Why Didn't Kai Greene Beat Phil Heath?

[Parker]

Phil got straight firsts , Kai didn't make a dent on him.

True, but visually, it was close. Phil may have gotten straight firsts, but when you look at them, Phil needs to come in like better version of 2011-2012. Just to show that he is dominant. Because it is not just Kai he must worry about, but Rhoden, Ramy, Wolf, and even possibly Cedric.

[TRIX]

same judges same result

derpidy derp

[MCWAY]

Desperately trying to hold onto some vestige of decency?  Nobody likes a grapefruit rapist?  Kai's a disgusting man-ho and outside of schmoes, nobody likes a man-ho?

I would go with the last one.  Kai is pretty much a grapefruit rapist but how do we know the grapefruit incident wasn't consensual?  But.  Kai is a slut.

SLUT.

Nobody likes a slut.  Not even the mother of a slut.  Kai's a SLUT.

Yet, an openly gay black man in the far-more-conservative 80s ends up Mr. Olympia. That doesn't compute.

[BB]

Why would Greene's past keep him from winning the Olympia, considering that:

a) We already had a gay Mr. Olympia over 30 years ago (Dickerson)

b) IFBB has long since waived the no-nudity clause; once it suspended Erika Mes just for posing naked. Since then, we got IFBB female pros doing straight-up porn (i.e. Denise Masino, Gayle Moher, etc.) without so much as the league batting an eye. MuscleMag used to advertise this stuff for years, long before Greene even turned pro.

Dickerson was quietly and respectfully gay, and there was no internet. He did Colt magazine shoots, but you had to really look for them. With Kai, the Grapefruit thing is right up front, and the under towel gif is just under that. You can have a Gay Mr. Olympia, you can probably do artsy pictures now, but the hardcore bizarre gay for pay won't fly for the face of bodybuilding.

You've got old men running the boards of these companies that might consider it a blow to supplement sales, etc.... The Olympia isn't about bodybuilding, it's about marketing, sales, and promotion of supplements on the back end. You can't risk the mainstream getting a full on look at all the prostitution, etc.... that is inherent to bodybuilding right up front like you do with Kai, they have to be slowly broken in like we were .

As for female bodybuilding, those girls aren't winning the big show, The Olympia. And to be honest no one gives a shit about Female bodybuilding, except for schmoes, and they are their own little sub class.

Kai will never be Olympia.

[The Scott]

Yet, an openly gay black man in the far-more-conservative 80s ends up Mr. Olympia. That doesn't compute.

Look, I think Dickerson was the worst Mr. O ever, but his homosexuality I could care less about because quite honestly I don't ever expect to meet the guy.  He dropped by the gym I used in the 80s once when I wasn't around.  Was told he was openly chasing wangs while there and the general comment was "Gross!" except among those who were homosexual.  Supposedly an otherwise nice guy but I still think he stunk as Mr. Olympia.

Bob Paris would have made an excellent Mr. Olympia with a physique, classic good looks and demeanor far superior to the Kai of today. 

Again, Kai is a slut. 

[wikkedonez]

I'm wondering how "Gifted Nutrition" could be a sponsor at the Olympia?.....isn't that a conflict of interest?

[MCWAY]

Dickerson was quietly and respectfully gay, and there was no internet. He did Colt magazine shoots, but you had to really look for them. With Kai, the Grapefruit thing is right up front, and the under towel gif is just under that. You can have a Gay Mr. Olympia, you can probably do artsy pictures now, but the hardcore bizarre gay for pay won't fly for the face of bodybuilding.

You've got old men running the boards of these companies that might consider it a blow to supplement sales, etc.... The Olympia isn't about bodybuilding, it's about marketing, sales, and promotion of supplements on the back end. You can't risk the mainstream getting a full on look at all the prostitution, etc.... that is inherent to bodybuilding right up front like you do with Kai, they have to be slowly broken in like we were .

As for female bodybuilding, those girls aren't winning the big show, The Olympia. And to be honest no one gives a shit about Female bodybuilding, except for schmoes, and they are their own little sub class.

Kai will never be Olympia.

Didn't somoene just mention that he trained in a gym where Dickerson appeared to train...and get his Brokeback on?

As for the "women", I do recall seeing Iris Kyle in some of these ads (before she got her implants, even). I don't think she went to the extremes of Masino, Moher, Quaresma, et. al. but........

Lenda Murray's been naked before, but (to my knowledge), no lesbian stuff or use of sex toys.

[BodyConnoisseur]

I'm wondering how "Gifted Nutrition" could be a sponsor at the Olympia?.....isn't that a conflict of interest?

Several other competitors sponsors also sponsored the olympia. It's not Phil's fault he works for himself

[240 is Back]

imagine if Peyton Manning's O-line were allowed to hold on every play.
Imagine if he Denver defenders were allowed to hold on every play.
Imagine if Peyton's points counted, but the other teams' points didn't count.
imagine the if Refs could just give 100% of the calls, points to one team and not explain why.

