I find the first part of your post ridiculous. It's like you're asking me if I have a memo or press conference video of the police commissioner saying "Here are the details of our hidden agenda."
How is it ridiculous?
this is what you said:
"This is
allegedly a program to get guns off of NY streets."
That statement suggests you think this wasn't a program to get guns off the street.
That's why I made the ridiculous statement. Because you, Al are the one that made the ridiculous suggestion.
And why try to dismiss it as just a "stupid program"? It affects peoples lives, futures, families and livelihood.
Its stupid program because it didn't work, and I suspect more of a political appeasement to voters to show he was doing something about gun violence.
Overpolicing of certain minority groups. THAT was what I said. That is what the program accomplishes. And it is by design. The ethnic breakdown is intentional and the numbers don't justify the overbroad tactics.
The precincts targeted were mostly populated by Black/Latinos, Except 120 and 70. My question would be be: Are the crime rates high in those areas as compared to surrounding areas? If so, doesn't that justify targeting those areas?
The disparity between total stops among ethnicities and arrests and convictions speaks for itself. Just as the disparity between national drug use rates among ethnicities and incarceration rates speaks for itself.
Drugs is one thing, violence is another. My original inquiry wasn't based on drugs. You brought it into this. However, i suspect much of the violence comes from poverty and drugs, and the FACT that white drug use isn't significantly higher, but in fact more even, doesn't support that argument that the police are focusing on the wrong race. And you do think this because you said this:
"* Far and away, most black men who are incarcerated are behind bars on a drug charge. Drug incarceration rates and sentences are ridiculous across races. Since 1985, thanks to the war on drugs incarceration levels for drug offenders have swelled from 41,000 to over half a million. Arrest of blacks have Even though drug charges are ludicrous across races,
they disproportionately affect poor and minorities. Multiple studies, some commissioned by government agencies,
have concluded that whites are more likely to sell drugs and use drugs (by percentage, not sheer number) but blacks are exponentially more likely to face legal penalties. "
I'm also not sure why you would feel the need to post a response without looking at the link or adding any substantive observation
I was in the airport, didn't really have time to read through it. But what struck me was your suggestion of a hidden agenda by using the word "alleged" and then now you called my statement about it ridiculous when in fact you are the one who suggested a hidden agenda. Funny. Should I eye roll here?
You have appeared to be attempting to call me out for "evading" your posts
No, you were slow to respond to them and they got buried. So i re-posted and bumped. If i wanted to call you out for dodging me, which you are not, i would be very direct about it.
yet the reason I have not been eager to respond to your posts is the lack of compelling argument/discourse you have provided. You spent several posts harping on whether or not whites use drugs at a higher rate than blacks or at the same rate,
That's because its untrue and was used by YOU as part of your argument. If part of your argument doesn't make sense or is untrue i will not accept it. If your argument is valid it shouldn't have to rely on a false assumption or mislead fact to make its point.
but have yet to offer any observations about the indisputable disparity in incarceration rates.
So far, i haven't seen an unjustified pattern that indicates over policing. Not to say that there isn't one. You just haven't shown it yet.
And now, clicking on a link that you requested is too much of a hassle, yet you still post a response. You've reposted that one quote how many times? Yet when I do take the time to respond, your posts become even less substantive. If you have an observation or want to dispute the ACTUAL TOPIC in the form of conversation, then do so. I already said I'm not gonna write a term paper.
I am not asking you write a term paper. But i do ask you to take ownership of what you write:
1. Suggesting that black incarceration rates were on fair because of white use and sell more drugs by percentage
2. Suggesting that the program intentions had an hidden agenda.