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Re: I get tired of eating so much meat
« Reply #75 on: October 08, 2014, 04:10:50 PM »
thank you. your doing great w this by the way. water is a great example. when the body needs water you become thirsty.

how does the body let you know it needs protein so you can give it an exact amount?

in the future please try to make sense so that I might continue to use you as a teaching tool. your regurgitation of broscience is bad enough.
Try the mirror eat only carbs and and a look at your gut, eat high protein low carbs watch your strength drop in the gym if you learn to use your common sense and listen to your body you will be better off. 

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Re: I get tired of eating so much meat
« Reply #76 on: October 08, 2014, 04:22:32 PM »
so if I eat 5k cal of McDonald's daily I'll get fat and I eat 5k cal of 'caveman food' I won't get fat? lol

everybody is fat because they overeat. period.

keep up the good work- your doing great.


mcdonald is process food loaded with chemicals and high levels of sodium it will wreck havoc on your body making you obese and increasing your risk of diabetes all the countries that american junk food franchises went to had an increase in obesity in the population, I am starting to figure out that you really dont know shit about nutrition.

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Re: I get tired of eating so much meat
« Reply #77 on: October 08, 2014, 04:25:30 PM »
Try the mirror eat only carbs and and a look at your gut, eat high protein low carbs watch your strength drop in the gym if you learn to use your common sense and listen to your body you will be better off.  

so you lose muscle if you don't eat carbs? what mechanism causes this?

I have eaten just carbs several times. today for example. I've had maybe 25grams of protein. I'm full and vascular. how much muscle will I lose today if I don't eat anymore protein? on ounce? 2 ounces?

what does any of this have to do with me needing x amount of protein every x amount of minutes?

keep going your doing great.  



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Re: I get tired of eating so much meat
« Reply #78 on: October 08, 2014, 04:26:42 PM »
It's best not to directly address the trainer

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Re: I get tired of eating so much meat
« Reply #79 on: October 08, 2014, 04:28:45 PM »
mcdonald is process food loaded with chemicals and high levels of sodium it will wreck havoc on your body making you obese and increasing your risk of diabetes all the countries that american junk food franchises went to had an increase in obesity in the population, I am starting to figure out that you really dont know shit about nutrition.


what does this have to do with 5k cals of McDonald's making me fat and 5k cals of 'caveman food' not making me fat?

are you saying 5k cal of caveman food won't make me fat but 5k cals of McDonald's will?
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Re: I get tired of eating so much meat
« Reply #80 on: October 08, 2014, 04:28:54 PM »
another bunch of broscience bullshit about how meat is better than powder.

does anyone really think ANY protein source is better than another? do you think your body says 'hmm this isn't isolate' or 'this isn't chicken breast' ?

all protein is same.

as for amounts I have never noticed a difference between 250 and 150 when I diet.

we eat too much protein, and it is all the same at the end of the day. I knows some people's entire existence will be shattered to hear that- they need some proteins to be better than others. lol sorry to disappoint

I couldn't agree more.

so if I eat 5k cal of McDonald's daily I'll get fat and I eat 5k cal of 'caveman food' I won't get fat? lol

everybody is fat because they overeat. period.

keep up the good work- your doing great.


Again.

Don't bother no one, they believe there is magic in the "shit" food that makes you fat. Like guy I know who thinks microwave makes food cancerogenic because it "twists" the atoms.

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Re: I get tired of eating so much meat
« Reply #81 on: October 08, 2014, 04:30:26 PM »
It's best not to directly address the trainer

lol the trainer is going to teach people to think about the things they believe and why.

he's going to be a real life GB crash test dummy.
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Re: I get tired of eating so much meat
« Reply #82 on: October 08, 2014, 04:35:12 PM »

how much protein per meal is ideal?

does your body demand only 30grams? 40grams? how does your body know how many grams of protein 60 grams is? lol

when does it need it? does your body go 'fuck it's 2pm I need 30 grams of protein'. 'oh fuck it's 5pm I need 60 grams now'. or does it need to same number of grams of protein every time all spaced exactly x amount of hours apart. how does your body know it's 5pm or 7pm?

listening to your posts is like reading a encyclopedia of broscience.

I used to think your were a worthless gimmick. but now I see a use for you. I'm going to use your posts to test people to think about 'why' they do the things they do. in a twisted way your actually going to become useful.

congrats on that.

