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Re: Adrian Peterson indicted for child abuse
« Reply #50 on: September 13, 2014, 01:58:18 PM »
Can you provide evidence it doesn't?

You can site some study, but then I can site a study that says it does.

There is no way anyone can tell for certain one way or the other, and to be honest, my anecdotal evidence is all I need because it's about MY kids.

See, that's the thing, I don't care about how you raise your kids, because if they end up in prison, that's on you. If my kid ends up in prison, then that's on me... I only want to keep MY son out of prison, I don't care a bit about yours.

So when your son is whatever he is, and my son is whatever he is, I only care about one of them.

Mine.

Adrian Peterson is raising his son how he sees fit... it's none of my business.

PS... since it's about football and whatever. I don't give a shit about the Ray Rice nonsense either... if a woman wants to be married to a guy that hit her, that's their business... Not mine.

Bunch of busy bodies.

No, you will hardly find any studies that show that physical beatings and spankings lead to positive outcomes. In fact, the evidence is so overwhelming. For every article you can find, I can find a thousand of its opposite. There are exceptions to every rule, but the majority of evidence is against beatings/spankings.

Also, what it tells me is you're not a good enough parent to teach your children how to behave properly without hurting them or striking fear in their eyes. That you cannot utilize good parenting skills to get your kids to listen. Id feel ashamed if I had to use scare tactics to get any child to listen.

Well, its good to know you'd turn a blind eye to a child getting beaten and abused because its not your kid.  :-\ :-\ Its good to know if you knew a 3 year old was being physically or sexually abused you would just look away because, "I don't care about how you raise your kids." Stay classy.
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Re: Adrian Peterson indicted for child abuse
« Reply #51 on: September 13, 2014, 02:02:33 PM »
Yes, and there are many children who get beatings as kids and turn out to be criminals and thugs? I don't get your point.

Also, how do you take into account those children who DON'T get beatings but turn out just fine? You would have turned out just fine without those beatings.

There are A LOT of other factors involved that contributed to who you became that have nothing to do with your beatings.




i don't have any kids, i have no first hand knowledge or experience on raising a child to be a man or woman,  so really i'm just talking out of my ass here on this thread  ;D


 
 
 

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Re: Adrian Peterson indicted for child abuse
« Reply #52 on: September 13, 2014, 02:03:29 PM »
No, you will hardly find any studies that show that physical beatings and spankings lead to positive outcomes. In fact, the evidence is so overwhelming. For every article you can find, I can find a thousand of its opposite. There are exceptions to every rule, but the majority of evidence is against beatings/spankings.

Also, what it tells me is you're not a good enough parent to teach your children how to behave properly without hurting them or striking fear in their eyes. That you cannot utilize good parenting skills to get your kids to listen. Id feel ashamed if I had to use scare tactics to get any child to listen.

Well, its good to know you'd turn a blind eye to a child getting beaten and abused because its not your kid.  :-\ :-\ Its good to know if you knew a 3 year old was being physically or sexually abused you would just look away because, "I don't care about how you raise your kids." Stay classy.

Abuse is one thing, a spanking if deserved is entirely different.

You are taking one thing, and turning it into the end of the world.

One grand jury refused to indict him and the next decided to do so, so apparently it's not just cut and dried like you want to make it out to be.

Part of being a parent IS to make sure your children respect and at times fear you... That's a part of it.

Some of it is to be their friend and some of it is a caregiver... It's not just black and white, but you apparently think it is.

In the real world, there's a lot of gray and just because you think I'm one way, doesn't mean it's so.

You don't know me, just like I don't know you.

What I DO know is that I have two really great kids and they stay out of trouble and have no problem coming to me and talking to me about whatever is on their minds.

If that makes me a bad parent, then I am happy to be the evil terrible parent that you think I am.

Your opinion of me does not matter one bit.


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Re: Adrian Peterson indicted for child abuse
« Reply #53 on: September 13, 2014, 02:04:08 PM »
definitely went too far.   IMO, there are times when a swat on the rear end is needed... punch baby sister in the nose, there's no about of "time out" that works.   But a switch to a 4 year old?  that's extreme right there.
I think he said he got switched whooped as a boy , thus this is learned behavior and quite wrong.

