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Re: I love you guys....(no homo)!
« Reply #150 on: March 07, 2015, 10:10:49 PM »
Prime what has she said about this part


Well, it has only been a little more than a day since we blew up over this very issue. Tonight she volunteered what her blood sugar was an how she handled it. This is real progress for both of us. She is willing to take some responsibility for her well being and I have backed off on being so controlling.

We had some really meaningful discussions about where each of us are tonight. She's worried about my being depressed and I am worried about the same for her. I have a lot of issues which aren't helping our situation any. I think we had a really good conversation tonight. I wish I could say that we've got it all figured out, but that would be a lie. Bottom line is that we will continue to take life one day at a time because there really is no other choice.

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« Reply #151 on: March 09, 2015, 12:03:16 PM »
must be hard to progressively lose control and pleasure in most activities and what life has to offer; no more taste, no more sex, no more physical activity, no more tv, no more reading, no more eating until you simply cant enjoy anything anymore and are even rejected by your so called loved ones.
We earn everything progressively only to progressively lose it all. Some lose them faster than others tho.

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« Reply #152 on: March 09, 2015, 01:04:19 PM »
Well, it has only been a little more than a day since we blew up over this very issue. Tonight she volunteered what her blood sugar was an how she handled it. This is real progress for both of us. She is willing to take some responsibility for her well being and I have backed off on being so controlling.

We had some really meaningful discussions about where each of us are tonight. She's worried about my being depressed and I am worried about the same for her. I have a lot of issues which aren't helping our situation any. I think we had a really good conversation tonight. I wish I could say that we've got it all figured out, but that would be a lie. Bottom line is that we will continue to take life one day at a time because there really is no other choice.

in what way had you been exercising control in the situation?

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« Reply #153 on: March 09, 2015, 06:26:08 PM »
 If people werent paid to "take care" of others, they simply wouldnt.

people have to make a living somehow, how would the workers "survive" if they didn't do it for money?

most of them don't get paid much anyways, i've heard of social workers making less than 20 grand a year

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« Reply #154 on: March 09, 2015, 10:00:25 PM »
in what way had you been exercising control in the situation?

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Sometimes we are controlling because we know we are the ones in control. It is hard to explain.




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« Reply #155 on: March 09, 2015, 10:11:11 PM »
Sometimes we are controlling because we know we are the ones in control. It is hard to explain.


If there are issues over whether certain steps have been taken per the doctor's instructions, wouldn't that show that you didn't have control over the situation?

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« Reply #156 on: March 09, 2015, 10:26:08 PM »
If there are issues over whether certain steps have been taken per the doctor's instructions, wouldn't that show that you didn't have control over the situation?

If my wife wants to be in control of her own life, I am going to let her do that. If she doesn't follow doctor's advice, that is her choice. She's not senile. If she wants or needs my help, she can ask for it.

She is on dialysis on a treatment by treatment basis. She can decide she wants to stop at any point and we will honor her wishes even though it likely means she will die within weeks. She didn't want to do dialysis at all but finally agreed to give it a try.


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« Reply #157 on: March 09, 2015, 10:30:11 PM »
If my wife wants to be in control of her own life, I am going to let her do that. If she doesn't follow doctor's advice, that is her choice. She's not senile. If she wants or needs my help, she can ask for it.

She is on dialysis on a treatment by treatment basis. She can decide she wants to stop at any point and we will honor her wishes even though it likely means she will die within weeks. She didn't want to do dialysis at all but finally agreed to give it a try.



Why would she make that choice?

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« Reply #158 on: March 10, 2015, 02:29:01 AM »
Why would she make that choice?














It is a common occurrence with people how have long term illness
& medication.
I have a similar problem with my youngest son,
consultant says its psychosomatic symptom with him.
Very tough to deal with day in day out.
Especially as it could be life threatening.

