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PRESIDENT OBAMA'S AMAZING IMMIGRATION ACTION
« on: November 21, 2014, 09:04:07 AM »
YOu guys are killing your brains over the immigration issue.....Obama did the right thing......The people that he gave amnesty to WERE NEVER EVER GOING TO BE DEPORTED ANYWAY.....MANY OF THEM WORK..THEY HAVE CHILDREN WHO ARE ALREADY CITIZENS....THEY PAY TAXES...AND THEY ARE MOSTLY STABLE AND STAY OUT OF TROUBLE......

Why waste resources looking for them and deporting them?.....it makes no sense..better to focus on those who are a true danger.....ALSO...Obama did the right thing here because now ...ALL THOSE ILLEGALS WILL NOW HAVE TO REGISTER....NOW WE WILL KNOW WHERE THEY LIVE AND WHERE THEY WORK...whereas before they were living in the shadows and who knows where the hell they were or who they are, or what they were doing???

Finally, the big secret that Obama or no one else in giovernment wants to discuss is that THIS ACTION SAVES THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT A TON OF MONEY...it now costs an estimated $29,000 to deport ONE illegal.....thats money we cvan't aford....it would bankrupt the country.....

The Republicans and conservatives were stalling on this issue....they had time to try to repeal Obamacare 40 times but did not lift a finger to work on the immigration issue EVEN WITH A MAJORITY IN CONGRESS.....and the fact of the matter is...THE REPUBLICANS HAVE DONE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO SECURE THE BORDERS EITHER, EVEN WHEN THEY HAVE THE PRESIDENCY, YET THEY CRITICIZE OBAMA FOR NOT DOING IT

I think the government may not want to tell us that the border is UNSECURABLE..it can't be done...even with a wall, Mexicans and other will still find a way around it...the Mexicans have been coming across this border for thousands of years.....since parts of the U.S. USED TO BE MEXICO.....they know all the tricks.....they are not gonna stop no matter what...MORE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ARRESTED COMING ACROSS THE BORDER IN OBAMA'S PRESIDENCY THAN AT ANY TIME IN HISTORY EVEN THOUGH LESS ARE ACTUALLY COMING...and OBAMA HAS DEPORTED MORE ILLEGALS THAN ANY PRESIDENT EVER

BUT the Obama haters hate to conced any point which gives Obama credit for anything....thats the real problem.

GOOD JOB BY OBAMA

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« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2014, 09:08:38 AM »
YOu guys are killing your brains over the immigration issue.....Obama did the right thing......The people that he gave amnesty to WERE NEVER EVER GOING TO BE DEPORTED ANYWAY.....MANY OF THEM WORK..THEY HAVE CHILDREN WHO ARE ALREADY CITIZENS....THEY PAY TAXES...AND THEY ARE MOSTLY STABLE AND STAY OUT OF TROUBLE......

Why waste resources looking for them and deporting them?.....it makes no sense..better to focus on those who are a true danger.....ALSO...Obama did the right thing here because now ...ALL THOSE ILLEGALS WILL NOW HAVE TO REGISTER....NOW WE WILL KNOW WHERE THEY LIVE AND WHERE THEY WORK...whereas before they were living in the shadows and who knows where the hell they were or who they are, or what they were doing???

Finally, the big secret that Obama or no one else in giovernment wants to discuss is that THIS ACTION SAVES THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT A TON OF MONEY...it now costs an estimated $29,000 to deport ONE illegal.....thats money we cvan't aford....it would bankrupt the country.....

The Republicans and conservatives were stalling on this issue....they had time to try to repeal Obamacare 40 times but did not lift a finger to work on the immigration issue EVEN WITH A MAJORITY IN CONGRESS.....and the fact of the matter is...THE REPUBLICANS HAVE DONE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO SECURE THE BORDERS EITHER, EVEN WHEN THEY HAVE THE PRESIDENCY, YET THEY CRITICIZE OBAMA FOR NOT DOING IT

I think the government may not want to tell us that the border is UNSECURABLE..it can't be done...even with a wall, Mexicans and other will still find a way around it...the Mexicans have been coming across this border for thousands of years.....since parts of the U.S. USED TO BE MEXICO.....they know all the tricks.....they are not gonna stop no matter what...MORE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ARRESTED COMING ACROSS THE BORDER IN OBAMA'S PRESIDENCY THAN AT ANY TIME IN HISTORY EVEN THOUGH LESS ARE ACTUALLY COMING...and OBAMA HAS DEPORTED MORE ILLEGALS THAN ANY PRESIDENT EVER

BUT the Obama haters hate to conced any point which gives Obama credit for anything....thats the real problem.

