Apartheid - is it time America?

[Bobby]

just noticed this

please fill us in on the details here because this particular example really interesting

tell me about haiti

Haiti

[Tapeworm]

Can't wait to live next door to you upstanding white folk.

[illuminati]

Haiti

I'm not that familiar with the Haitian history.
Is that video remotely accurate.

It seems to me this is similar to what is happening
In Some areas of America & Europe.

[andreisdaman]

well just take a look at Haiti. Blacks where left to rule themselves.

sigh....you spout off nonsense like you know what you're talking about and you know little of what actually happened....

First off blacks were not "left to rule themselves" in Haiti...blacks kicked the french whites out of Haiti after kicking their ass in a war......however the racial policies and legacies that the French left behind still caused divisions among the population due to the lighter skinned mulattoes (who had mixed with the French) wanting to rule over the darker skinned Haitians.....the fact is many nations of the world of that time were terified that Haiti was a self-governing nation and some nations did everything they could to try and sabotage Haiti's success and even contemplated invasion to overthrow the government.....you don't understand that racism is a mental illness that will continue to cause problems for everyone in society......

[andreisdaman]

Desperate for a comeback huh?

You do realize your own sentence is grammatically incorrect?       (no of course you don't)

This is GetBig.....no one here is writing essays.....you can tell when someone has no logical retort when they resort to calling out someone about their grammar

[illuminati]

sigh....you spout off nonsense like you know what you're talking about and you know little of what actually happened....

First off blacks were not "left to rule themselves" in Haiti...blacks kicked the french whites out of Haiti after kicking their ass in a war......however the racial policies and legacies that the French left behind still caused divisions among the population due to the lighter skinned mulattoes (who had mixed with the French) wanting to rule over the darker skinned Haitians.....the fact is many nations of the world of that time were terified that Haiti was a self-governing nation and some nations did everything they could to try and sabotage Haiti's success and even contemplated invasion to overthrow the government.....you don't understand that racism is a mental illness that will continue to cause problems for everyone in society......

Pls expand on your knowledge it is good to hear another side of the story.

Though I have to disagree with you on Racism being a 'mental illness'.
As it appears in all races / colours / creed of people I would say it is part & parcel of the human condition wether we like it or not.

[muscleman-2013]

This is GetBig.....no one here is writing essays.....you can tell when someone has no logical retort when they resort to calling out someone about their grammar

You do realize HE was the one calling me out on grammar.......

[andreisdaman]

You do realize HE was the one calling me out on grammar.......

if he did that then he is wrong as well

[Devon97]

sigh....you spout off nonsense like you know what you're talking about and you know little of what actually happened....

First off blacks were not "left to rule themselves" in Haiti...blacks kicked the french whites out of Haiti after kicking their ass in a war......however the racial policies and legacies that the French left behind still caused divisions among the population due to the lighter skinned mulattoes (who had mixed with the French) wanting to rule over the darker skinned Haitians.....the fact is many nations of the world of that time were terified that Haiti was a self-governing nation and some nations did everything they could to try and sabotage Haiti's success and even contemplated invasion to overthrow the government.....you don't understand that racism is a mental illness that will continue to cause problems for everyone in society......

Ahhh the victim narrative, still blaming negrow problems on whitey and slavery.

wash. rinse. repeat.

[mr.turbo]

I'm not that familiar with the Haitian history.
Is that video remotely accurate.

It seems to me this is similar to what is happening
In Some areas of America & Europe.

The narrator starts out explaining what he calls the "madness of democracy" as the sources of the worlds problems

at the end he claims no scholar or publisher would touch this material because it's pathologically racist and genocidal.

It's fairly honest but not accurate with the history.

[Griffith]

sigh....you spout off nonsense like you know what you're talking about and you know little of what actually happened....

First off blacks were not "left to rule themselves" in Haiti...blacks kicked the french whites out of Haiti after kicking their ass in a war......however the racial policies and legacies that the French left behind still caused divisions among the population due to the lighter skinned mulattoes (who had mixed with the French) wanting to rule over the darker skinned Haitians.....the fact is many nations of the world of that time were terified that Haiti was a self-governing nation and some nations did everything they could to try and sabotage Haiti's success and even contemplated invasion to overthrow the government.....you don't understand that racism is a mental illness that will continue to cause problems for everyone in society......

Are you blaming everyone else for their current problems?

It's several hundred years later now...

[mr.turbo]

sigh....you spout off nonsense like you know what you're talking about and you know little of what actually happened....

First off blacks were not "left to rule themselves" in Haiti...blacks kicked the french whites out of Haiti after kicking their ass in a war......however the racial policies and legacies that the French left behind still caused divisions among the population due to the lighter skinned mulattoes (who had mixed with the French) wanting to rule over the darker skinned Haitians.....the fact is many nations of the world of that time were terified that Haiti was a self-governing nation and some nations did everything they could to try and sabotage Haiti's success and even contemplated invasion to overthrow the government.....you don't understand that racism is a mental illness that will continue to cause problems for everyone in society......

the colonial legacy is in fact much nastier than this but the mythology of the "benevolent" slave masters persists.

yes can't wait to get more details of Haitis history!

