After Yesterday`s "No One" Machine Workout...

[King Shizzo]

Hold on...... Pellius is actually talking shit to no one?

Pellius looks like a veiny corpse.

No one has a body only Pellius could dream of.

Turtle belly mad.

[che]

 

you will max out naturally in about 3 years with about 90% of your gains coming in the first year.

I totally disagree

[pellius]

vince your missing the point.

the lighter weight/ no rest is strictly to allow you to train your whole body in around an hour, get a massive pump and get the fuck out of the gym so you can hit it again tomorrow, and the day after that and the day after that. and every day after those. and recover enough between sessions to do it.

thats where the growth is. not the duration of the workouts. not the time under tension. not the weight. the FREQUENCY OF THE SESSIONS. constant pounding of the fiber forcing the adaptation necessary for it to strengthen, become more efficient, and grow.

the no rest/ compression is simply just one aspect of it. and i'll address the 'lighter weight' comment here as well.

i didnt say train lighter. i said to use the same number of sets and reps your using now. if you have to reduce the weight to do that your still taxing the fiber to failure regardless of weight so weight becomes relative at this point.

this isnt about just training with no rest. no rest enables you to train your body in an hour and gtfo the gym go home rest and force the adaptations necessary to come back tomorrow and hit it again. the frequency- training the whole body every day is where the changes are made.

This is directed at Vince because it makes a good point. As Arthur Jones pointed out, the relationship between intensity and resistance is coincidental. In fact, he considered it an ideal situation to have low resistance with high intensity to avoid injury and wear and tear.

Take a person doing, say, a set of barbell curls. Say he can curl 100 lbs for 10 reps failing at the 11th despite all his effort. During his first rep his output is high because he could very easily curl more than 100 lbs at that moment. Yet intensity is low because it's easy for him. As the set progresses his output starts to drop, i.e. his ability to exert force via muscular contraction, yet his intensity goes up as it takes more volitional effort with each additional rep. On his last rep his output is at his lowest, he is at his weakest, but his intensity is at his highest.

By moving quickly Jones claimed that you can increase intensity as well as develop "cardiovascular conditioining". You train your muscles individually anaerobically and your body, in the systemic sense, aerobically.

If can do 20 sets in an hour and then later do that same 20 sets in the same fashion in a half an hour you have not increased the work load but you have increased the intensity. Same principle that no matter whether you walk or run a mile you still burn the same amount of calories except if you run the mile in 4.5 minutes you have just increase the intensity of the run then if you did it in 10 minutes.

Who will be in better shape? The one who runs a mile or the one who walks the mile. Of the three factors in training: frequency, duration and intensity; it is intensity that is by far the most neglected. People simply don't train hard enough to stimulate an adaptive response.

[pellius]

Hold on...... Pellius is actually talking shit to no one?

Pellius looks like a veiny corpse.

No one has a body only Pellius could dream of.

Turtle belly mad.

Good to see you back on the boards. Loved that latest pic you posted. I wasn't able to get in on the thread that ran for volumes due to time constraints.

[pellius]

I totally disagree

Well, the good doctor did say there are exceptions to everything. I consider you far above average genetically. Just look at the average gym rat that has been training for years and years.

[no one]

dear pelvis.

it brings me great pleausre to write you this letter.

you are a very very weird little man, sir. do you realise this? i think not or else you wouldnt be behaving in such an erratic manner. its a combination of stalkerish/ weird vested interest in trying to conquer the mighty no one, which is just not a possibility.

you seem so infatuated with my shirt being on at a pool party- but i can understand looking the way you do, that if you in the remotest looked like me you'd have your shirt off before you got thru the lobby of the hotel. i get that.

understand this, gimp. you are not me. the reasons i do the things i do are not the same reasons you would. thats why when you say i left my shirt on was because i think im better than everyone else? well thats exactly why you'd leave your shirt on if you looked like me -your reasoning belies the cock that you'd be in real life.