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Re: I get tired of eating so much meat
« Reply #83 on: October 08, 2014, 04:35:39 PM »
the same thing.

guy A eats 125 grams of protein in one meal, which happens to be his goal for that day.

guy B eats 5 meals of 25 grams of protein for 125g daily which happens to be his goal for the day.

the body utilises the protein in both instances equally if it is needed.

but now I get what you were saying.

Exactly.

BTW did you know that "30 grams per meal" myth came from a study that was misunderstood by the bobybuilders? It said that there is a limit of how much protein you can absorb per hour so morons concluded if you eat more than that it won't be absorbed. But what was the original meaning is that it will just take longer.

And this study is old as fuck.

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Re: I get tired of eating so much meat
« Reply #84 on: October 08, 2014, 04:37:44 PM »
I`ve been fighting these battles for years and still see no end in sight.

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Re: I get tired of eating so much meat
« Reply #85 on: October 08, 2014, 04:37:51 PM »
I couldn't agree more.

Again.

Don't bother no one, they believe there is magic in the "shit" food that makes you fat. Like guy I know who thinks microwave makes food cancerogenic because it "twists" the atoms.


nah I'm not doing this to help trainer. he's a useless gimmick. I'm using him and his broscience to get people to actually stop and think about why they believe the things they do, and why they do the things they do. and maybe they'll say, hey. why am I doing this? maybe they'll try something different, make their lives a lot simpler, and enjoy training and eating again.

fuck maybe they'll even get results.
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Re: I get tired of eating so much meat
« Reply #86 on: October 08, 2014, 04:38:52 PM »

what does this have to do with 5k cals of McDonald's making me fat and 5k cals of 'caveman food' not making me fat?

are you saying 5k cal of caveman food won't make me fat but 5k cals of McDonald's will?



Think about this. A can of chicken will last for years just sitting on your shelf. How long would a real chicken breast last just sitting on your table? 10 minutes?
Which one do you think your body will process better?
 Now think about that video of the Mcd's burger that was left at room temperature for months and never changed. How would your body process that?

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Re: I get tired of eating so much meat
« Reply #87 on: October 08, 2014, 04:40:40 PM »
What about all this talk of protein bioavailability?

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Re: I get tired of eating so much meat
« Reply #88 on: October 08, 2014, 04:43:37 PM »

nah I'm not doing this to help trainer. he's a useless gimmick. I'm using him and his broscience to get people to actually stop and think about why they believe the things they do, and why they do the things they do. and maybe they'll say, hey. why am I doing this? maybe they'll try something different, make their lives a lot simpler, and enjoy training and eating again.

fuck maybe they'll even get results.
noone, my theory on the trainer has been and is as follows:

he's, in the words of AJ, an "untrollable gimmick. more machine than man at this point" or something genius like that (AJ recently posted this somewhere and I can't agree more)

the fact that JUNIOR is claiming he met the trainer in vegas and the trainer is actually an IFBB pro further cements my point that the trainer does not exist.

however, here is the trainer's schtick: he is pretending to be the bro science loaded personal trainer at the gym that everyone who knows a thing or two about this sport hates. He spouts broscience and random GIFs to eccentuate his gimmick position of being "that guy"--that retarded personal trainer who would do that.

Literally, on more than one occasion, he has VERBATIM copy and pasted the worst of the worst from M+D articles and posted them here, and I am not going through a post history to prove this, but there was an occasion I saw something and put it into google search and bam... M+D from like  2004 on BCAAs.

However, I like the angle you're taking with this (: perhaps AJ and I are wrong and he's not a machine of a gimmick. If anyone can make him implode it will be you.

P.S. trainer, how many lentils is the sweet spot? Thanks.

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Re: I get tired of eating so much meat
« Reply #89 on: October 08, 2014, 04:47:38 PM »


Think about this. A can of chicken will last for years just sitting on your shelf. How long would a real chicken breast last just sitting on your table? 10 minutes?
Which one do you think your body will process better?
 Now think about that video of the Mcd's burger that was left at room temperature for months and never changed. How would your body process that?

I cannot fathom how these have anything to do with each other but OK :D


nah I'm not doing this to help trainer. he's a useless gimmick. I'm using him and his broscience to get people to actually stop and think about why they believe the things they do, and why they do the things they do. and maybe they'll say, hey. why am I doing this? maybe they'll try something different, make their lives a lot simpler, and enjoy training and eating again.

fuck maybe they'll even get results.