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Re: Adrian Peterson indicted for child abuse
« Reply #54 on: September 13, 2014, 02:05:48 PM »
The child is 4 years old.  I don't care who this guy is, this is pure abuse.  No 4 year old child can understand why his dad is hitting him so hard he leaves marks. Especially 'by accident' in the testicles.  I wonder who this child grows up to understand? That hitting people, hurting them, and leaving marks is ok.  No wonder some people grow up like that.

Hmm... any other case like this recently in which a grown man whacked a woman? Makes me wonder if he got hit hard when he was a kid.

It is not ok. It is pathetic for someone to do that do a 4 year old.

240 is right. A light whack to the rear. 

If this guy did that to anyone else, he would be arrested, vilified and done.  But since it was his son, it was ok.  Bullshit.


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Re: Adrian Peterson indicted for child abuse
« Reply #55 on: September 13, 2014, 02:12:54 PM »
Abuse is one thing, a spanking if deserved is entirely different.

You are taking one thing, and turning it into the end of the world.

One grand jury refused to indict him and the next decided to do so, so apparently it's not just cut and dried like you want to make it out to be.

Part of being a parent IS to make sure your children respect and at times fear you... That's a part of it.

Some of it is to be their friend and some of it is a caregiver... It's not just black and white, but you apparently think it is.

In the real world, there's a lot of gray and just because you think I'm one way, doesn't mean it's so.

You don't know me, just like I don't know you.

What I DO know is that I have two really great kids and they stay out of trouble and have no problem coming to me and talking to me about whatever is on their minds.

If that makes me a bad parent, then I am happy to be the evil terrible parent that you think I am.

Your opinion of me does not matter one bit.



I know my opinion of you does not matter, just like your opinion of me does not matter.

That's the thing, you just proved my point. If you claim to be a good father, then there are A LOT of reasons why your kids turned out to be good kids that probably have absolutely nothing to do with a few spankings. You're a good father. Thus, its more likely that your kids turned out to be good kids because they had the follow: access to good education, access to good social support systems, safe neighborhood, loving parents, safe and loving peers/friends, good teachers, strong community, and a temperament (genetics) that lended itself to self-regulation.

As opposed to get a few spankings.

The research is overwhelming in that all of the stuff I mentioned in bolded black is why people turn out like they do, not because of a few spankings. If you provided your kids with nothing in the first paragraph (bolded in black) but only spanked them, I can almost guarantee you they would not have turned out to be good kids. If spanking did help curb their bad behavior, it curbed it in an extremely minimal way. All the other stuff are overwhelmingly more important. I do not know why Americans hold onto this antiquated belief about spanking. It's just so false. As I said, the research is overwhelming, especially when you review the research about how many factors (education, community, parents, etc) affect brain development.

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Re: Adrian Peterson indicted for child abuse
« Reply #56 on: September 13, 2014, 02:16:54 PM »
That's the thing, you just proved my point. If you claim to be a good father, then there are A LOT of reasons why your kids turned out to be good kids that probably have absolutely nothing to do with a few spankings. You're a good father. Thus, its more likely that your kids turned out to be good kids because they had the follow: access to good education, access to good social support systems, safe neighborhood, loving parents, safe and loving peers/friends, good teachers, strong community, and a temperament (genetics) that lended itself to self-regulation.

As opposed to get a few spankings.

The research is overwhelming in that all of the stuff I mentioned in bolded black is why people turn out like they do, not because of a few spankings. If you provided your kids with nothing in the first paragraph (bolded in black) but only spanked them, I can almost guarantee you they would not have turned out to be good kids. If spanking did help curb their bad behavior, it curbed it in an extremely minimal way. All the other stuff are overwhelmingly more important.



I "proved" absolutely nothing.

I stated that my kids are good kids and they do certain things. It "proves" zero.

No study is proof, it is all theory... There is nothing scientific about it.

My point is that you don't know THAT kid... that's a fact.

Just like you don't know MY kids... another fact.

Maybe Peterson went too far... maybe he tried the nurturing / warning / hugs many times and his kid refused to listen... There are many kids that you truly can only get through to by fear.

Hell, my brother was one of them... He will tell you point blank that if my mom hadn't beat his ass as much as she did, he would have ended up in prison without a doubt. She will also tell you that he deserved a lot more beatings than he got, but she didn't do it because his ass couldn't hold them all.

