After Yesterday`s "No One" Machine Workout...

[Simple Simon]

c'mon man. your smarter than that.

you see absolutely no benefit as an anabolics user being able to train a muscle w 7x the frequency you do now?

I'm not going to talk anyone into using this. I don't need to. truthfully I hope people for the most part ignore it. I posted it as I made a commitment to people on this board that I would. 

like I said I'm not here to sell anything. if you want to try it great. if not that's great too.

I train now 5/6 days a week, I train most body parts twice a week, I upped the pace last night and it took me 22minutes to train back
I did three main exercises
pulldowns wide grip
machine pulldowns close grip
rear pec dec for traps and upper back/rear delts
Dont ask me how many sets and reps because I have no idea I just pushed to failure each one, lots of partials at the end of the set,
Rest periods between sets were just enough to catch my breath and let the pump go down in my forearms (20 seconds or thereabouts)
I finished off with three sets of stiff leg deadlifts with a 10 k plate to stretch my low back and hams
I was sweating like a twat and gassed to now try and train legs would for me defeat the object or engorging that area with blood and keeping it there.

I will likely do that again Thursday or Friday

[bigmc]

...and Ron made an asshole like you a moderator? What you Ron Avidan?

you would ruin the board as a moderator

your agenda blinds you to the truth

lose some weight dick strap

being morbidly obese at your age isn't good for your health

[Rammstein]

What exactly is this workout routine?

[Rammstein]

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=551480.0

Thanks.

[Ronnie Rep]

Try doing a weeks worth of 100's to shock the system instead.

[The True Adonis]

What exactly is this workout routine?

1. Compression.  Duration-3 Weeks. Use any routine as normally laid out. Stop resting between sets.  Count to 5 then hit the next set.
2. Adaption. Duration-3 Weeks. Use any routine. Do the entire routine each day (all body-parts), but in 3 non-consecutive days. Same rest as phase 1.
3. Completion. Duration-3 Weeks. Use any routine. Do the entire routine (all body-parts), 7 days a weeks.  Same rest phase as in 1 and 2.  You are now a machine.
4. Using the Machine. Duration-3 Weeks and on.  Use any routine.  Entire routine (all body-parts) 7 days a week- 3 of those days include 2 sessions a day.  4 of those days will just be one session.  Total workouts this phase= 10. Same rest.

[The True Adonis]

Try doing a weeks worth of 100's to shock the system instead.

I`ve done that and the only thing that shocked me was how stupid it was.

[local hero]

When you move onto full body workouts would you choose one exersize per bodypart then? I already train with next to no rest, chasing the pump... I think a lot of long time trainers gravitate to this for longetivity

[deceiver]

Yet another no one fad. And this time even TA caught the bug. Gosh. And I seriously thought you're smarter than that.

[no one]

I am interested in maximum hypertrophy. Improving the body as a machine doesn't interest me much. I don't do aerobics, either.

If a new method doesn't result in increased size for everyone using it then something is wrong somewhere.

Let us be clear about one thing. The science relating to the body and especially the muscles cannot and should not be ignored.

If no one's method works then it has to be explainable by science. If there is something new discovered then those findings will

be part of the revised science of the muscles.

One question for no one. He talks about adaptation. Well, from my reading and personal experience I found that there are

specific adaptations. It makes no sense to tell people to do things for adaptation. You need a goal and then a method to achieve it.

In the 1940s bodybuilders did full body workouts three times a week. By 1960 most were splitting upper body MWF and lower body

Tu Th and Sat. That was a big improvement and bodybuilders were able to get bigger. By 1960 Dianabol was becoming fashionable

by the insiders and that changed bodybuilding forever.

sorry vince i cant discuss or debate the science behind it cause i know nothing of science.

i discovered this by accident, like most cool things that get discovered. i was on vacation and wanted to train. i was already training my whole body 3x a week zero rest between sets by this point- i guess you could say i had adapted myself to level 2 of this routine just going by feel thru years of training, like most guys who i'd consider 'advanced' do- they train by feel.

i wanted to train again, but i was hesitant to train because this would have been 2 full body workouts in a row- and according to the 'science' i needed 72 hours to recover. but i said fuck it and trained anyway. and guess what? i felt amazing. huge pump. no soreness or stiffness. strength remained static. i left the gym thinking 'fuck im going to do this again tomorrow' and i did. and i did it for over 100 days. now i can blow thru my current routine and not even break a sweat. but its not about the cardiovascular benefits as you say, well my body has changed remarkably for the better. how can it not? cause the science doesnt agree?

i cant debate science with you sir. i love to train. i love being in the gym and just banging out sets with no thought to structure, numbers and science. i just listen to my body. something nobody does anymore cause the science tells them differently.

in all my posts here and all the years i have given advise i have been transparent and 100% forthright and truthful as to my experiences- and those who took what i suggested and put it into practice had the exact same experience i did. this will be no different.

[no one]

When you move onto full body workouts would you choose one exersize per bodypart then? I already train with next to no rest, chasing the pump... I think a lot of long time trainers gravitate to this for longetivity

no you do the routine you already do. its sounds like you train a lot like i did before i stumbled upon this training like this. no counting sets. just banging it out going by feel. thats exactly what your going to do for every body part, once you get to training it 3 times a week, then every day. nothing regarding the structure of your routine changes- its the same exercises, same amount of reps and sets. all the changes is the frequency.