LOL Phil with straight 1's.   Amazing. 

[BB]

Didn't somoene just mention that he trained in a gym where Dickerson appeared to train...and get his Brokeback on?

That's different though, even if Dickerson was cruising for guys, he's still only in contact with a couple of dozen people each time, and the magazines aren't covering it, and it is only spreading as far as gym gossip goes. Now you click a few links and you've got Kai getting fellated in a dark bar by a few lust filled guys.

Dickerson's moments that you physically had to search gay porn stores for -

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Vs.

Kai's, which show up in 90% of threads he's mentioned in -

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[Mr. MB]

Dickerson was quietly and respectfully gay, and there was no internet. He did Colt magazine shoots, but you had to really look for them. With Kai, the Grapefruit thing is right up front, and the under towel gif is just under that. You can have a Gay Mr. Olympia, you can probably do artsy pictures now, but the hardcore bizarre gay for pay won't fly for the face of bodybuilding.

You've got old men running the boards of these companies that might consider it a blow to supplement sales, etc.... The Olympia isn't about bodybuilding, it's about marketing, sales, and promotion of supplements on the back end. You can't risk the mainstream getting a full on look at all the prostitution, etc.... that is inherent to bodybuilding right up front like you do with Kai, they have to be slowly broken in like we were .

BB you are on a roll....this is the only answer. Nuff said.

As for female bodybuilding, those girls aren't winning the big show, The Olympia. And to be honest no one gives a shit about Female bodybuilding, except for schmoes, and they are their own little sub class.

Kai will never be Olympia.

[The_Punisher]

And you can't make money off of grapefruit, watermelon, towels, philosophy of redemption, mixed bag of bodyparts...perception plays a large part in this, and that Kai didn't deliver a knockout. If he came in super sick, he would have won.
Just think, what sells more OJ or grapefruit juice?

After this Olympia, how much more can Kai prove?....he just will never win this thing.....if the IFBB refuse to see their 4 time champion was off and couldnt see that Kai was the winner, then we have a problem, but wait a minute, this had happened before......

[G_Thang]

I get that as well. Kai should get used to the Cormier factor---Cormier coming in 2nd 6x in a row at the Arnold Classic.

I think Kai really pushed Phil this year, and Phil needs to come in like a 2003 Ronnie to really do damage next year.

That's what I'm getting.  Instead of playing cat and mouse with Phil at the O, he would have pocketed 500k-750k with multiple Arnold victories and still finished second to Phil.  That money would be handy since he's over 40 and moving towards the end of his career. 

[G_Thang]

Sad. 

That's all black men in the audience. Alotta undercover fags in the black community.   

[Deacon Jeschin]

In addition to his fondness for citrus, I think the old "sock on the cock" pic had a hand in keeping Kai from winning......

[OTHstrong]

Because no flow. Put together like a bag of shit and came in smooth. Watery. Thick skin

[anabolichalo]

-legs too long for torso

-overweight, boasting about having "40lbs on heath", 40lbs of fat, water and cranial mass maybe

-went crazy on syntholing his arms, they look like balls of puss in the most muscular

-he poses like a nasty stripper which is distracting and repulsive

-retarded haircut

-acts like a ghetto man child in conference and on stage


that's just off the top of my head, i'm sure i left out some important points

[OTHstrong]

-legs too long for torso

-overweight, boasting about having "40lbs on heath", 40lbs of fat, water and cranial mass maybe

-went crazy on syntholing his arms, they look like balls of puss in the most muscular

-he poses like a nasty stripper which is distracting and repulsive

-retarded haircut

-acts like a ghetto man child in conference and on stage


that's just off the top of my head, i'm sure i left out some important points

booooooooooom

[anabolichalo]

booooooooooom

that being said i take nothing from this great athelete

 

[shiftedShapes]

I wouldn't be surprised if they took all of those things into consideration. IMO, Kai deserved 1st place. The BBing industry is a huge farce and I doubt the people behind the sport are any different than the snake oil salesmen behind the supplement industry.

This.

I was amazed that the President of the IFBB gave HIMSELF the first Joe Wierder lifetime achievement award.  What a ridiculous circle jerk.

Does anyone want to set out the business ties between Weider and Phil and contrast them to those between Weider and Kai.  I'm guessing Weider makes a lot more money by Phil winning than by Kai winning.

The contest is really an advertorial for Weider athletes and should be seen as such rather than a fair appraisal of the achievements of each athlete.

[jodsy]

because mr Olympia is not about who has the best physique

[anabolichalo]

because mr Olympia is not about who has the best physique

if it were then dexter should be top 3 and not kai

[jodsy]

if it were then dexter should be top 3 and not kai

you sir are the type of gentleman who eats the pussies of whores and are therefor irrelevent

[anabolichalo]

dexter is the man

[Danimal77]

Because he looked like complete shit at the Finals, flat like a pancake and smooth, while Phil came 200 % improved from pre-judging.#

Aside from Phil's tiny traps and pecs and horrible midsection, he does look half decent in that shot.