you see, my reasons are far less complex, dildo. i didnt feel the need to remove my shirt simply because i felt like leaving it on. its a pretty simple concept. i wasnt there to showcase myself like you would be if you didnt look like something that fell out of a bag of raisins.

believe it or not, speedbag, there actually are some people who look great that dont take their shirts off at venues one would typically expect one to be shirtless. amazing isnt it? Xfactor has one the best builds on this site, and one of the best builds i have seen irl, and he had his shirt on this summer at an event we attended. i was like dude, whats with the shirt. he gave me this look that was so blank it was like i had asked him why he was eating if we were at a restaurant.

of course being the cock you are you just wouldnt get that, would you, cock?

so, let me end this wonderful soliloquy to my greatness by encouraging you to further follow me around this thread like a tail on a dog as you continue your downward spiral into looking like a bigger fucking weirdo than you were two pages ago. lol

dismissed, nancy.

[che]

Well, the good doctor did say there are exceptions to everything. I consider you far above average genetically. Just look at the average gym rat that has been training for years and years.

It took me about  10 years of consistent training to max out , BTW you still training MMA ?

[King Shizzo]

It took me about  10 years of consistent training to max out , BTW you still training MMA ?

I heard he switched to BBC.

[Vince B]

Who cares why someone didn't take off his shirt! What are the principles of hypertrophy? That is what is important.

No one has presented a system and claims the frequency is the trigger for adaptation. The problem for this system

is that how do you progress if you are training once a day already? When you have to spend so much time training

it defeats the purpose of doing exercises. In other words, who wants to train daily like that to keep his gains?

We need progression for hypertrophy to keep occurring.

Pellius is arguing that intensity is the trigger. Unfortunately that isn't completely true. Yes, you have to experience

time under tension for a certain length of time. Suppose it is the last two reps of a set that contribute the most to

a stimulus for more muscle size. If you do just one set that is insufficient to keep a large muscle growing. What we

need are more sets. Perhaps we need from 1 to 2 minutes under the maximum intensity per workout. That means

you need to do plenty of sets. That is exactly what most champs have discovered. Lots of hard sets. I think we

need 5 or 6 sets using the maximum resistance. Now, whether there are equivalent methods that generate the same

stimulus isn't known but I rather doubt we need big muscles to lift light weights. We need big muscles to lift

moderately heavy weights over and over and over again. I don't see how anyone can avoid doing this.

[The Ugly]

I think what is often missed, ignore or not considered by bbers is that when the body adapts to resistance training this doesn't necessarily mean that adaptive response is muscle hypertrophy. Arnold mentioned in his first bio how they went up into the mountains and did 60 sets of squats. Benny Podda said that he and Ray Mentzer would have "squat parties" in which they would literally squat for hours on end through the night.

I imgine they would have adapted in the sense that they could endure such training better than when they first started. But did this translate into an increase in muscle size? Though I personally thought Arnold had great quads in his prime, it was often considered a weak point and I imgaine if 60 sets were productive he would have continued to use this protocol.

Again I look at Coleman's training. He did nothing special but push himself. Just basic exercises using questionable form yet he built more quality muscle mass than any human being thus far. I looked at Jay's training. Same monotous routine that seem to rarely change with a more "going through the motions" mentality than Coleman yet was a multiple Mr. O.

As Thomas Sowell from Stanford University once remarked, "So much of a person's fate is determine on the day he is born."

Where you are born? With what you are born with? To whom you are born from?.... The list is endless.

You've seen his pics, right? We've seen yours. Doesn't that mean anything to you?

[SUPREME BEING]

I have been trying this workout and so far i gotta say i am really impressed.

I have found it hard to get any cardio time in at the gym and i feel like doing the noone method is helping me build muscle and get my cardio in at the same time.

Just few questions:

1. When we get to stage where we do full body-workout everyday do we still do exact same routines. I have currently been doing 6 exercises for back and then 4 for bi's on the same day. Do i continue with these into the full body-workout or shall i cut it down somewhat??