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« Reply #159 on: March 10, 2015, 05:05:35 AM »
Its a sad world when we choose not to keep learning
Learning=life improvement =more creative life paths
Start making more pathways prime
More things to do=more reasons for living
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« Reply #160 on: March 10, 2015, 06:04:37 AM »
Its a sad world when we choose not to keep learning
Learning=life improvement =more creative life paths
Start making more pathways prime
More things to do=more reasons for living

this is good advice

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« Reply #161 on: March 10, 2015, 08:42:50 AM »
this is good advice

it actually is to be fair 28k posts

he was due a good one
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« Reply #162 on: March 10, 2015, 08:58:30 AM »
Why would she make that choice?

She probably wants to die, but is prevented to do so by people who keep her alive against her will. Probably talked about it to prime. But prime is duplicit about it, he obviously simultaenously wants her to die as she s only a pain in the ass for him, but cant say it either, which creates this highly toxic, unhealthy situation. Fact is, life is brutally cold, for one lifeform to survive, it often has to abandon another one. Natural selection. "love" ? ... well it always become exposed for what it is at some point in any relationship. An illusion at best, a joke at worst.

 In the end she deteriorates both physically and psychologically and is just a number for doctors. Nobody really cares about her but those who have to stay with her until she finally die. Everyone else is too busy focusing on surviving daily to care about someone who s already in her final days. At this stage most people give up because they realize nobody really care about them as they dont have anything anymore to produce, bring to others. They let themselves die. People only care about you if they have interests in doing so, if you give them something in return. Being old, not working, slowly abandonned by your loved ones, having some money, not being able to provide sex or anything in return, you re pretty much useless and as a result drugged until you pass away.

This is why euthanasia will become an increasingly important matter in the next decade, especially in the dying west, white occidental world. The problem with euthanasia, is that doctors and big pharma make more money keeping people alive against their will in various institutions, force feeding them with drugs -which kill them, but slowly- so they ll pretty much fight against it.

This is why suicide exists; when you know there s only pain and suffering waiting for you, but everyone wants to keep you alive -while wishing you could just go so they can inherit your shit or simply release themselves from your suffering- because they have -financial- interests in doing so.

The real mechanics of "life" are really twisted, far from the bullshits stories adults feed their kids with. Growing up is just realizing how cynical and vain animals we "humans" truly are.



I remember this old woman who had a dying very old dog. Dog wasnt able to do shit anymore but curl and sleep at her feets, didnt want to eat anymore. She forced it to eat, went to a veterinary. She pretended to love the poor animal, but she was just forcing it to stay alive while it was suffering 24/7. She didnt do it for the dog, but for herself, cause she didnt want to be alone.  Eventually dog got euthanazed, and she bought a new dog.

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Re: I love you guys....(no homo)!
« Reply #163 on: March 10, 2015, 09:15:08 AM »
She probably wants to die, but is prevented to do so by people who keep her alive against her will. Probably talked about it to prime. But prime is duplicit about it, he obviously simultaenously wants her to die as she s only a pain in the ass for him, but cant say it either, which creates this highly toxic, unhealthy situation. Fact is, life is brutally cold, for one lifeform to survive, it often has to abandon another one. Natural selection.

 In the end she deteriorates both physically and psychologically and is just a number for doctors. Nobody really cares about her but those who have to stay with her until she finally die. Everyone else is too busy focusing on surviving daily to care about someone who s already in her final days. At this stage most people give up because they realize nobody really care about them as they dont have anything anymore to produce, bring to others. People only care about you if they have interests in doing so, if you give them something in return. Being old, not working, slowly abandonned by your loved ones, having some money, not being able to provide sex or anything in return, you re pretty much useless and as a result drugged until you pass away.

This is why euthanasia will become an increasingly important matter in the next decade, especially in the dying west, white occidental world. The problem with euthanasia, is that doctors and big pharma make more money keeping people alive against their will in various institutions, force feeding them with drugs -which kill them, but slowly- so they ll pretty much fight against it.

This is why suicide exists; when you know there s only pain and suffering waiting for you, but everyone wants to keep you alive -while wishing you could just go so they can inherit your shit or simply release themselves from your suffering- because they have -financial- interests in doing so.