GOOD JOB BY OBAMA

Shut the f.u.c.k up moron. You have no idea what this terrorist has caused. Seriously, just stfu.

Here's more of his destruction. But what do you care, he's black and thats all that matters, right?

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2556502

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« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2014, 09:11:27 AM »
Obama could put you back in chains and sent back to Africa and you would love it

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« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2014, 09:18:49 AM »
Shut the f.u.c.k up moron. You have no idea what this terrorist has caused. Seriously, just stfu.

Here's more of his destruction. But what do you care, he's black and thats all that matters, right?

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2556502

STFU is about what I expect from you and your feeble mind.......I know that intellectualism is too tough for you to handle

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« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2014, 09:19:32 AM »
They dont pay income taxes.  Most work low wage jobs and they wouldn't be paying any income taxes even if there was a paper trail.  They pay sales taxes but their children are also eligible for entitlement programs canceling out any tax they pay.  Immigration doesn't work in a welfare state especially a welfare state with birthright citizenship.


In 2009 (based on data collected in 2010), 57 percent of households headed by an immigrant (legal and illegal) with children (under 18) used at least one welfare program, compared to 39 percent for native households with children.

Immigrant households’ use of welfare tends to be much higher than natives for food assistance programs and Medicaid. Their use of cash and housing programs tends to be similar to native households.

A large share of the welfare used by immigrant households with children is received on behalf of their U.S.-born children, who are American citizens. But even households with children comprised entirely of immigrants (no U.S.-born children) still had a welfare use rate of 56 percent in 2009.

Immigrant households with children used welfare programs at consistently higher rates than natives, even before the current recession. In 2001, 50 percent of all immigrant households with children used at least one welfare program, compared to 32 percent for natives.

Households with children with the highest welfare use rates are those headed by immigrants from the Dominican Republic (82 percent), Mexico and Guatemala (75 percent), and Ecuador (70 percent). Those with the lowest use rates are from the United Kingdom (7 percent), India (19 percent), Canada (23 percent), and Korea (25 percent).

The states where immigrant households with children have the highest welfare use rates are Arizona (62 percent); Texas, California, and New York (61 percent); Pennsylvania (59 percent); Minnesota and Oregon (56 percent); and Colorado (55 percent).

We estimate that 52 percent of households with children headed by legal immigrants used at least one welfare program in 2009, compared to 71 percent for illegal immigrant households with children. Illegal immigrants generally receive benefits on behalf of their U.S.-born children.

Illegal immigrant households with children primarily use food assistance and Medicaid, making almost no use of cash or housing assistance. In contrast, legal immigrant households tend to have relatively high use rates for every type of program.

High welfare use by immigrant-headed households with children is partly explained by the low education level of many immigrants. Of households headed by an immigrant who has not graduated high school, 80 percent access the welfare system, compared to 25 percent for those headed by an immigrant who has at least a bachelor’s degree.

An unwillingness to work is not the reason immigrant welfare use is high. The vast majority (95 percent) of immigrant households with children had at least one worker in 2009. But their low education levels mean that more than half of these working immigrant households with children still accessed the welfare system during 2009.

If we exclude the primary refugee-sending countries, the share of immigrant households with children using at least one welfare program is still 57 percent.

Welfare use tends to be high for both new arrivals and established residents. In 2009, 60 percent of households with children headed by an immigrant who arrived in 2000 or later used at least one welfare program; for households headed by immigrants who arrived before 2000 it was 55 percent.

For all households (those with and without children), the use rates were 37 percent for households headed by immigrants and 22 percent for those headed by natives.

Although most new legal immigrants are barred from using some welfare for the first five years, this provision has only a modest impact on household use rates because most immigrants have been in the United States for longer than five years; the ban only applies to some programs; some states provide welfare to new immigrants with their own money; by becoming citizens immigrants become eligible for all welfare programs; and perhaps most importantly, the U.S.-born children of immigrants (including those born to illegal immigrants) are automatically awarded American citizenship and are therefore eligible for all welfare programs at birth.