It's not about results, I think you can get results by believing in broscience. I know plenty of people who believe everything he writes and look fantastic. It's about making life simpler. And when your life is simple it is easier to maintain it. You're old and in shape for how many years now? That's the difference.
 
I see that we agree more than we disagree. And by the way, you shouldn't really bash Norton that much, what he says is in line with everything you said.

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Re: I get tired of eating so much meat
« Reply #90 on: October 08, 2014, 04:48:06 PM »
lol the trainer is going to teach people to think about the things they believe and why.

he's going to be a real life GB crash test dummy.

Its pretty obvious that you are ignorant and illiterate you are simply a meathead so its pointless to argue with you, but I will intervene if I see you giving dangerous and ignorant info to unsuspecting people.

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Re: I get tired of eating so much meat
« Reply #91 on: October 08, 2014, 04:49:53 PM »


Think about this. A can of chicken will last for years just sitting on your shelf. How long would a real chicken breast last just sitting on your table? 10 minutes?
Which one do you think your body will process better?
 Now think about that video of the Mcd's burger that was left at room temperature for months and never changed. How would your body process that?
I have already been through this. 

The Burger Lab: Revisiting the Myth of The 12-Year Old McDonald's Burger That Just Won't Rot (Testing Results!)
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A few weeks back, I started an experiment designed to prove or disprove whether or not the magic, non-decomposing McDonald's hamburgers that have been making their way around the internet are indeed worthy of disgust or even interest.

By way of introduction, allow myself to quote myself. This is from myprevious article:

    Back in 2008, Karen Hanrahan, of the blog Best of Mother Earth posted a picture of a hamburger that she uses as a prop for a class she teaches on how to help parents keep their children away from junk food... The hamburger she's been using as a prop is the same plain McDonald's hamburger she's been using for what's now going on 14 years. It looks pretty much identical to how it did the day she bought it, and she's not had to use any means of preservation. The burger travels with her, and sits at room temperature.

    Now Karen is neither the first nor last to document this very same phenomenon. Artist Sally Davies photographs her 137 day-old hamburger every day for her Happy Meal Art Project. Nonna Joann has chosen to store her happy meal for a year on her blog rather than feed it to her kids. Dozens of other examples exist, and most of them come to the same conclusion: McDonald's hamburgers don't rot.

The problem with coming to that conclusion, of course, is that if you are a believer in science (and I certainly hope you are!), in order to make a conclusion, you must first start with a few observable premises as a starting point with which you form a theorem, followed by a reasonably rigorous experiment with controls built in place to verify the validity of that theorem.

Thus far, I haven't located a single source that treats this McDonald's hamburger phenomenon in this fashion. Instead, most rely on speculation, specious reasoning, and downright obtuseness to arrive at the conclusion that a McDonald's burger "is a chemical food[, with] absolutely no nutrition."

As I said before, that kind of conclusion is both sensationalistic and specious, and has no place in any of the respectable academic circles which A Hamburger Today would like to consider itself an upstanding member of.
The Theory Behind the Burger

Things we know so far:

    A plain McDonald's Hamburger, when left out in the open air, does not mold or decompose.
    In order for mold to grow, a few things need to be present: mold spores, air, moisture, and a reasonably hospitable climate

Given those two facts, there are a number of theories as to why a McDonald's burger might not rot:

    There is some kind of chemical preservative in the beef and/or bun and/or the wrapping that is not found in a normal burger and/or bun that creates an inhospitable environment for mold to grow.
    The high salt level of a McDonald's burger is preventing the burger from rotting.
    The small size of a McDonald's hamburger is allowing it to dehydrate fast enough that there is not enough moisture present for mold to grow
    There are no mold spores present on McDonald's hamburgers, nor in the air in and around where the burgers were stored.
    There is no air in the the environment where the McDonald's hamburgers were stored

    There's mold everywhere.

Of these theories, we can immediately eliminate 5, for reasons too obvious to enumerate. As for number 4, it's probably true that there are no live molds on a hamburger when you first receive it, as they are cooked on an extremely hot griddle from both sides to an internal temperature of at least 165°F—hot enough to destroy any mold. But in the air where they were stored? Most likely there's mold present. There's mold everywhere.