The real mechanics of "life" are really twisted, far from the bullshits stories adults feed their kids with. Growing up is just realizing how cynical and vain animals we "humans" truly are.



You really need to stop posting this stuff.

I know you're just playing a game (previously posting as some form of "Christian" [who I was skeptical of then] to now posting as some form of a nihilist).

I also know that most on here don't give two handfuls of dog crap what you're posting either, but you should stop.....switch gears to a hippie or something like that.

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« Reply #164 on: March 10, 2015, 09:30:05 AM »
You really need to stop posting this stuff.

I know you're just playing a game (previously posting as some form of "Christian" [who I was skeptical of then] to now posting as some form of a nihilist).

I also know that most on here don't give two handfuls of dog crap what you're posting either, but you should stop.....switch gears to a hippie or something like that.
You obviously read and give a crap about it as you came to the conclusion you dont want me to expose the truth any further because it hurts you. I'm not playing any game, I'm just explaining what I see,experienced, like many others, and the number of people who will come to that conclusion about the true nature of life will increase as time goes, it's a normal, natural process that accompanies the decline of a civilization.

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« Reply #165 on: March 10, 2015, 09:37:18 AM »
She probably wants to die, but is prevented to do so by people who keep her alive against her will. Probably talked about it to prime. But prime is duplicit about it, he obviously simultaenously wants her to die as she s only a pain in the ass for him, but cant say it either, which creates this highly toxic, unhealthy situation. Fact is, life is brutally cold, for one lifeform to survive, it often has to abandon another one. Natural selection. "love" ? ... well it always become exposed for what it is at some point in any relationship. An illusion at best, a joke at worst.

 In the end she deteriorates both physically and psychologically and is just a number for doctors. Nobody really cares about her but those who have to stay with her until she finally die. Everyone else is too busy focusing on surviving daily to care about someone who s already in her final days. At this stage most people give up because they realize nobody really care about them as they dont have anything anymore to produce, bring to others. They let themselves die. People only care about you if they have interests in doing so, if you give them something in return. Being old, not working, slowly abandonned by your loved ones, having some money, not being able to provide sex or anything in return, you re pretty much useless and as a result drugged until you pass away.

This is why euthanasia will become an increasingly important matter in the next decade, especially in the dying west, white occidental world. The problem with euthanasia, is that doctors and big pharma make more money keeping people alive against their will in various institutions, force feeding them with drugs -which kill them, but slowly- so they ll pretty much fight against it.

This is why suicide exists; when you know there s only pain and suffering waiting for you, but everyone wants to keep you alive -while wishing you could just go so they can inherit your shit or simply release themselves from your suffering- because they have -financial- interests in doing so.

The real mechanics of "life" are really twisted, far from the bullshits stories adults feed their kids with. Growing up is just realizing how cynical and vain animals we "humans" truly are.



I remember this old woman who had a dying very old dog. Dog wasnt able to do shit anymore but curl and sleep at her feets, didnt want to eat anymore. She forced it to eat, went to a veterinary. She pretended to love the poor animal, but she was just forcing it to stay alive while it was suffering 24/7. She didnt do it for the dog, but for herself, cause she didnt want to be alone.  Eventually dog got euthanazed, and she bought a new dog.


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Re: I love you guys....(no homo)!
« Reply #166 on: March 10, 2015, 09:38:46 AM »
You obviously read and give a crap about it as you came to the conclusion you dont want me to expose the truth any further because it hurts you. I'm not playing any game, I'm just explaining what I see,experienced, like many others, and the number of people who will come to that conclusion about the true nature of life will increase as time goes, it's a normal, natural process that accompanies the decline of a civilization.

 ::) ;D  just stop already


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« Reply #167 on: March 10, 2015, 09:39:15 AM »












It is a common occurrence with people how have long term illness
& medication.
I have a similar problem with my youngest son,
consultant says its psychosomatic symptom with him.
Very tough to deal with day in day out.
Especially as it could be life threatening.

