Tried all of the nutritional ones. No dice for me.
Which drugs? Anti-E's? Clomid? Pro-hormones?
No the nutritional ones and even the drugs are never going to get your test levels back to what they were. My comment was that there are ways to address the "issues" caused by low test, ie low sex drive, increase potential for osteoporosis, muscle loss, not necessarily address the low test itself. There is not much you can do to raise very low test levels, things like zinc, de-alcholised red wine, etc can have some effects but those are minimal.
Getting sufficient sunlight exposure to produce melanin which in turn will increase your libido, using cialis can allow for more frequent sex which in turn can increase your own testestone levels. Vitamin D,K, Calcium for bone density. All these things are a crutch, but will never compete with TRT.
My point was by taking TRT you set yourself up for other issues such as myocardial fibrosis, oedema, enlarged LVH, reduced/iiregular cardiac conductivity, so the issue is which path are you willing to choose.
Do you take the TRT and live with the long term cardiac sides and the increased potential for sudden cardiac death or do you live with the effects of low test levels, and try to make the best of the situation via supplements, and other less harmful drugs?
