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Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
« Reply #75 on: October 22, 2014, 01:12:56 PM »
He will just take up hiking,biking or tennis which is what most ex-heavy users do.  Strange, but true.  Most heavy users I have ever known end up doing one of those three.

Basically  quitting an addiction for another one that produces enough dopamine and serotonin in the brain... Some addictions are healthier than others tho. But we all die in the end. And everything we do daily ultimately slowly degrade our bodies and kills us.

Hapiness is a chemical state of mind produced by a predictable and stable accumulation of easily attainable pleasures and satisfactions one can envision in his near and long term future.


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Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
« Reply #76 on: October 22, 2014, 01:14:21 PM »
I see you did some reading up on him. I cannot say why he refused medical treatment. Perhaps it was part of his teaching, like Jesus allowing himself to be crucified.

One needs the utmost wakefulness and luminosity to realize the Self, laziness is a hindrance on the path.
He did receive medical treatment for his cancer.   My question is why?

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Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
« Reply #77 on: October 22, 2014, 01:15:54 PM »
Basically  quitting an addiction for another one that produces enough dopamine and serotonin in the brain... Some addictions are healthier than others tho. But we all die in the end. And everything we do daily ultimately slowly degrade our bodies and kills us.

Hapiness is a chemical state of mind produced by a predictable and stable accumulation of easily attainable pleasures and satisfactions one can envision in his near and long term future.


You can`t sum up human behavior with a pyramid chart.  Thats just as stupid in my opinion.  Besides, that "hierarchy" is not science based at all.

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Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
« Reply #78 on: October 22, 2014, 01:16:22 PM »
He will just take up hiking,biking or tennis which is what most ex-heavy users do.  Strange, but true.  Most heavy users I have ever known end up doing one of those three.

I will keep up some weights, yoga, hiking. You sure do like portraying me in a sinful light. Funny how much a moral prick people can be even without religion.

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Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
« Reply #79 on: October 22, 2014, 01:17:09 PM »
You can`t sum up human behavior with a pyramid chart.  Thats just as stupid in my opinion.  Besides, that "hierarchy" is not science based at all.
maslov was a psychologist and psychologists in general have not the foggiest notion of what a brain is and how it works

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Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
« Reply #80 on: October 22, 2014, 01:18:14 PM »
He did receive medical treatment for his cancer.   My question is why?

your question is basically anything that can show him in a bad light. If he received treatment you would say he does not have faith in god to heal. If he doesn't you will laugh at his faith. Your a total fuckwit.

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Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
« Reply #81 on: October 22, 2014, 01:18:42 PM »
You want two real books on the matter.




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Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
« Reply #82 on: October 22, 2014, 01:20:10 PM »
maslov was a psychologist and psychologists in general have not the foggiest notion of what a brain is and how it works
High level psychologists work with neurologists on a daily basis and probably have a way deeper clue about how our brains work than you do tho. Brain thru the senses adapts to the environment in order to find ressources to insure the survival of the body that contains it, and has no other purpose, period.

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« Reply #83 on: October 22, 2014, 01:20:30 PM »
A better book to read.

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Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
« Reply #84 on: October 22, 2014, 01:22:13 PM »
He will just take up hiking,biking or tennis which is what most ex-heavy users do.  Strange, but true.  Most heavy users I have ever known end up doing one of those three.

weird. i wonder why that is? less impact on the body?
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Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
« Reply #85 on: October 22, 2014, 01:22:50 PM »
your question is basically anything that can show him in a bad light. If he received treatment you would say he does not have faith in god to heal. If he doesn't you will laugh at his faith. Your a total fuckwit.
Exactly the point.  You see the red herring here?  His faith, belief, nonsense "enlightenment".  Cancer doesn`t give a fuck about any of those things and he is powerless to stop it either way.  His sense of his "self" is completely useless and will not do anything other than delude his thoughts.

Only a fuckwit would think "faith" has any bearing on outcomes in situation.  Faith, the dogmatic belief for the sake of believing, no evidence needed.  ::)

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Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
« Reply #86 on: October 22, 2014, 01:23:22 PM »
I thought you were more evolved than this statement reveals. Ramana graced the lives of thousands of people and shared his love with all. Your putting family life on a godlike pedestal. Its not everyone's path. All beings were this mans family.

The foundation of a society begins and ends with the family.

With that said, I can still respect what he tried to do.
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Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
« Reply #87 on: October 22, 2014, 01:23:30 PM »
good post, thanks for the mature contribution. I was not doubting one cannot have a well built functional physique in the world and have a great deal of inner freedom and peace, it was more a question of would one trade it for the ultimate release if it was needed. We forget out bodies for the peace of sleep at night after all :)



dude. this is GB. hardly the place for mature contribution. but once in a whole a cool thread like this pops up.

I think to achieve that peace one needs to give up as Simon said ego. pride is one of my 3 huge peace killers. I'm a prideful person.

I dunno man. look at your life as you have it now. if you can have a great life w all the material comforts you have but still can find a state of peace and both exist mutually knowing that would you give it all up for total peace?

because you can. you know you can. all you gotta do is take step. hard to do tho eh?  :)
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Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
« Reply #88 on: October 22, 2014, 01:23:52 PM »
weird. i wonder why that is? less impact on the body?
I think its a way to rationalize their extreme muscle loss to be honest with you.

