Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)

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Oh Looky here,
A white Lifetime Natural with bigger arms than a currently loaded drugged Ronnie Coleman.  

Not trolling, but how do you know that these guys are "Lifetime Naturals?"

[The True Adonis]

Not trolling, but how do you know that these guys are "Lifetime Naturals?"

[The True Adonis]

Lmao @ natty.

That's EQ or Oxandrolone or Pro-Hormones right there.

6 feet 160s lean is difficult and unobtainable for some most definitely. 

[The True Adonis]

[The True Adonis]

Zach Zeiler does not and has never benched 315.  Not even 285.

His squat is around 285 now that he stopped with the heel blocks.

[The True Adonis]

[The True Adonis]

[The True Adonis]

Its not about weight or height, its about body composition.

You can be 160lb with 145 LBM and loot great
You can be 160lb with 100 LBM and look like sack of shit.

You can tell clearly by the shoulders and how full the muscle bellies are the dude is ON.
One million percent not even 1% doubt in my mind.

Ever single pic u posted and every vid, not one actual real natty builder there.

Just the truth

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I agree.  With all the drugs you are on, I don`t think you could be 160 lbs in single digit bodyfat honestly.

[ritch]

complete twink with shirt on.
Perfect fit this cock muncher is for generation nothingness. Had to stop it at 1:21 mark. I'm floored people send him questions, wow...

[The True Adonis]

complete twink with shirt on.

Who cares?  Is the goal to look like a fat shit with a shirt on like most roiders do?

Look how jealous roider Joon and roider AJ are.  They can`t even get their mind around it.

[The True Adonis]

At 160lb natty I would be around 7-8% like I was few summers ago. That doesn't mean I would hold as much LBM as the dude in the video for the simple fact that he dieted down on cycle or pro-hormones.

You can tell by the arms in the video, wayyyyy to full and big for a natty, he should be having like 13.5-14 inch arms MAX at that weight and noway that full or hard.

If I had to guess id say he is running anavar only cycle, don't think he is on test.

Bullshit.  You can`t even be 160 lbs single digits with roids.  Stop with the nonsense.  You have never been 160 lbs single digits.  I don`t think you have ever tried to get to single digits for one.

[ritch]

Who cares?  Is the goal to look like a fat shit with a shirt on like most roiders do?

Look how jealous roider Joon and roider AJ are.  They can`t even get their mind around it.

Don't wanna sound cocky but I'm not most roiders. I keep rather low body fat year round, but my gear use is modereate. I don't like the big gut either. But it's not the roids that make most the guys you see have big stomachs. It's the food. They become permabulkers and never lose that fat. Anybody over 20lbs from being respectably lean, honestly, never really gets lean..

They look like hell, I agree. But used properly as I do, I'm very sharp at 220, 6 feet tall. Not the biggest or baddest mother fucker but still stand out enough and don't look like a juice head as they head I have is smart enough to play my cards wisely.

[Mr Anabolic]

 

= ZERO muscle growth.

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Look how jealous roider Joon and roider AJ are.  They can`t even get their mind around it.

Not so much "jealous" as "curious".

You seem to relish parroting claims of "natural" with no proof whatsoever, so I would say that your objectivity is equally in doubt.

[The True Adonis]

= ZERO muscle growth.

Better legs and aesthetics than you have I am sure.

[Mr Anabolic]

Better legs and aesthetics than you have I am sure.

Huh? - He's a little boy.  I repped that weight long before he was born.

[The True Adonis]

Lmao, think what you want dude, I was 7% BF natty at around 155 two summers ago, I was skinny ripped had 30 inch waist and felt like death.

Every single aspect of my life suffered, from hair loss, to constant fatigue, to not being able to get a hardon to just wanting to sleep all day....I was doing keto and severely carb restricting.

Strength? What strength, haha, I was struggling to curl 8 kilo dumbbells....for what? Just to be skinny ripped twink who disappeared in clothes???
All to get some compliments in the gym for like whole of 45 minutes while rest of my life suffered....fuck that.

What's the point to look good if u can't even fuck.

Your body shuts down your reproductive system and everything else, its a pointless existence unless you are competing.

I would rather be 200lb @12% anyday than 160lb twin at 7%

There is not such thing as "natural bodybuilding".....just bunch of delusionites buying lies from fake natties.

I don`t believe you.  You wouldn`t have this much trouble and struggle getting lean if that were the case, especially now that you are on a boat load of drugs.

Sorry, it just does not add up at all.  I would like to see you get lean, but with your inability to focus and stick to a goal and a plan, it just ain't gonna happen.

[The True Adonis]

Huh? - He's a little boy.  I repped that weight long before he was born.

Who gives a shit what you repped.  Your bench might be better, but his chest looks better.  Curl more?  You might be able to, but his arms are much better than yours.  Oh well, you get the point.

[The True Adonis]

lol, id crush his legs without even trying.

I doubt that.

[The True Adonis]

Come back to me when your boy can squat 400 for 8. 
I am "Mr Legs"!

I have done that and my legs aren`t as good as Zach's in my opinion.

[Grape Ape]

complete twink with shirt on.

At your age, if you're still concerned about how big you look with a shirt on, there's issues there.

[ritch]

At your age, if you're still concerned about how big you look with a shirt on, there's issues there.

what's wrong with wanting to fill out an xl shirt. Me wanting to lift goes way beyond trying to impress chicks and shit. Those who lose their size, often did so for that, got what they wanted, then quit.

This is pure loser talk from you.

[The True Adonis]

Strength don't mean shit in aesthetics anyway how many powerlifters u know who's have massive legs yet do they "look good"?

Mine are big and look good but I hate them anyway, hate big legs, wish they were smaller.

Throws off symmetry on my upper body, hardly ever train legs and when I do I don't even go heavy.

Fuck that shit.

I agree with that which is why naturals have much better legs than juicers in my opinion.  They are smaller in size and better scaled.  Juicers have ugly legs.

[Bevo]

Don't wanna sound cocky but I'm not most roiders. I keep rather low body fat year round, but my gear use is modereate. I don't like the big gut either. But it's not the roids that make most the guys you see have big stomachs. It's the food. They become permabulkers and never lose that fat. Anybody over 20lbs from being respectably lean, honestly, never really gets lean..

They look like hell, I agree. But used properly as I do, I'm very sharp at 220, 6 feet tall. Not the biggest or baddest mother fucker but still stand out enough and don't look like a juice head as they head I have is smart enough to play my cards wisely.

It's not just food, it's a combo of food and insulin

[Mawse]

I know a young guy who took close to two grams precontest to compete at the same weight as that Lifetime Natural fella

I believe absolutely no one when it comes to protestations of Lifetime
Nattiness, sadly.