The eight major welfare programs examined in this report are SSI (Supplemental Security Income for low income elderly and disabled), TANF (Temporary Assistance to Needy Families), WIC (Women, Infants, and Children food program), free/reduced school lunch, food stamps (Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program), Medicaid (health insurance for those with low incomes), public housing, and rent subsidies.

http://cis.org/immigrant-welfare-use-2011
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« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2014, 09:19:49 AM »
STFU is about what I expect from you and your feeble mind.......I know that intellectualism is too tough for you to handle

Blacks are the ones hurt most by illegals and you applaud this only cause its Obama - shame on you lemming

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« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2014, 09:20:40 AM »
Obama could put you back in chains and sent back to Africa and you would love it

He already has your mind in chains

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« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2014, 09:24:46 AM »
Blacks are the ones hurt most by illegals and you applaud this only cause its Obama - shame on you lemming

That's a fact right there. UE among blacks is something like 14-15%. Andre is so naive he doesn't realize that Obama screwed the black community over BIG TIME.

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« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2014, 09:28:21 AM »
They dont pay income taxes.  Most work low wage jobs and they wouldn't be paying any income taxes even if there was a paper trail.  They pay sales taxes but their children are also eligible for entitlement programs canceling out any tax they pay.  Immigration doesn't work in a welfare state especially a welfare state with birthright citizenship.


In 2009 (based on data collected in 2010), 57 percent of households headed by an immigrant (legal and illegal) with children (under 18) used at least one welfare program, compared to 39 percent for native households with children.

Immigrant households’ use of welfare tends to be much higher than natives for food assistance programs and Medicaid. Their use of cash and housing programs tends to be similar to native households.

A large share of the welfare used by immigrant households with children is received on behalf of their U.S.-born children, who are American citizens. But even households with children comprised entirely of immigrants (no U.S.-born children) still had a welfare use rate of 56 percent in 2009.

Immigrant households with children used welfare programs at consistently higher rates than natives, even before the current recession. In 2001, 50 percent of all immigrant households with children used at least one welfare program, compared to 32 percent for natives.

Households with children with the highest welfare use rates are those headed by immigrants from the Dominican Republic (82 percent), Mexico and Guatemala (75 percent), and Ecuador (70 percent). Those with the lowest use rates are from the United Kingdom (7 percent), India (19 percent), Canada (23 percent), and Korea (25 percent).

The states where immigrant households with children have the highest welfare use rates are Arizona (62 percent); Texas, California, and New York (61 percent); Pennsylvania (59 percent); Minnesota and Oregon (56 percent); and Colorado (55 percent).

We estimate that 52 percent of households with children headed by legal immigrants used at least one welfare program in 2009, compared to 71 percent for illegal immigrant households with children. Illegal immigrants generally receive benefits on behalf of their U.S.-born children.

Illegal immigrant households with children primarily use food assistance and Medicaid, making almost no use of cash or housing assistance. In contrast, legal immigrant households tend to have relatively high use rates for every type of program.

High welfare use by immigrant-headed households with children is partly explained by the low education level of many immigrants. Of households headed by an immigrant who has not graduated high school, 80 percent access the welfare system, compared to 25 percent for those headed by an immigrant who has at least a bachelor’s degree.

An unwillingness to work is not the reason immigrant welfare use is high. The vast majority (95 percent) of immigrant households with children had at least one worker in 2009. But their low education levels mean that more than half of these working immigrant households with children still accessed the welfare system during 2009.

If we exclude the primary refugee-sending countries, the share of immigrant households with children using at least one welfare program is still 57 percent.

Welfare use tends to be high for both new arrivals and established residents. In 2009, 60 percent of households with children headed by an immigrant who arrived in 2000 or later used at least one welfare program; for households headed by immigrants who arrived before 2000 it was 55 percent.

For all households (those with and without children), the use rates were 37 percent for households headed by immigrants and 22 percent for those headed by natives.

