation Nothingness.

Second, the issue is that if spanking and physical punishment worked, then people in ghetto communities would not be in the position their in. Many families of low-income status, especially those in urban communities, utilize physical and corporal punishment to discipline their children. If this method of parenting is so effective, why do so many children in adult life turn to gangs and criminal violence? I bet practically every adult who is in a gang can recall instances of physical punishment. If that form of punishment is so effective, why do they become criminals? If spanking and physical punishment is so effective in the long-run, why did it not curb them away from a life of gang violence and crime?

[tu_holmes]

That is not abuse... The kid apparently was fighting with his other siblings after repeatedly being warned not to... Yet he continued to do so.

I bet that kid doesn't do it again.

[SF1900]

That is not abuse... The kid apparently was fighting with his other siblings after repeatedly being warned not to... Yet he continued to do so.

I bet that kid doesn't do it again.

I bet he does. Are you telling me that this beating will completely eliminate sibling rivalry, even in years to come? lol. The kid probably won't do it for a few weeks. A month or two, he will be back to fighting with his siblings, like all kids do. Siblings fight, especially if you're 4 years old. If you can't handle sibling rivalry as a parent, don't have more than 1 kid. Its inevitable.

[Nails]

i had/have no problems getting my beatings as a kid , i earned every single one of them, and after i got my beating i knew never to do shit like that again even as a small child

[tu_holmes]

I bet he does. Are you telling me that this beating will completely eliminate sibling rivalry, even in years to come? lol. The kid probably won't do it for a few weeks. A month or two, he will be back to fighting with his siblings, like all kids do. Siblings fight, especially if you're 4 years old. If you can't handle sibling rivalry as a parent, don't have more than 1 kid. Its inevitable.

I am just saying that when my kid was about 4, he got really lippy... I swatted at him and he said "That didn't hurt.", so I whacked his ass as hard as I could with my open hand.

To this day, I've never had to lay another hand on him since... He will tell you, because I've asked him, that he doesn't remember the pain, but he remembers that he doesn't want it again.

You take that however you want, but I haven't had to do it again.

Sibling rivalry is one thing, but actually fighting with your siblings and perhaps beating on them, that's entirely different... You don't know what was going on and neither do I.

What I will say is that if a kid needs to get his ass beat, he needs to get his ass beat.

Some kids you don't need to, some kids you do. You and I don't know that kid.

[SF1900]

i had/have no problems getting my beatings as a kid , i earned every single one of them, and after i got my beating i knew never to do shit like that again even as a small child

Yes, and there are many children who get beatings as kids and turn out to be criminals and thugs? I don't get your point.

Also, how do you take into account those children who DON'T get beatings but turn out just fine? You would have turned out just fine without those beatings.

There are A LOT of other factors involved that contributed to who you became that have nothing to do with your beatings.

[SF1900]

I am just saying that when my kid was about 4, he got really lippy... I swatted at him and he said "That didn't hurt.", so I whacked his ass as hard as I could with my open hand.

To this day, I've never had to lay another hand on him since... He will tell you, because I've asked him, that he doesn't remember the pain, but he remembers that he doesn't want it again.

You take that however you want, but I haven't had to do it again.

Sibling rivalry is one thing, but actually fighting with your siblings and perhaps beating on them, that's entirely different... You don't know what was going on and neither do I.

What I will say is that if a kid needs to get his ass beat, he needs to get his ass beat.

Some kids you don't need to, some kids you do. You and I don't know that kid.

Provide me evidence that spankings or physical corporal punishment lead to a cessation of disruptive behavior over the long-term.

Your anecdotal evidence does not count.

So, basically what youre saying is you dont have good enough parenting skills to make your child stop misbehaving? That you have to resort to physical violence and fear tactics to get him to stop? Wow.

[tu_holmes]

Provide me evidence that spankings or physical corporal punishment lead to a cessation of disruptive behavior over the long-term.

Your anecdotal evidence does not count.

Can you provide evidence it doesn't?

You can site some study, but then I can site a study that says it does.

There is no way anyone can tell for certain one way or the other, and to be honest, my anecdotal evidence is all I need because it's about MY kids.

See, that's the thing, I don't care about how you raise your kids, because if they end up in prison, that's on you. If my kid ends up in prison, then that's on me... I only want to keep MY son out of prison, I don't care a bit about yours.

So when your son is whatever he is, and my son is whatever he is, I only care about one of them.

Mine.

Adrian Peterson is raising his son how he sees fit... it's none of my business.

PS... since it's about football and whatever. I don't give a shit about the Ray Rice nonsense either... if a woman wants to be married to a guy that hit her, that's their business... Not mine.

Bunch of busy bodies.