Every kid isn't the same and since neither you, nor I, know this particular kid, I refuse to make a judgement call about its "abuse".

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Re: Adrian Peterson indicted for child abuse
« Reply #57 on: September 13, 2014, 02:24:27 PM »
I "proved" absolutely nothing.

I stated that my kids are good kids and they do certain things. It "proves" zero.

No study is proof, it is all theory... There is nothing scientific about it.

My point is that you don't know THAT kid... that's a fact.

Just like you don't know MY kids... another fact.

Maybe Peterson went too far... maybe he tried the nurturing / warning / hugs many times and his kid refused to listen... There are many kids that you truly can only get through to by fear.

Hell, my brother was one of them... He will tell you point blank that if my mom hadn't beat his ass as much as she did, he would have ended up in prison without a doubt. She will also tell you that he deserved a lot more beatings than he got, but she didn't do it because his ass couldn't hold them all.

Every kid isn't the same and since neither you, nor I, know this particular kid, I refuse to make a judgement call about its "abuse".

Incorrect. There is overwhelming evidence that certain environment affects children's development, particularly excessive trauma. The evidence cannot even be disputed. Then again we are really not talking about trauma. However, the environment affects children. This is a fact.
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Re: Adrian Peterson indicted for child abuse
« Reply #58 on: September 13, 2014, 02:44:25 PM »
Incorrect. There is overwhelming evidence that certain environment affects children's development, particularly excessive trauma. The evidence cannot even be disputed. Then again we are really not talking about trauma. However, the environment affects children. This is a fact.

What is incorrect?

There is many disputes on evidence, and you posted nothing that proves me to be incorrect in anything I've stated what so ever.

What is incorrect?

That you don't know that or mine?

Or my brother or around 7 billion people?

Please explain what is incorrect in what I've posed.


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Re: Adrian Peterson indicted for child abuse
« Reply #59 on: September 13, 2014, 02:51:49 PM »
What is incorrect?

There is many disputes on evidence, and you posted nothing that proves me to be incorrect in anything I've stated what so ever.

What is incorrect?

That you don't know that or mine?

Or my brother or around 7 billion people?

Please explain what is incorrect in what I've posed.



It's incorrect that there is no study sufficient enough to indicate that the environment affects children's development. It's overwhelming. In the field of psychology, neuroscience, biology, chemistry, anthropology, biopsych, sociology there is no dispute over the fact that the environment affects peoples (children's) development. There may be disputes about HOW the environment affects people, but its a fact that it does. The process by which this happens definitely differs, but there is a relationship between environment and children's development. You will not see any dispute over that.

What type of evidence do you want? Do you want me to email you peer-reviewed journals? I can't believe I am actually arguing with someone over this. I thought it was common sense to most people that the environment affects people.  :-\ :-\ :-\
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Re: Adrian Peterson indicted for child abuse
« Reply #60 on: September 13, 2014, 03:31:48 PM »
oh i didn't see AP's son was FOUR

damn. That's WAY overboard to hit a four year old like that. That's actually pretty damned cruel. The damned kid just graduated pre school (or is entering it this year).

he's probably about 35-40 pounds. This is way overboard and inexcusable. Not permanent ban inexcusable but AP has gotta go to some rehabilitation type of program and catch at the least a misdemeanor and a bit of jail time then get suspended for the rest of the season

fucked up. and i just read he did this because his son was playing in the yard with his friends and AP had told him to sit in a chair, and went inside, then came back out and he was playing. he also  hit the kid in front of the other kids.

fucked up.

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Re: Adrian Peterson indicted for child abuse
« Reply #61 on: September 13, 2014, 03:41:40 PM »
Abuse is one thing, a spanking if deserved is entirely different.

You are taking one thing, and turning it into the end of the world.

One grand jury refused to indict him and the next decided to do so, so apparently it's not just cut and dried like you want to make it out to be.

Part of being a parent IS to make sure your children respect and at times fear you... That's a part of it.

Some of it is to be their friend and some of it is a caregiver... It's not just black and white, but you apparently think it is.

In the real world, there's a lot of gray and just because you think I'm one way, doesn't mean it's so.

You don't know me, just like I don't know you.

What I DO know is that I have two really great kids and they stay out of trouble and have no problem coming to me and talking to me about whatever is on their minds.

If that makes me a bad parent, then I am happy to be the evil terrible parent that you think I am.