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Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
« Reply #89 on: October 22, 2014, 01:24:42 PM »
weird. i wonder why that is? less impact on the body?
these physical activities are known to produce the chemicals of the " recipe of hapiness" in the brain and replace the artificial production of said chemicals when using external hormones in the body. Any physical activity increases the production of dopamine and serotonin in the brain.
Simply put it's replacing a drug that produce endorphins by another.

http://healthyliving.azcentral.com/weightlifting-release-endorphins-4736.html
http://healthyliving.azcentral.com/exercise-release-chemical-brain-6801.html
http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/neuro/neuro05/web2/mmcgovern.html
http://www.webmd.com/depression/guide/exercise-depression

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Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
« Reply #90 on: October 22, 2014, 01:25:42 PM »
High level psychologysts work with neurologists and probably have a way deeper clue about how our brains work than you do tho. Brain thru the senses adapts to the environment in order to find ressources to insure the survival of the body that contains it, and has no other purpose, period.
Maslov is so outdated its laughable.  He is responsible for a lot of the common held myths that "everyone is equal" and other bullshit perpetuated by liberalists thinking everyone has equal ability and that there is no difference in race, gender etc...

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Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
« Reply #91 on: October 22, 2014, 01:27:48 PM »
Maslov is so outdated its laughable.  He is responsible for a lot of the common held myths that "everyone is equal" and other bullshit perpetuated by liberalists thinking everyone has equal ability and that there is no difference in race, gender etc...

We re all equal in the sense we re all animals  fighting for ressources and partners of reproduction, who prefer to dominate instead of being dominated, even if we have different skin colors or cultural backgrounds. Now, some animals are or become weaker than others and are eliminated by the selective process of evolution which sees the fittest/strongest survive.

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Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
« Reply #92 on: October 22, 2014, 01:28:23 PM »
dude. this is GB. hardly the place for mature contribution. but once in a whole a cool thread like this pops up.

I think to achieve that peace one needs to give up as Simon said ego. pride is one of my 3 huge peace killers. I'm a prideful person.

I dunno man. look at your life as you have it now. if you can have a great life w all the material comforts you have but still can find a state of peace and both exist mutually knowing that would you give it all up for total peace?

because you can. you know you can. all you gotta do is take step. hard to do tho eh?  :)
I am sure billions of people are just fine being prideful egomaniacs and that can contribute just as well to finding "peace".

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Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
« Reply #93 on: October 22, 2014, 01:28:29 PM »
Maslov is so outdated its laughable.  He is responsible for a lot of the common held myths that "everyone is equal" and other bullshit perpetuated by liberalists thinking everyone has equal ability and that there is no difference in race, gender etc...

TA knows we are not all equal

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Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
« Reply #94 on: October 22, 2014, 01:28:32 PM »
if it meant looking like this?

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He don't look very happy to me.   

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Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
« Reply #95 on: October 22, 2014, 01:30:34 PM »
He don't look very happy to me.   

would you expect Jesus to be hanging out with a cheesy American grin on his face? lol

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Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
« Reply #96 on: October 22, 2014, 01:33:07 PM »
"…a man never is happy, but spends his whole life in striving after something which he thinks will make him so; he seldom attains his goal, and when he does, it is only to be disappointed; he is mostly shipwrecked in the end, and comes into harbor with mast and rigging gone. And then, it is all one whether he has been happy or miserable; for his life was never anything more than a present moment always vanishing; and now it is over."

Arthur Schopenhauer

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Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
« Reply #97 on: October 22, 2014, 01:33:20 PM »
would you expect Jesus to be hanging out with a cheesy American grin on his face? lol

By the way when are You going to trade your "gains" for ultimate freedom, you clown?

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Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
« Reply #98 on: October 22, 2014, 01:36:23 PM »
We re all equal in the sense we re all animals  fighting for ressources and partners of reproduction, who prefer to dominate instead of being dominated, even if we have different skin colors or cultural backgrounds.
Not everyone fights for reproduction or resources or care to dominate.  Its no longer necessary.  Life results from the non-random survival of randomly varying replicators.

Our bodies are just the expression of various genes and its the genes that live onward, not the person or organism.  The genes are indifferent to the person or whatever vessel contains the genetic information.

Furthermore, we are not shackled to our genes.  We have control over them.  Just because you are born a certain way or have a certain problem, myopia for instance, does not mean you can`t change or fix it- in this case wearing eye glasses.

If we just let our genes do what they wish, why should we even bother trying to cure diseases, lessen the impact of genetic defects or wear eyeglasses or contacts?

There is a genetic component in almost everything but that does NOT mean you can`t reverse it or change it.  We are not beholden to our "selfish genes" in any way. Just as we can use technology to overcome genetic limitations, we can easily use forethought to choose not to have children. Furthermore, our cultural norms and values and vain desires can also dictate if we replicate. (this is the case for nearly ALL pregnancies)  Human civilization may not have made it this far had we behaved or solely acted according to or on our genetic desires.  

As Steven Pinker says on choosing to be childless-"I am happy to be that way, and if my genes don't like it, they can go jump in the lake."

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Re: Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?
« Reply #99 on: October 22, 2014, 01:40:19 PM »
By the way when are You going to trade your "gains" for ultimate freedom, you clown?