2. My fiends reckons the chance of injury doing workouts like this will increase - he said muscles when sore need rest and training already sore muscles will lead to failure. So what are chance of injury (i can't really suffer any-more as i had 3 knee surgeries and multiple back and elbow issues).

3. I am in my second week of doing this routine and i have good cardio anyway i do alot of long distance swimming - so i am finding the no rest thing not as difficult as 1st week. Should i wait till week 4 or shall i start incorporating more routines into my workout already??


Muscles feel super pumped and i am actually enjoying lifting again as time flies by when you are doing the non-stop protocol. Thanks noone.

[El Diablo Blanco]

dear pelvis.

it brings me great pleausre to write you this letter.

you are a very very weird little man, sir. do you realise this? i think not or else you wouldnt be behaving in such an erratic manner. its a combination of stalkerish/ weird vested interest in trying to conquer the mighty no one, which is just not a possibility.

you seem so infatuated with my shirt being on at a pool party- but i can understand looking the way you do, that if you in the remotest looked like me you'd have your shirt off before you got thru the lobby of the hotel. i get that.

understand this, gimp. you are not me. the reasons i do the things i do are not the same reasons you would. thats why when you say i left my shirt on was because i think im better than everyone else? well thats exactly why you'd leave your shirt on if you looked like me -your reasoning belies the cock that you'd be in real life.

you see, my reasons are far less complex, dildo. i didnt feel the need to remove my shirt simply because i felt like leaving it on. its a pretty simple concept. i wasnt there to showcase myself like you would be if you didnt look like something that fell out of a bag of raisins.

believe it or not, speedbag, there actually are some people who look great that dont take their shirts off at venues one would typically expect one to be shirtless. amazing isnt it? Xfactor has one the best builds on this site, and one of the best builds i have seen irl, and he had his shirt on this summer at an event we attended. i was like dude, whats with the shirt. he gave me this look that was so blank it was like i had asked him why he was eating if we were at a restaurant.

of course being the cock you are you just wouldnt get that, would you, cock?

so, let me end this wonderful soliloquy to my greatness by encouraging you to further follow me around this thread like a tail on a dog as you continue your downward spiral into looking like a bigger fucking weirdo than you were two pages ago. lol

dismissed, nancy.

X2.  Was at a XS in Vegas swim and was in my best shape in years.  Full clean cut abs, lean, running tren hard.  I felt comfortable in my tank.  Even though my friends pestered me to take it off I just felt uncomfortable being in a club with my shirt off.  I wasn't embarassed or anything, just didn't make me feel comfortable to do.  I still racked up more chicks than them anyways.  Even at the pool parties I took my shirt off a couple times but I just feel better dressed.  I guess it doesn't make sense to work out so hard, diet and get clean to keep a shirt off but chicks can see enough from my arms and shoulders that I am lean and cut underneath the shirt.

[keanu]

vince your missing the point.

If Vince put on an inch on his arms and over an inch on his calves in a month, perhaps he has a point too?

[visualizeperfection]

Good to see you back on the boards. Loved that latest pic you posted. I wasn't able to get in on the thread that ran for volumes due to time constraints.

We are thankful for that.

[no one]

If Vince put on an inch on his arms and over an inch on his calves in a month, perhaps he has a point too?

i was referring to the point of my routine.

he can have all the points he wants.as much as i enjoy thr discussion all they add up to are specualtion and hypothesis.

he needs to either try it himself, or mentor someone at his gym for 12 weeks if he really wants to prove or disprove the basis of this thread- that my rotuine works.

[no one]

I have been trying this workout and so far i gotta say i am really impressed.

I have found it hard to get any cardio time in at the gym and i feel like doing the noone method is helping me build muscle and get my cardio in at the same time.

Just few questions:

1. When we get to stage where we do full body-workout everyday do we still do exact same routines. I have currently been doing 6 exercises for back and then 4 for bi's on the same day. Do i continue with these into the full body-workout or shall i cut it down somewhat??