Theory 1 is the one most often concluded in the various blogs out there, but there doesn't seem to be strong evidence one way or the other. If we are to believe packaging and nutrition labeling (and I see no reason not to), there are preservatives in a McDonald's bun, but no more than in your average loaf of bread from the supermarket. A regular loaf of supermarket bread certainly rots, so why not the McD's? Their beef is also (according to them) 100% ground beef, so nothing funny going on there, is there?

In order for any test to be considered valid, you need to include a control. Something in which you already know whether or not the variable being tested is present.

In the case of these burgers, that means testing a McDonald's burger against a burger that is absolutely known not to contain anything but beef. The only way to do this, of course, is to cook it myself from natural beef ground at home.



I decided to design a series of tests in order to ascertain the likeliness of each one of these separate scenarios (with the exception of the no-air theory, which frankly, doesn't hold wind—get it?). Here's what I had in mind:

    Sample 1: A plain McDonald's hamburger stored on a plate in the open air outside of its wrapper.
    Sample 2: A plain burger made from home-ground fresh all-natural chuck of the exact dimensions as the McDonald's burger, on a standard store-bought toasted bun.
    Sample 3: A plain burger with a home-ground patty, but a McDonald's bun.
    Sample 4: A plain burger with a McDonald's patty on a store-bought bun.*
    Sample 5: A plain McDonald's burger stored in its original packaging.
    Sample 6: A plain McDonald's burger made without any salt, stored in the open air.
    Sample 7: A plain McDonald's Quarter Pounder, stored in the open air.
    Sample 8: A homemade burger the exact dimension of a McDonald's Quarter Pounder.
    Sample 9:A plain McDonald's Angus Third Pounder, stored in the open air

*To read about the fascinating manner in which I procured these plain patties, please refer to the original post.

You may notice that my protocols have been slightly expanded since I first laid them out to you a few weeks ago. That's due to several good ideas in the comments section which I incorporated into my testing the day after the initial publication.



Every day, I monitored the progress of the burgers, weighing each one, and carefully checking for spots of mold growth or other indications of decay. The burgers were left in the open air, but handled only with clean kitchen tools or through clean plastic bags (no direct contact with my hands until the last day).

At this point, it's been 25 days, 23 calm, cool, and collected discussions with my wife about whether that smell in the apartment is coming from the burgers or from the dog, and 16 nights spent sleeping on the couch in the aftermath of those calm, cool, and collected discussions. Asides from my mother, my wife is the fiercest discusser I know.

Frankly, I'm glad this damn experiment is over. On to the results.
The Results

Well, well, well. Turns out that not only did the regular McDonald's burgers not rot, but the home-ground burgers did not rot either. Samples one through five had shrunk a bit (especially the beef patties), but they showed no signs of decomposition. What does this mean?

It means that there's nothing that strange about a McDonald's burger not rotting. Any burger of the same shape will act the same way. The real question is, why?

Well, here's another piece of evidence: Burger number 6, made with no salt, did not rot either, indicating that the salt level has nothing to do with it.

And then we get to the burgers that did show some signs of decay.

Take a look at both the homemade and the McDonald's Quarter Pounder patties:


Very interesting indeed. Sure, there's a slight difference in the actual amount of mold grown, and the homemade patty on the right seems to have shrunk more than the actual Quarter Pounder on the left (I blame that mostly on the way the patties were formed), but on the whole, the results are remarkably similar. That a Quarter Pounder grows mold but a regular-sized McDonald's burger doesn't is some pretty strong evidence in support of Theory 3 from above. Because of the larger size of a Quarter Pounder, it simply takes longer to dehydrate, giving mold more of a chance to grow.

We can prove this by examining the weight charts between the regular burger and the Quarter Pounder. Take a look:


This chart represents the amount of weight lost from the burgers through evaporation every day (both starting weights have been normalized to 1). As you can see, by the end of 2 weeks, both the regular burgers and the Quarter Pounders ended up losing about 31% of their total weight and are pretty much stable. They are essentially burger-jerky. A completely dehydrated product that will never rot, as without moisture, nothing can survive.

    93% of the moisture loss in a regular burger occurs within the first three days

Now the interesting part of the charts is during the first 4 days. As you can see, the blue line representing the regular burger dips down much more precipitously than the red line representing the Quarter Pounder. In fact, 93% of the moisture loss in a regular burger occurs within the first three days, which means that unless mold gets a chance to grow within that time frame, it's pretty much never going to grow.