[mr.turbo]

Are you blaming everyone else for their current problems?

It's several hundred years later now...

the US invaded the country and overthrew the government in 2004

oh yes and the reasons why are even more interesting!

[andreisdaman]

Ahhh the victim narrative, still blaming negrow problems on whitey and slavery.

wash. rinse. repeat.

Ahhhh...the "its not my fault" narrative...where a group who has systematically destroyed other groups of people through exploitation, genocide, the illegal seizure of lands, invasion, colonialism, segregation, discrimination, and the enactment of Jim Crow laws, deny they had any part in the problems said populations are experiencing due to extreme guilt over their inhumane treatment of others.........

wash, rinse, repeat....

[andreisdaman]

the colonial legacy is in fact much nastier than this but the mythology of the "benevolent" slave masters persists.

yes can't wait to get more details of Haitis history!

yes...agreed....colonial ism was much much worse than is currently thought

[mr.turbo]

yes...agreed....colonialism was much much worse than is currently thought

Well I'm open minded perhaps there is some new material that will better illuminate the situation here. 

yes fellas please share your findings on haiti so that we may examaine them!

[Griffith]

Ahhhh...the "its not my fault" narrative...where a group who has systematically destroyed other groups of people through exploitation, genocide, the illegal seizure of lands, invasion, colonialism, segregation, discrimination, and the enactment of Jim Crow laws, deny they had any part in the problems said populations are experiencing due to extreme guilt over their inhumane treatment of others.........

wash, rinse, repeat....

So it's everyone else's fault....

[obsidian]

...you don't understand that racism is a mental illness that will continue to cause problems for everyone in society......

Agreed. That's why blacks need to stop being racist. They're the most racist bigot race on the planet. Cease this behavior or we're gonna have ourselves a fucking problem - m'kay?!

[obsidian]

sigh....you spout off nonsense like you know what you're talking about and you know little of what actually happened....

First off blacks were not "left to rule themselves" in Haiti...blacks kicked the french whites out of Haiti after kicking their ass in a war......however the racial policies and legacies that the French left behind still caused divisions among the population due to the lighter skinned mulattoes (who had mixed with the French) wanting to rule over the darker skinned Haitians.....the fact is many nations of the world of that time were terified that Haiti was a self-governing nation and some nations did everything they could to try and sabotage Haiti's success and even contemplated invasion to overthrow the government.....you don't understand that racism is a mental illness that will continue to cause problems for everyone in society......

You forgot to add a little detail. The darkies attacked, raped and murdered a few thousand of the remaining French at night when they were not suspecting foul play. They didn't just kick them out - they murdered, mutilated and raped them. And it was not a fair fight because they were caught off guard.

Those darkies really should not be on the Island. The real victims are the Taino people.

I'd like to see the Africans in Haiti disappear and the Taino People return. The Africans can go back to Africa or just stop breeding and die off. The whole world will be better off as a result.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ta%C3%ADno

[andreisdaman]

You forgot to add a little detail. The darkies attacked, raped and murdered a few thousand of the remaining French at night when they were not suspecting foul play. They didn't just kick them out - they murdered, mutilated and raped them. And it was not a fair fight because they were caught off guard.

Those darkies really should not be on the Island. The real victims are the Taino people.

I'd like to see the Africans in Haiti disappear and the Taino People return. The Africans can go back to Africa or just stop breeding and die off. The whole world will be better off as a result.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ta%C3%ADno

Dude I can't believe you used wikipedia as a source......talk about being totally un-academic....but anyway how do you argue with someone who would post what you posted....lets just agree to disagree

[andreisdaman]

So it's everyone else's fault....

no one said that...your assuming

[muscleman-2013]

Dude I can't believe you used wikipedia as a source......talk about being totally un-academic....

Yeah we can tell you only refer to the finest books in academia 


If it wasn't for dose evil white men Africans would have colonized space by now 

[andreisdaman]

Yeah we can tell you only refer to the finest books in academia 


If it wasn't for dose evil white men Africans would have colonized space by now 

 

[obsidian]

Dude I can't believe you used wikipedia as a source......talk about being totally un-academic....but anyway how do you argue with someone who would post what you posted....lets just agree to disagree

Have you ever looked at the bottom of Wikipedia pages? They list their sources.

Where are your sources?

It's a fact those Africans were brought to Haiti by boat - that's not their original land. Are you going to argue that or what exactly do you not agree with?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1804_Haiti_Massacre


A 1806 engraving of Jean-Jacques Dessalines. It depicts the general, sword raised in one arm, while the other holds a severed head of a white woman.

[mr.turbo]

Have you ever looked at the bottom of Wikipedia pages? They list their sources.

Where are your sources?

It's a fact those Africans were brought to Haiti by boat - that's not their original land. Are you going to argue that or what exactly do you not agree with?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1804_Haiti_Massacre


A 1806 engraving of Jean-Jacques Dessalines. It depicts the general, sword raised in one arm, while the other holds a severed head of a white woman.

yes mr.obsidian thanks for your contributions to this discussion

perhaps you could elaborate on the just how the darkies were invited to this wonderful island in the sun?

Pretty nice of those spaniards to offer them a free boat ride!