[no one]

I train now 5/6 days a week, I train most body parts twice a week, I upped the pace last night and it took me 22minutes to train back
I did three main exercises
pulldowns wide grip
machine pulldowns close grip
rear pec dec for traps and upper back/rear delts
Dont ask me how many sets and reps because I have no idea I just pushed to failure each one, lots of partials at the end of the set,
Rest periods between sets were just enough to catch my breath and let the pump go down in my forearms (20 seconds or thereabouts)
I finished off with three sets of stiff leg deadlifts with a 10 k plate to stretch my low back and hams
I was sweating like a twat and gassed to now try and train legs would for me defeat the object or engorging that area with blood and keeping it there.

I will likely do that again Thursday or Friday

ya man lol awesome. it leaves you tanked eh? at some point tho you'll be blowing thru that routine. it wont even tax you. you'll find you reach such a stage of adaptation that the only way you think you'll be able to further tax yourself is by adding more sets cause the workout gets too 'easy'. i found this kicked in around week 11 or so? thats when i was like fuck it, lets try it 2x a day 3x a week instead of just adding extra sets cause i have a schedule that allows me the comfort of training that way.

now take that- your increased your workload over and above what you are doing now. then you add additional work on top of it. plus your using anabolics. you get the picture here?

i would venture to say that once you get to this point increasing anabolic intake, along with your ability to keep the muscle under stress longer, train with additional sets over and above what your using now- so now its volume, and frequency- and have it repair to the point it can be trained again the next day- how the fuck can you NOT 'grow'. im speaking from experience cause i upped my coasting dose at the 12 week mark. doubled it in fact- from 350 to 700. so this isnt speculation. im not going to tell you what happens. ill let you find out for yourself.

and all it takes is abt 9 -12 weeks to get there. but you'll def see significant changes all the way thru right from the start until at 9-12 week mark.

[no one]

Yet another no one fad. And this time even TA caught the bug. Gosh. And I seriously thought you're smarter than that.

what the fuck is your problem?

im trying to better people. im giving my time and experiences to help people with their training.

if you dont like it fuck off. its that simple.

fuck your the whiniest bitch on this board. make yourself useful, sally, and go make us some sandwiches.

[no one]

No one.

don't listen to the these loser.

your program is working. i have been following your diet, AAs and training for few months and it works great.
it require, people to change there thinking \ mind. which is the most difficult part of this program.

but yes. size wise, you may not be bigger, however, more quality, dens..ect

thank you sir.

the size will come once you start hitting everything 7x a week if your up your dose a hair. you dont even need a huge increase for it to be noticeable.

this gets me onto another thing. i think using this a slight bump in mgs every 12 weeks would keep you constantly growing and adding really good quality tissue. id guinea pig it myself but i already know where it'll take me and its a look i no longer want.

[thegamechanger]

my superior routine is this

- train your whole body once or twice a week
- do something for your heart and lungs like riding a bike a few times a week
- plenty of sex
- plenty of rest
- do some yoga

repeat

[Grape Ape]

Off topic, but Gamechanger's routine is actually really good.

[El Diablo Blanco]

It's like any new routine.  you do the same shit for years and stop feeling the effects, you switch it up and all of a sudden get DOMS again, better pump but do it for a while and it becomes mundane.  NO ONE doesn't something good in that every few weeks changes the routine so you don't go stale.

[no one]

Off topic, but Gamechanger's routine is actually really good.

totally on topic and I agree.

[Howard]

people will try every excuse to complicate, justify and defend what should be so simple.

I still have no real specifics on what the workout was?

[Simple Simon]

Shoulders and arms today 25 mins
machine press supersetted with lateral raises with a powerband
preacher curls supersetted with standing 1 arm curls with a band
triceps single arm extensions with band
machine dips

arms like balloons and gassed.

[the trainer]

So noone so call magic routine is nothing more than doing high volume with no rest between sets, what an amazing discovery right up there with the discovery of the wheel I am sure noone is being considered for the noble peace prize.

[tarqs51]

So noone so call magic routine is nothing more than doing high volume with no rest between sets, what an amazing discovery right up there with the discovery of the wheel I am sure noone is being considered for the noble peace prize.

fuck off

[Vince B]

It's like any new routine.  you do the same shit for years and stop feeling the effects, you switch it up and all of a sudden get DOMS again, better pump but do it for a while and it becomes mundane.  NO ONE doesn't something good in that every few weeks changes the routine so you don't go stale.

We all know that extreme NEW protocols can trigger adaptation and growth. If you change what you are doing every 3 weeks for 12 weeks you should continue to adapt.

However, if after 9 weeks the soreness disappears I doubt hypertrophy is occurring. What then?

Consider what would happen if instead of trying to make your body a machine that you tried to keep your muscles in a steady state of DOMS? Not all your muscles but one or two groups.

It is my conjecture that the muscle will continue to hypertrophy and do so rapidly. To test this see if you can get your biceps sore. Next, keep them sore for a whole month! It is easy to get your triceps sore. Then do the same for

the calves. Train every third day for a month and you should put an inch on both muscle groups. I advocate gaining weight as you grow.

[Soul Crusher]

So noone so call magic routine is nothing more than doing high volume with no rest between sets, what an amazing discovery right up there with the discovery of the wheel I am sure noone is being considered for the noble peace prize.

Try my workout - you will be dead in 15 minutes flat. 

[Till_I-Collapse]

Got the routine, and already started applying it. But what about the cardio element, still don't get it. Do you add cardio to complement leg training? Please elaborate.