The Quarter Pounder, on the other hand, takes a full 7 days to dehydrate to the same degree. It's during this extra three day period that the mold growth began to appear (and of course, once the burger had dehydrated sufficiently, the mold growth stopped—the burger looked the same on day 14 as they did on day 7). For the record, the Angus Third Pounder also showed a similar degree of mold growth in the same time frame.
So Can It Mold?

So we've pretty much cleared up all of the confusion, but a keen scientist will notice that one question remains to be answered. We've proven that neither a McDonald's burger nor a regular home-made burger will rot given certain specific conditions, but are there conditions we can create that will cause it to rot, and more importantly, will the McDonald's burger rot as fast as the homemade burger?

The final two burgers I tested were a McDonald's burger and a regular homemade burger of the same dimensions placed in plastic zipper-lock bags side by side. Hopefully the bag would trap in enough moisture. The question: Would they rot?



Indeed they do. Within a week, both burgers were nearly covered in little white spots of mold, eventually turning into the green and black spotted beast you see above.
The Conclusion

    how do you think beef jerky is made?

So there we have it! Pretty strong evidence in favor of Theory 3: the burger doesn't rot because it's small size and relatively large surface area help it to lose moisture very fast. Without moisture, there's no mold or bacterial growth. Of course, that the meat is pretty much sterile to begin with due to the high cooking temperature helps things along as well. It's not really surprising. Humans have known about this phenomenon for thousands of years. After all, how do you think beef jerky is made?

Now don't get me wrong—I don't have a dog in this fight either way. I really couldn't care less whether or not the McDonald's burger rotted or didn't. I don't often eat their burgers, and will continue to not often eat their burgers. My problem is not with McDonald's. My problem is with bad science.

For all of you McDonald's haters out there: Don't worry. There are still plenty of reasons to dislike the company! But for now, I hope you'll have it my way and put aside your beef with their beef.

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Re: I get tired of eating so much meat
« Reply #92 on: October 08, 2014, 04:51:31 PM »
mcdonald is process food loaded with chemicals and high levels of sodium it will wreck havoc on your body making you obese and increasing your risk of diabetes all the countries that american junk food franchises went to had an increase in obesity in the population, I am starting to figure out that you really dont know shit about nutrition.

Yes, it is better to eat unprocessed foods. But did you know that overeating is actually more dangerous than eating processed foods? Should I post links to studies? :) On caloric deficit diet based solely on McDonalds food lipids, blood pressure and overall health improved. Science, bitch.

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« Reply #93 on: October 08, 2014, 04:52:17 PM »
Var and the other guys remember this humans are unable to make food more anabolic than nature when they try the body has problems dealing with it and we become sick, the body was made to heal itself but we eat so much process garbage that we fucked up our bodies then we make drugs from the pharmacy with nasty effects that fuck us up even, more its a vicious cycle.

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Re: I get tired of eating so much meat
« Reply #94 on: October 08, 2014, 04:53:29 PM »
Yes, it is better to eat unprocessed foods. But did you know that overeating is actually more dangerous than eating processed foods? Should I post links to studies? :) On caloric deficit diet based solely on McDonalds food lipids, blood pressure and overall health improved. Science, bitch.
No its not.  Processed can be way more healthier and at times are due to added vitamin content and the fact that the food is preserved at the peak of freshness, thus containing the highest amount of nutrients and minerals.

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« Reply #95 on: October 08, 2014, 04:57:24 PM »
Var and the other guys remember this humans are unable to make food more anabolic than nature when they try the body has problems dealing with it and we become sick, the body was made to heal itself but we eat so much process garbage that we fucked up our bodies then we make drugs from the pharmacy with nasty effects that fuck us up even, more its a vicious cycle.

ok so tell me, if you're being seirous?

i DON'T eat processed garbage trainer

i generally  have an OK diet and eat 2-3 meals a day and at least two of them (i usually eat lunch out somethin OK) are home cooked. organic egg omelette in the AM with veggies and wheat toast and coffee... and lots of water.... for dinner chicken breasts i cook weekly marinated in a sauce i make with olive oil, balsamic vinagrette, chipotle pepper, an indian spice i forget the name of, and a little bit of soy sauce (it's delicous) and then i eat greens like broccoli which i cook weekly or salad and some brown rice.

so are you literally saying that we shouldn't be eating meat? just be serious for a moment if you're capable of it. if you're for real about this "gorilla diet" then tell me in straight words that you don't believe we need protein??

and as for "processed garbage" wouldn't you consider the supplements you shamelessly throw up in GIFS here aLL THE TIME as significantly worse (you put up a NANO VAPOR gif the other day...) than perhaps a subway turkey sandwich?

because i do.