2. My fiends reckons the chance of injury doing workouts like this will increase - he said muscles when sore need rest and training already sore muscles will lead to failure. So what are chance of injury (i can't really suffer any-more as i had 3 knee surgeries and multiple back and elbow issues).

3. I am in my second week of doing this routine and i have good cardio anyway i do alot of long distance swimming - so i am finding the no rest thing not as difficult as 1st week. Should i wait till week 4 or shall i start incorporating more routines into my workout already??


Muscles feel super pumped and i am actually enjoying lifting again as time flies by when you are doing the non-stop protocol. Thanks noone.

glad you like it dude. keep going the best it yet to come.

so to your questions...

1) keep the volume. you'll recover easily between workouts. in fact you might find by week 12 you'll want to increase the sest as you might not find your original routine taxing enough. as for exercises, switch them up or keep them the same it doesnt matter. all that matters is that the fiber is trained to fatigue w enough weight to cause it to need to repair and adapt, and often enough to get the density and growth and endurance we are after.

2) if you let the body adapt to this routine imo you wont get injured since you are creating a more resilient adapted muscle. thats why you can hendle increased workloads. this ties into directly with your 3rd question...

3) the first two stages are not just about becoming efficient and getting your cardio up, they are there to allow the fiber time to adapt to the increase in workload and frequency of workouts. thats what causes the gains- the adaptations. when you dont give the muscle time to adapt thats when you damage it.

great questions. i hope everyones special attention to numbers 2 and 3. dont be impatient anfd skip weeks. you need to allow the mucsle time to get used to the frequencies. to not do so will set you up for possible injury.

cheers dude thanks for taking the time to post up your questions. id much rather answer qustions from someone doing it, than prove to someone not doing it that it will work.

[The True Adonis]

I am loving the routine so far as well.  Leg day is absolutely brutal with nearly no rest, doing squats. 

[CalvinH]

I never want to miss an opportunity to spite CalvinH.

 

[SUPREME BEING]

Thanks noone for answering my questions - your a good guy.

I have another question:

- Assuming we were training full body in a single workout. Now do we got in serial fashion i.e train back then chest then tris? Or can we simply do one chest exercise and then one back and so forth. So we still do same routine just in random order. I think this will make it a lot easier because once chest is fatigued on one exercise then if we hit back next it will give chest recover for next time we get around to it. What is the optimal way to do this?

Thanks again, i have not enjoyed working out this much for nearly a decade. Hope i can keep it up.

[noc]

I am loving the routine so far as well.  Leg day is absolutely brutal with nearly no rest, doing squats. 

Sounds dangerous.

Is your GF spotting 

[pellius]

dear pelvis.

it brings me great pleausre to write you this letter.

you are a very very weird little man, sir. do you realise this? i think not or else you wouldnt be behaving in such an erratic manner. its a combination of stalkerish/ weird vested interest in trying to conquer the mighty no one, which is just not a possibility.

you seem so infatuated with my shirt being on at a pool party- but i can understand looking the way you do, that if you in the remotest looked like me you'd have your shirt off before you got thru the lobby of the hotel. i get that.

understand this, gimp. you are not me. the reasons i do the things i do are not the same reasons you would. thats why when you say i left my shirt on was because i think im better than everyone else? well thats exactly why you'd leave your shirt on if you looked like me -your reasoning belies the cock that you'd be in real life.

you see, my reasons are far less complex, dildo. i didnt feel the need to remove my shirt simply because i felt like leaving it on. its a pretty simple concept. i wasnt there to showcase myself like you would be if you didnt look like something that fell out of a bag of raisins.

believe it or not, speedbag, there actually are some people who look great that dont take their shirts off at venues one would typically expect one to be shirtless. amazing isnt it? Xfactor has one the best builds on this site, and one of the best builds i have seen irl, and he had his shirt on this summer at an event we attended. i was like dude, whats with the shirt. he gave me this look that was so blank it was like i had asked him why he was eating if we were at a restaurant.

of course being the cock you are you just wouldnt get that, would you, cock?

so, let me end this wonderful soliloquy to my greatness by encouraging you to further follow me around this thread like a tail on a dog as you continue your downward spiral into looking like a bigger fucking weirdo than you were two pages ago. lol

dismissed, nancy.