Although most new legal immigrants are barred from using some welfare for the first five years, this provision has only a modest impact on household use rates because most immigrants have been in the United States for longer than five years; the ban only applies to some programs; some states provide welfare to new immigrants with their own money; by becoming citizens immigrants become eligible for all welfare programs; and perhaps most importantly, the U.S.-born children of immigrants (including those born to illegal immigrants) are automatically awarded American citizenship and are therefore eligible for all welfare programs at birth.

The eight major welfare programs examined in this report are SSI (Supplemental Security Income for low income elderly and disabled), TANF (Temporary Assistance to Needy Families), WIC (Women, Infants, and Children food program), free/reduced school lunch, food stamps (Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program), Medicaid (health insurance for those with low incomes), public housing, and rent subsidies.

http://cis.org/immigrant-welfare-use-2011

even with low wage jobs they still pay taxes...if they are not paying taxes then its because they are working off the books..which is illegal and actually their having a job period is supposed to be illegal...however the Conservatives don't want that law enforced against businesses.....if that law was enforced the way its supposed to be, THERE WOULD PRACTICALLY BE NO MORE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION...... I do concede your point that some illegals and their children get some benefits such as medicaid and food stamps but stats consistently show that its still a win for the U.S, in terms of the money/taxes illegals pay out as opposed to the services they get....

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« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2014, 09:31:00 AM »
That's a fact right there. UE among blacks is something like 14-15%. Andre is so naive he doesn't realize that Obama screwed the black community over BIG TIME.

its really odd that you and 333386 always resort to race-based arguments instead of debating on the merits.... ???.....The jobs that illegals take are jobs that blacks nor anyone else tend to not want anyway

STOP DEFLECTING

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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2014, 09:33:32 AM »
even with low wage jobs they still pay taxes...if they are not paying taxes then its because they are working off the books..which is illegal and actually their having a job period is supposed to be illegal...however the Conservatives don't want that law enforced against businesses.....if that law was enforced the way its supposed to be, THERE WOULD PRACTICALLY BE NO MORE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION...... I do concede your point that some illegals and their children get some benefits such as medicaid and food stamps but stats consistently show that its still a win for the U.S, in terms of the money/taxes illegals pay out as opposed to the services they get....

They aren't paying income taxes because they are off the books.  Yes it's illegal but so is their very presence in the country. As long as birthright citizenship continues illegal immigration will be a problem.  Before the great society if you couldn't make it in he United States you returned to your country of origin.  The welfare state provides an incentive for illegals to stay. If they do work they get income tax free money and child care is subsidized.  Plumb deal for sure.
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« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2014, 09:33:55 AM »
even with low wage jobs they still pay taxes...if they are not paying taxes then its because they are working off the books..which is illegal and actually their having a job period is supposed to be illegal...however the Conservatives don't want that law enforced against businesses.....if that law was enforced the way its supposed to be, THERE WOULD PRACTICALLY BE NO MORE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION...... I do concede your point that some illegals and their children get some benefits such as medicaid and food stamps but stats consistently show that its still a win for the U.S, in terms of the money/taxes illegals pay out as opposed to the services they get....

Some will get benefits? Are you kidding? 5mil and I would bet more than 60-70% are on some kind of assistance. We're already paying for literal resorts that were especially built for them. Why don't you go cross any boarder in the world with out a visa and see what happens. As of right now, crime rates will skyrocket, communicable disease will increase, etc...shit, I don't know where to start.

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« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2014, 09:51:04 AM »
They aren't paying income taxes because they are off the books.  Yes it's illegal but so is their very presence in the country. As long as birthright citizenship continues illegal immigration will be a problem.  Before the great society if you couldn't make it in he United States you returned to your country of origin.  The welfare state provides an incentive for illegals to stay. If they do work they get income tax free money and child care is subsidized.  Plumb deal for sure.

Well I do think that as an illegal your child should not have birthright status.....I do agree that some illegals are using this to thier advantage.......but the law can't be changed because its a constitutional amendment....and no way are they gonna repeal it

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« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2014, 09:52:03 AM »
Well I do think that as an illegal your child should not have birthright status.....I do agree that some illegals are using this to thier advantage.......but the law can't be changed because its a constitutional amendment....and no way are they gonna repeal it


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« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2014, 09:52:48 AM »
Obama could put you back in chains and sent back to Africa and you would love it

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« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2014, 09:53:55 AM »
They aren't paying income taxes because they are off the books.  Yes it's illegal but so is their very presence in the country. As long as birthright citizenship continues illegal immigration will be a problem.  Before the great society if you couldn't make it in he United States you returned to your country of origin.  The welfare state provides an incentive for illegals to stay. If they do work they get income tax free money and child care is subsidized.  Plumb deal for sure.