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Re: I get tired of eating so much meat
« Reply #96 on: October 08, 2014, 04:59:05 PM »
No its not.  Processed can be way more healthier and at times are due to added vitamin content and the fact that the food is preserved at the peak of freshness, thus containing the highest amount of nutrients and minerals.

This is exactly what I meant. And I would add omega3-omega6 ratio, trans fats, aglutinine and other anti-nutrients, fiber intake, sodium-potassium ratio... These things matter to some extent when it comes to health. But they are go to shit when you overeat and become fat. This is first and most important aspect both healthwise and physique-wise and we can ALL agree on that, right?

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Re: I get tired of eating so much meat
« Reply #97 on: October 08, 2014, 05:00:02 PM »
ok so tell me, if you're being seirous?

i DON'T eat processed garbage trainer

i generally  have an OK diet and eat 2-3 meals a day and at least two of them (i usually eat lunch out somethin OK) are home cooked. organic egg omelette in the AM with veggies and wheat toast and coffee... and lots of water.... for dinner chicken breasts i cook weekly marinated in a sauce i make with olive oil, balsamic vinagrette, chipotle pepper, an indian spice i forget the name of, and a little bit of soy sauce (it's delicous) and then i eat greens like broccoli which i cook weekly or salad and some brown rice.

so are you literally saying that we shouldn't be eating meat? just be serious for a moment if you're capable of it. if you're for real about this "gorilla diet" then tell me in straight words that you don't believe we need protein??

and as for "processed garbage" wouldn't you consider the supplements you shamelessly throw up in GIFS here aLL THE TIME as significantly worse (you put up a NANO VAPOR gif the other day...) than perhaps a subway turkey sandwich?

because i do.


Everything I bolded is processed and you eat it.  Hope this helps.

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Re: I get tired of eating so much meat
« Reply #98 on: October 08, 2014, 05:05:45 PM »
Let me correct myself, it is late in here and I'm tired - I meant that these things matter first and foremost and most of the time raw foods have advantage in that aspect. But if you really want to eat healthy, just consuming "unprocessed" foods does not suffice. If you eat too much and become fat, it goes to shit. If you consume only olive oil as your fat source because "it is healthy" you consume way too much omega6... and it goes to shit. And it goes on and on.

"Eat unprocessed" is oversimplification but in my own experience it is way simpler to keep these variables in check when eating unprocessed foods. What I really wonder is how these variables really affect one's health.

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Re: I get tired of eating so much meat
« Reply #99 on: October 08, 2014, 05:06:26 PM »
ok so tell me, if you're being seirous?

i DON'T eat processed garbage trainer

i generally  have an OK diet and eat 2-3 meals a day and at least two of them (i usually eat lunch out somethin OK) are home cooked. organic egg omelette in the AM with veggies and wheat toast and coffee... and lots of water.... for dinner chicken breasts i cook weekly marinated in a sauce i make with olive oil, balsamic vinagrette, chipotle pepper, an indian spice i forget the name of, and a little bit of soy sauce (it's delicous) and then i eat greens like broccoli which i cook weekly or salad and some brown rice.

so are you literally saying that we shouldn't be eating meat? just be serious for a moment if you're capable of it. if you're for real about this "gorilla diet" then tell me in straight words that you don't believe we need protein??

and as for "processed garbage" wouldn't you consider the supplements you shamelessly throw up in GIFS here aLL THE TIME as significantly worse (you put up a NANO VAPOR gif the other day...) than perhaps a subway turkey sandwich?

because i do.



It would be better for you health wise if you cut out meat, I eat mostly fish and some meat every now and then though I know that a vegetarian diet is better, and remember you dont need meat to get protein, because I am a bodybuilder I will sometimes take stuff to build muscle and get energy although I know its not really good for me but I make up for that we a very organic diet and I also detox my body to get rid of toxins.