Your opinion of me does not matter one bit.


I'm with you man. I was spanked as a child, and I deserved it, as I was one of those children that pushed the boundaries as far as I could to see where the line was... and the spanking was when I decided "Ok, theres the line. Better not go there again". I distinctly remember thinking that several times.

Same with my son, he's the kind of kid that pushes as far as he can to see where the line is.... and he doesn't care about time out, he doesn't care about a stern talking to, he doesn't respond to positive reinforcement when he gets in the "line pushing" mood.... but he sure as hell figured the line out when he finally pushed far enough that he got a swat.

I measure it so it's just hard enough that he feels it, but the diaper absorbs 99% of it. I've only had to do it maybe 3-4 times... 2 of which I screwed up and error'd on the way to light side and he didn't even feel it... he just stared at me like "wtf dad".

Lol.

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Re: Adrian Peterson indicted for child abuse
« Reply #62 on: September 13, 2014, 03:54:06 PM »
nobody wants to say their mom was abusive because they love them.  same mechanism operates in abusive partnerships where for example: the beaten wife stays with her man....the emotions drive the mind to rationalize the harm
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Re: Adrian Peterson indicted for child abuse
« Reply #63 on: September 13, 2014, 03:54:57 PM »
Before laying a hand on a child, try putting them in a sound proof padded room for their "time out"...Anyone can build one for about a $1000...Hell pump some calming music in there and get creative...If it doesn't calm your child down, it may just turn him into a sociopath who one day may get a high paying job in politics...lol. Some kids are stimulated from being hit or spanked and actually do shit to get that sort of stimulation. A sound proof padded room will calm anyone down. For fucks sakes people get creative when a child is "out of line"...If you can't outsmart of 5 year old to the point your abusing your child, maybe you should give the kid up for adoption...But then again, abusers don't really know they are abusers.

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Re: Adrian Peterson indicted for child abuse
« Reply #64 on: September 13, 2014, 04:32:57 PM »
I have spoken out against corporal punishment ever since I was an adult.  It is a sick twisted child rearing practice that should be condemned.  Sadly, the majority of adults WANT the right to hit children, even the 'A smack on the bum crowd' are promoting highly dysfunctional behaviour that is a big part of why our societies are so dysfunctional to begin with.  There is more to physical abuse than just the physical pain, probably the worst repercussion is that such children grow up to think it is OK to hit children.  The  fallout out from corporal punishment is far larger than most people realise, it is probably the Number 1 cause for our modern day dysfunctional society.  Children are the most vulnerable and powerless people in our society, they have almost NO political, societal or financial power to change any abuse they suffer at the hands of adults.

Do you have any evidence to back this up?

Seems to me that there is far less corporal punishments at home and in schools than there was say 60-70 years ago.

Do kids today have more respect than those raised in 60-70  years ago? Are they better behaved at school? Is there less crime amongst our youth?

Obviously, the answer to all of the above is a resounding NO.

Liberals have made corporal punishment illegal at school, yet kids are less respectful to adults generally, youth crime rates are through the roof and the behavior of children at school is terrible. A lot of this, in my opinion, is that there is no longer any real recourse when they misbehave.

It's the same school of thought that dictates that things like the death penalty needs to he humane, neat and tidy. So if some poor child killer takes a while to die or suffers during an execution, there is an outcry. Yet there is no logical reason that physical pain needs to be kept out of punishment. Why shouldn't execution hurt? Is there a reason?

For punishment to have any impact, it needs to be something that induces psychological of physical discomfort. A timeout induces psychological discomfort. Or to put it another way, it is a really, really mild form of psychological torture. Or to put it another way, you are fucking with your kids headspace when you do it. I just don't buy that psychological methods are any different from physical methods. They need to be carefully administered, short, sharp shocks that get your kid to understand that certain behaviours are not to be tolerated.

Physical punishment and psychological punishment are the same thing. They need to be administered carefully. You don't lock your kids in solitary for 6 months and you don't beat them to a pulp.

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Re: Adrian Peterson indicted for child abuse
« Reply #65 on: September 13, 2014, 04:38:41 PM »
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Re: Adrian Peterson indicted for child abuse
« Reply #66 on: September 13, 2014, 04:42:33 PM »
Do you have any evidence to back this up?