Wow! Now tha'ts a meltdown! I've really got in your head. "Pelvis", "gimp", "dildo", "speed bag", "cock"..... and the list goes on and on and the epic owning is complete.

Sucks when you mouth off to the wrong person. Should have just mind your own business. Are you going to take your shirt off?

Pellius = Winning

[pellius]

It took me about  10 years of consistent training to max out , BTW you still training MMA ?

But after about, say five years, were you still about to put on lean muscle. For example, how heavy were you after 8 years of training compare to five years? But in your case even the god of hormonas said that you were exceptional. Look at most people in the gym. They are there year after year but most look like they never picked up a weight in their life.

Yes, still keep the training up but I'm down to twice a week. When people say it's all in the mind I guess they're right in a sense. My "mind", i.e., desire and drive is their but the body simply cannot endure that type of training like it use to. I have to be very careful with the partners I choose to roll with and throw hands with. Hawaii is different than the mainland. Everybody wants to fight all out even in training.

[pellius]

Who cares why someone didn't take off his shirt! What are the principles of hypertrophy? That is what is important.

No one has presented a system and claims the frequency is the trigger for adaptation. The problem for this system

is that how do you progress if you are training once a day already? When you have to spend so much time training

it defeats the purpose of doing exercises. In other words, who wants to train daily like that to keep his gains?

We need progression for hypertrophy to keep occurring.

Pellius is arguing that intensity is the trigger. Unfortunately that isn't completely true. Yes, you have to experience

time under tension for a certain length of time. Suppose it is the last two reps of a set that contribute the most to

a stimulus for more muscle size. If you do just one set that is insufficient to keep a large muscle growing. What we

need are more sets. Perhaps we need from 1 to 2 minutes under the maximum intensity per workout. That means

you need to do plenty of sets. That is exactly what most champs have discovered. Lots of hard sets. I think we

need 5 or 6 sets using the maximum resistance. Now, whether there are equivalent methods that generate the same

stimulus isn't known but I rather doubt we need big muscles to lift light weights. We need big muscles to lift

moderately heavy weights over and over and over again. I don't see how anyone can avoid doing this.

Yes, you make a good point. How much intensity is required? Maybe it's only 90% or even 80%? But as Mentzer argue you cannot objectively measure those levels. You can accurately measure only two levels: zero intensity and 100% intensity. But even 100% is subjective. Sometimes you think you are really pushing yourself when you really are not. Maybe it's a good thing for at least a beginning to keep track of progress. If you did 8 reps the last time you strive for 9 reps the next.

And the same with duration and frequency. I don't think one set per body part will do it. So how much? Ten, twenty, sixty? Do we train 3 times a week? Six times? Twice a day?

This is where the rub is. The basic principle is the same for everybody and applies to everybody. To increase size, strength and functional ability of a muscle you have to subject it to an over load. It's the specifics that varies from individual to individual as well as the response and results.

I will now take off my shirt.

[pellius]

You've seen his pics, right? We've seen yours. Doesn't that mean anything to you?

Yes, it means he has a much better physique than me. As I said early on in this thread, No One is an advance bodybuilder. There are tons of advance bodybuilders in every gym across the world.

My issue with him has nothing to do with who has bigger and nicer muscles. In fact, I had no issue with him and never initially addressed him. I simply ask TA for some real world proof as to the great results he is claiming. It was No One who picked a fight with me.

[njflex]

Yes, it means he has a much better physique than me. As I said early on in this thread, No One is an advance bodybuilder. There are tons of advance bodybuilders in every gym across the world.

My issue with him has nothing to do with who has bigger and nicer muscles. In fact, I had no issue with him and never initially addressed him. I simply ask TA for some real world proof as to the great results he is claiming. It was No One who picked a fight with me.

are u still training/shredded /using?you were very lean 'skinned'for a while .i think your a good dude and good poster here for longtime.