1980 Olympia - CBS never released the footage

[Van_Bilderass]

I never commented on this topic but someone else put on a YT vid discussing the 1980 O and IMO judging that lineup would be hard. One thing that caught my ear was Mentzer saying something like he was 3.5% bf many weeks before the show and for sure under 3 at the show. Well he hardly looked it but said Arnold wasn't conditioned at all relatively. I didn't really see that either. He was conditioned by the day's standards IMO. I'm guessing Mentzer's diet was way suboptimal, it does matter too. What he said about how he ate sounded crappy. I do think he could have eaten plenty more protein but I guess he was following his reading of the day's "science."

[MAXX]

Side by side

[MAXX]

compare quad by quad, calf by calf, arm by arm, and the rest. I think from the front the winner is obvious.

[Rmj11]

compare quad by quad, calf by calf, arm by arm, and the rest. I think from the front the winner is obvious.

Yeah it's Arnold. Glad you agree.

[Eric2]

Side by side

Much as I dislike Arnold.
This photo is shopped. Please refer to the original photos regarding true size comparison.
This photo which many of the Mentzer ball huggers use has enlarged mike by at leastn15% in overall height as well as thickness.
The true photo overlays that have not been shopped show Arnold absolutley dwarfing Mike.
Ps Arnold is a douche asshole, but he still beat Menthole

[Eric2]

[MAXX]

Much as I dislike Arnold.
This photo is shopped. Please refer to the original photos regarding true size comparison.
This photo which many of the Mentzer ball huggers use has enlarged mike by at leastn15% in overall height as well as thickness.
The true photo overlays that have not been shopped show Arnold absolutley dwarfing Mike.
Ps Arnold is a douche asshole, but he still beat Menthole

I cant find the higher quality pic now but its simply from this lineup pic with them cut out and moved together. You can try the same for yourself. None of them scaled bigger or smaller. The only thing could be if they took the photo from a perspective where right side is closer. But the same goes for video you posted. I guess you can measure true scale of their heights compared to the pics.

https://www.reddit.com/r/bodybuilding/comments/4gi0ul/the_most_controversial_olympia_in_the_history_of/

[Humble Narcissist]

I never commented on this topic but someone else put on a YT vid discussing the 1980 O and IMO judging that lineup would be hard. One thing that caught my ear was Mentzer saying something like he was 3.5% bf many weeks before the show and for sure under 3 at the show. Well he hardly looked it but said Arnold wasn't conditioned at all relatively. I didn't really see that either. He was conditioned by the day's standards IMO. I'm guessing Mentzer's diet was way suboptimal, it does matter too. What he said about how he ate sounded crappy. I do think he could have eaten plenty more protein but I guess he was following his reading of the day's "science."

Why would anyone want to hold 3.5% bodyfat ( a bullshit claim anyway) for weeks before a show?

[beakdoctor]

Why would anyone want to hold 3.5% bodyfat ( a bullshit claim anyway) for weeks before a show?

Mentzer’s 'a calorie is a calorie ' bullshit. Claimed he ate chocolate bars, Toblerone I believe,  for nutritional needs.

[Royalty]

compare quad by quad, calf by calf, arm by arm, and the rest. I think from the front the winner is obvious.

Dear God


Mentzer easily wins! (Samir was right)

[beakdoctor]

Dear God


Mentzer easily wins! (Samir was right)

Is Maxx your gimmick?

Even in the cherry picked picture you use Arnold arm is the size of Mike Manlets torso and his chest is easily twice as thick. But on your gimmick account "arm for arm, body part for body part."

Royalty,  a life of denial has allowed you to lie to yourself about ANYTHING even when it makes you look like you have no clue what you're talking about. FFS.

"Its no contest"... yeah, that's why it's been argued about nonstop for 45 years. But you and your gimmick know better. WTF.

[Van_Bilderass]

Why would anyone want to hold 3.5% bodyfat ( a bullshit claim anyway) for weeks before a show?

Well, if the goal is as low a percentage as possible it may be necessary. You can never be too hard imo.