Seems to me that there is far less corporal punishments at home and in schools than there was say 60-70 years ago.

Do kids today have more respect than those raised in 60-70  years ago? Are they better behaved at school? Is there less crime amongst our youth?

Obviously, the answer to all of the above is a resounding NO.

Liberals have made corporal punishment illegal at school, yet kids are less respectful to adults generally, youth crime rates are through the roof and the behavior of children at school is terrible. A lot of this, in my opinion, is that there is no longer any real recourse when they misbehave.

It's the same school of thought that dictates that things like the death penalty needs to he humane, neat and tidy. So if some poor child killer takes a while to die or suffers during an execution, there is an outcry. Yet there is no logical reason that physical pain needs to be kept out of punishment. Why shouldn't execution hurt? Is there a reason?

For punishment to have any impact, it needs to be something that induces psychological of physical discomfort. A timeout induces psychological discomfort. Or to put it another way, it is a really, really mild form of psychological torture. Or to put it another way, you are fucking with your kids headspace when you do it. I just don't buy that psychological methods are any different from physical methods. They need to be carefully administered, short, sharp shocks that get your kid to understand that certain behaviours are not to be tolerated.

Physical punishment and psychological punishment are the same thing. They need to be administered carefully. You don't lock your kids in solitary for 6 months and you don't beat them to a pulp.

Are you seriously "implying" that spanking kids will cure today's crime rate? lol. There are MANY reasons why today's teens are out of control. The fact of the matter is that many parents spank their children, yet their is still crime. There is still violence. I can almost guarantee that every person in the photo below was administered spankings and physical discipline. In fact, spanking is VERY common in low-income, urban communities. Yet, the crime rate is high among inner city kids. If spanking worked so well, why are these kids resorting to gangs and violence? It is quite clear that something else is going on that has absolutely nothing to do with giving your kids a few spanks.

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Re: Adrian Peterson indicted for child abuse
« Reply #67 on: September 13, 2014, 04:46:23 PM »
I can tell you this, spanking and physical punishment may help in the very short-term, but really does not do anything in the long-term. There is no evidence to suggest that spanking leads to better outcomes later in adult life.

I agree 100% what you said about parents being role models. It has to start there. No amount of time out or spanking will work if the parents are not good role models. This is essential.


Iv'e never laid a hand on my child in anger, in her 15 years on this planet. not a single smack.  I talk to her, and take away whatever she values at the time as punishment.

her mom was free with her hands,always spanking her..which pissed me the fuck off to the point I threatened to kill her if she hit my kid again.

fast forward to today, whatever her mom says to her, goes in one ear and out the other. when I speak, she listens

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Re: Adrian Peterson indicted for child abuse
« Reply #68 on: September 13, 2014, 04:48:39 PM »

Iv'e never laid a hand on my child in anger, in her 15 years on this planet. not a single smack.  I talk to her, and take away whatever she values at the time as punishment.

her mom was free with her hands,always spanking her..which pissed me the fuck off to the point I threatened to kill her if she hit my kid again.

fast forward to today, whatever her mom says to her, goes in one ear and out the other. when I speak, she listens

Exactly.

The problem is that America has a sick obsession with violence, even violence toward our children. How disgusting is it to actually believe that it's okay to hit your children.  :-\ :-\
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Re: Adrian Peterson indicted for child abuse
« Reply #69 on: September 13, 2014, 04:51:35 PM »
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lol....

Funnily enough I have 2 kids. Neither of them need spanking. My 12 year old did get spanked once but it was a one off and involved a search party. He's just a laid back kid who gets on well at school and home and has hobbies he likes to occupy his free time. He simply doesn't misbehave to any meaningful extent. Of course he does get out of line but a chat about it stops it happening again.

My 4 year daughter is like a wild bobcat, the total opposite of her brother. Always pushing the boundaries. We have to nurture that because it's a healthy thing but you need to keep it in line. A chat is not enough for her but she doesn't get spanked because she hates being on her own in her bedroom. In fact, it's very tough to keep her in a timeout because of the tears it generates - but as a parent, you have to carry out punishments or the threats are meaningless.

Right now, all we need to say is "you want to go to your bedroom" if she misbehaves and she stops dead. Like I say - I don't see using the fear she has of a timeout any differently than the fear she'd have of a spanking if that was what it took.  Right now I have the means to keep both kids in line without resorting to physical means but that does not mean I would not use them or that I think badly of those that use them sparingly.