Exactly.
andreisdawoman is an anti american traitor same as his beloved messiah.

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« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2014, 09:55:03 AM »
Some will get benefits? Are you kidding? 5mil and I would bet more than 60-70% are on some kind of assistance. We're already paying for literal resorts that were especially built for them. Why don't you go cross any boarder in the world with out a visa and see what happens. As of right now, crime rates will skyrocket, communicable disease will increase, etc...shit, I don't know where to start.

I agree with some of what you say in terms of the cost of housing illegals and their use of medicaid and stuff like that......but again, the people who Obama  is talking about are people we pass in the street everyday who have kids in school, are working, and stay out of trouble....the immigration serves are not gona find and deport them anyway......better to focus resources on the ones who cause mayhem

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« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2014, 09:57:13 AM »

I feel bad for you bro - sad what you have become

I was just thinking the same about you....before Obama was elected you actually had some good points and you and I mostly agreed on most topics.....unfortunately after his election you lost your mind......a pity

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« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2014, 10:00:48 AM »
Well I do think that as an illegal your child should not have birthright status.....I do agree that some illegals are using this to thier advantage.......but the law can't be changed because its a constitutional amendment....and no way are they gonna repeal it

You're right, birthright citizenship is not likely to be repealed.  I think its important to find a way to curb mass immigration.  It's not even a racial thing.  If they were all potato eaters from Ireland I would feel the same way.  We just don't need a large influx of immigrants especially immigrants who will ultimately be dependent on government services. It's just not wise business. 
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« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2014, 10:06:21 AM »
I was just thinking the same about you....before Obama was elected you actually had some good points and you and I mostly agreed on most topics.....unfortunately after his election you lost your mind......a pity

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« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2014, 10:37:47 AM »
Unfortunately, there are a lot of people andre all around the country who could care less about those pesky little things like the Constitution, separation of powers, integrity, the law, etc.  That is precisely why someone like Obama can do what he just did.  His people will just line up like good little sheep.  It's like he put a voodoo spell on them or something.  And he also knows the media will give him cover. 

We are so screwed.

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« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2014, 10:41:49 AM »
Unfortunately, there are a lot of people andre all around the country who could care less about those pesky little things like the Constitution, separation of powers, integrity, the law, etc.  That is precisely why someone like Obama can do what he just did.  His people will just line up like good little sheep.  It's like he put a voodoo spell on them or something.  And he also knows the media will give him cover. 

We are so screwed.

Still think your friends are so smart bro?   ;)

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« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2014, 10:42:26 AM »
Exactly.
andreisdawoman is an anti american traitor same as his beloved messiah.

Not anti american at all....I served in the army.....why would I want the nation to be torn down???....but we are broke as a country...17 to 18 trillion in debt...we have to use resources wisely.....and going after a bunch of people who are by and large not breaking the law or causing havoc is just a waste of money at this point and expensive...and don't let the republicans fol you....they have no answer either for this problem...all they do is ignore it and stick their head in the sand and talk about securing the borders...which is fine but what about those already here?...Obama is dealing with the reality as it is...not as we want it to be

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« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2014, 10:45:30 AM »
People who don't work and don't pay taxes could care less about the damage being done, to them its all about keeping the Dems in power, so they can keep their obamaphone, and have someone else pay the tab.




An exhaustive study by the Heritage Foundation has found that after amnesty, current unlawful immigrants would receive $9.4 trillion in government benefits and services and pay more than $3 trillion in taxes over their lifetimes. That leaves a net fiscal deficit (benefits minus taxes) of $6.3 trillion. That deficit would have to be financed by increasing the government debt or raising taxes on U.S. citizens.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/amnesty-for-illegal-immigrants-will-cost-america/2013/05/06/e5d19afc-b661-11e2-b94c-b684dda07add_story.html

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« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2014, 10:46:58 AM »
Still think your friends are so smart bro?   ;)

Of course.  Delusional and sometimes irrational when it comes to politics, but definitely smart.