[MAXX]

Is Maxx your gimmick?

Even in the cherry picked picture you use Arnold arm is the size of Mike Manlets torso and his chest is easily twice as thick. But on your gimmick account "arm for arm, body part for body part."

Royalty,  a life of denial has allowed you to lie to yourself about ANYTHING even when it makes you look like you have no clue what you're talking about. FFS.

"Its no contest"... yeah, that's why it's been argued about nonstop for 45 years. But you and your gimmick know better. WTF.

That's funny Royalty accused me of being someones gimmic a while ago  Maybe go outside more and not get too riled up taking things personally  on here aruging about bodybuilders just a thought

[Humble Narcissist]

Well, if the goal is as low a percentage as possible it may be necessary. You can never be too hard imo.

For the contest but not for weeks leading up to it.

[beakdoctor]

That's funny Royalty accused me of being someones gimmic a while ago  Maybe go outside more and not get too riled up taking things personally  on here aruging about bodybuilders just a thought

Sure. That's great advice from a guy who's been leaving me snyde comments because I made fun of Tom Platz once. Clutch my pearls! Not the esteemed Quadfather. Oh my. He's never done anything cringe worthy in his life!

(I mean this IS getbig, bodybuilders have literally been run of this site for 2 decades but I make 1 or 2 comments and the heads of the Mike mentzer and Tom platz fanclubs want my head on a plate)

You don't know me well enough (at all) to make assumptions about how much I get out, or online, or how 'personally I take things, Mr.I-dont-argue-about-bodybuilders-except-for-his-eminence-the-quadfather. Ok. 

Don't be so fucken sophmoric and hypocritical with your 'advices.' Or, better yet, just keep them for yourself.

[MAXX]

Sure. That's great advice from a guy who's been leaving me snyde comments because I made fun of Tom Platz once. Clutch my pearls! Not the esteemed Quadfather. Oh my. He's never done anything cringe worthy in his life!

(I mean this IS getbig, bodybuilders have literally been run of this site for 2 decades but I make 1 or 2 comments and the heads of the Mike mentzer and Tom platz fanclubs want my head on a plate)

You don't know me well enough (at all) to make assumptions about how much I get out, or online, or how 'personally I take things, Mr.I-dont-argue-about-bodybuilders-except-for-his-eminence-the-quadfather. Ok. 

Don't be so fucken sophmoric and hypocritical with your 'advices.' Or, better yet, just keep them for yourself.

Meltdown...

[Vince B]

Before their death a video of them talking while Mike taking a smoke break, a random girl walks by and Ray says “I can’t get any girls”

Both died with no kids or wife, alone

..... all while Mike and Ray were living in an apt in a seedy area in LA

Not true. Ray had a daughter, Dagny, with Cathy. He later married Pam who I introduced him to in Sydney. I stayed at their place in Torrance in 1991. They eventually divorced. Dagny is about 40 and has 3 children. Her mom made her change her name. Ray never had any trouble getting women. Remember his girlfriend was Rachel McLish.

[Humble Narcissist]

^^^ Anybody who could pull McLish was a stud.

[beakdoctor]

Meltdown...

If all you have are inane and tired tropes such as 'get offline' and 'meltdown', -that have only been said a billion times 'by every other dullard 'online' who has nothing better to say,-then, again, keep them to yourself,

[Royalty]

I give Arnold a slight edge over Shaggy

[beakdoctor]

I give Arnold a slight edge over Shaggy

Nice self portrait.

[wes]

^^^ Anybody who could pull McLish was a stud.

Why thank you. 

[Humble Narcissist]

Why thank you. 

You dated Rachel McLish?

[wes]

You dated Rachel McLish?

That`s common knowledge bro.....where ya` been under a freaking rock or something?

[Humble Narcissist]

That`s common knowledge bro.....where ya` been under a freaking rock or something?

I just crawled out from under one today evidently. Kudos to you man! Was she she crazy as a shithouse rat? Most hot chicks are.