You really need "consultants" to realize he wants to die because he knows nothing good awaits him in the future ?
Most medications dont cure shit, they only slow it and often worsen it by developing side effects that are often worse than the initial "problem".

Also "caregivers" often medicate "loved ones" they secretly hate to kill them slowly, hoping it will dumb them down enough so they cant expose the bad stuff they did to them.

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« Reply #168 on: March 10, 2015, 10:51:28 AM »
You really need "consultants" to realize he wants to die because he knows nothing good awaits him in the future ?
Most medications dont cure shit, they only slow it and often worsen it by developing side effects that are often worse than the initial "problem".

Also "caregivers" often medicate "loved ones" they secretly hate to kill them slowly, hoping it will dumb them down enough so they cant expose the bad stuff they did to them.












And you know my son & have had a conversation with him..??
My lad does not want to die & neither do I,
As for needing a senior consultant md yes he does & the meds
That are given to him & taken most of the time by him make a huge difference
To his quality of life. Clearly they work well for him.
My lad is a bright intelligent young man whom we hope & wish has a
Very Bright Future. Why would he not.
Life my be all Doom & Gloom for you & your outlook.
We don't all share that same outlook.
There are still some very Good things in Life To Live For.

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« Reply #169 on: March 10, 2015, 11:30:06 AM »
Why would she make that choice?


This is actually a discussion about quality of life. My wife has kidney failure, congestive heart failure, type II diabetes, severe anemia, osteoarthritis, a non functioning thyroid and probably some other things, I'm not remembering. She takes a bunch of medications several times a day, uses oxygen 24/7 and needs a walker to get around. For her, getting though each day is a huge chore. Although my wife agreed to give dialysis a try, she did this for me and our children then for herself. Initially, she declined to do dialysis when it became  an ongoing thing, which it is at this point.

Personally, I think she is a brave woman to put up as much of a fight to continue life as she is currently doing. I don't know that I would be that brave. This is why these choices are hers. She's not a child. I am not her parent.

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« Reply #170 on: March 10, 2015, 11:31:31 AM »
Its a sad world when we choose not to keep learning
Learning=life improvement =more creative life paths
Start making more pathways prime
More things to do=more reasons for living

Right now, I am limited to baby steps with regards to taking on new things. Your advice is excellent though.

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« Reply #171 on: March 10, 2015, 11:38:04 AM »
In the end she will die in uter physical and psychological pain and distress and prime will just go on until it's his turn.

And the same awaits all of us.



Life.

Isnt it beautiful?

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« Reply #172 on: March 10, 2015, 11:38:48 AM »
You really need "consultants" to realize he wants to die because he knows nothing good awaits him in the future ?
Most medications dont cure shit, they only slow it and often worsen it by developing side effects that are often worse than the initial "problem".

Also "caregivers" often medicate "loved ones" they secretly hate to kill them slowly, hoping it will dumb them down enough so they cant expose the bad stuff they did to them.

Have you been watching Dateline a lot lately? While there have been cases of caregivers over medicating those in their care, it is surely not a common occurrence. I can assure you that my wife's caregivers, this being mainly my daughter and I, do not secretly hate her and wish her dead. We are doing everything we can to keep her alive as longs as that's what she wants.

You are right about many medications having negative side effects. Often when you take a medication it is a trade off. The medications and treatments my wife is on will not cure her. There is no cure currently available to her. They do extend her life and make her feel better.

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« Reply #173 on: March 10, 2015, 11:42:41 AM »
In the end she will die in uter physical and psychological pain and distress and prime will just go on until it's his turn.

And the same awaits all of us.



Life.

Isnt it beautiful?

According to her nephrologist, dying from kidney failure is not the worst way to go. It is also likely she, could die from congestive heart failure. If that ends up being the case, she and I both hope she dies during the night, which is not uncommon with congestive heart failure. 

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« Reply #174 on: March 10, 2015, 11:52:13 AM »
Cant she simply fill papers to be euthanasied at her own demand?