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Re: Adrian Peterson indicted for child abuse
« Reply #70 on: September 13, 2014, 04:59:33 PM »
Exactly.

The problem is that America has a sick obsession with violence, even violence toward our children. How disgusting is it to actually believe that it's okay to hit your children.  :-\ :-\

dude, it was pretty fucking tense. my ex would start whacking her, and I would sit there for a few seconds, seething. because youre not supposed to undermine each other either.

then I would snap and fly off the couch like a madman, and get in her face saying you put another hand on her I'm going to put mine on you. which I didn't like creating that tension but fuck it, lesser of two evils.  one of the reasons we split up.  not to paint her as a child abuser, she never HURT the kid, she just had NO fuse, nevermind a short one and I just did not believe in it.

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Re: Adrian Peterson indicted for child abuse
« Reply #71 on: September 13, 2014, 05:03:34 PM »

Iv'e never laid a hand on my child in anger, in her 15 years on this planet. not a single smack.  I talk to her, and take away whatever she values at the time as punishment.

her mom was free with her hands,always spanking her..which pissed me the fuck off to the point I threatened to kill her if she hit my kid again.

fast forward to today, whatever her mom says to her, goes in one ear and out the other. when I speak, she listens
Could that also be because she is your daughter?
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Re: Adrian Peterson indicted for child abuse
« Reply #72 on: September 13, 2014, 05:27:07 PM »

lol....

Funnily enough I have 2 kids. Neither of them need spanking. My 12 year old did get spanked once but it was a one off and involved a search party. He's just a laid back kid who gets on well at school and home and has hobbies he likes to occupy his free time. He simply doesn't misbehave to any meaningful extent. Of course he does get out of line but a chat about it stops it happening again.

My 4 year daughter is like a wild bobcat, the total opposite of her brother. Always pushing the boundaries. We have to nurture that because it's a healthy thing but you need to keep it in line. A chat is not enough for her but she doesn't get spanked because she hates being on her own in her bedroom. In fact, it's very tough to keep her in a timeout because of the tears it generates - but as a parent, you have to carry out punishments or the threats are meaningless.

Right now, all we need to say is "you want to go to your bedroom" if she misbehaves and she stops dead. Like I say - I don't see using the fear she has of a timeout any differently than the fear she'd have of a spanking if that was what it took.  Right now I have the means to keep both kids in line without resorting to physical means but that does not mean I would not use them or that I think badly of those that use them sparingly.

as you noticed, if the kid is independent minded and high energy then that's that and nothing will change it.

There nothing inherently wrong with violence but the point is that it's difficult to justify in these circumstances. a timeout is technically psychological manipulation but is just much easier to justify because its not an attack on the person but a change to their environment.   

Ideally someone could propose a method of parenting that excludes all punishment. who said punishments are requirement?  This stuff went out of style a long time ago.
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Re: Adrian Peterson indicted for child abuse
« Reply #73 on: September 13, 2014, 05:38:56 PM »
as you noticed, if the kid is independent minded and high energy then that's that and nothing will change it.

There nothing inherently wrong with violence but the point is that it's difficult to justify in these circumstances. a timeout is technically psychological manipulation but is just much easier to justify because its not an attack on the person but a change to their environment.   

Ideally someone could propose a method of parenting that excludes all punishment. who said punishments are requirement?  This stuff went out of style a long time ago.
Punishment went out a long time ago?
Punishment is when the "reward" from authority when you do wrong. By your logic when you break a law, the police should do nothing.
If someone breaks into your house, and steals something, there should be no punishment. And following said logic, that person who committed the crime (in your world) never was punished for committing crimes, disobeying authority,  because that stuff went out a long ago.

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Re: Adrian Peterson indicted for child abuse
« Reply #74 on: September 13, 2014, 05:47:42 PM »
Punishment went out a long time ago?
Punishment is when the "reward" from authority when you do wrong. By your logic when you break a law, the police should do nothing.
If someone breaks into your house, and steals something, there should be no punishment. And following said logic, that person who committed the crime (in your world) never was punished for committing crimes, disobeying authority,  because that stuff went out a long ago.

that's why I said "ideally"

yes and newsflash the crime and punishment model is not the latest in child development circles.

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