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Re: the Cheaters: can you help me understand...?
« Reply #25 on: May 10, 2015, 06:13:39 PM »
A rule that can't be enforced can't and won't be taken seriously. The drug ban
can't be enforced effectively, therefore it should be scrapped.
Everyone knows this rule will be broken by someone, and once someone breaks
it the rest follow by necessity. After that the only crime is in being caught.

Drug use is banned by the IFBB. Are all the bodybuilders cheating? No, the scumbags
are the IFBB. Same with the IOC and all the other sports orgs.

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« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2015, 06:27:06 PM »
The 10 Greatest Sports Cheaters of All Time
These men and women are true game changers - in the worst possible ways.

1. OH, CANADA
Canadian sprinter Ben Johnson was disqualified from the 100-meter race at the 1988 Seoul Games after the post-race drug test revealed he'd been using steroids. As far as we can tell, Canada hasn't been allowed back in the Games since.

2. PATRIOT GAMES
In 2007, New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick was caught videotaping the New York Jets' defensive coaching signals. "Spygate" set off a media frenzy and tarnished the Pats' record; still, there are worse things you can do with a camera in the NFL--right, Brett?

3. ROSIES ARE RED-HANDED
In 1980, Rosie Ruiz won (asterisk) the Boston Marathon in the female category in 2.5 hours. It was later revealed that she disappeared into the crowd, then showed up on the course half a mile from the finish. Oh, and to qualify for Boston, she ran (re: took the subway during) the NYC Marathon. Disqualified, perhaps, but not forgotten.

4. YELLOW-JERSEYED COWARD
When it was revealed last year that Lance Armstrong had been doping the entire time he'd been on a bike (all while denying it), the cyclist had to surrender his bright yellow jersey. Sadly, this makes it harder to find the guy and punch him in the nut.

5. SPANISH TREATMENT
We thought the guys behind South Park made it up, but no: A group of totally healthy, non-handicapped Spanish basketball players infiltrated the 2000 Special Olympics to win gold. How does that plan end well?

6. BREAK A LEG
In sports, cheating usually happens on the field of play--or on the ice, depending on which sports we're talking about. For figure skater Tonya Harding, it happened the night before the 1994 U.S. Figure Skating Championships in Detriot. We can't tell you what she was thinking, but we can tell you what she did, which was hire someone to break rival Nancy Kerrigan's leg with a baton. Such a graceful sport.

7. BARRY JUICE
Considered one of the greatest baseball players of all time (asterisk), Barry Bonds is now known mostly for his serial steroid use and his perjury and obstuction-of-justice charges. The Giants won't let him go, though, occassionally employing his roid-enlarged forehead as an outfield target during batting practice.

8. HAND BALL
In the second half of a 1986 World Cup soccer match against England, Argentina's Diego Maradona performed perhaps the ballsiest act of cheating in the history of sports. Going up for a header, the player caught the ball in one hand and swiftly drove it straight into England's goal. The ref didn't see it, players and spectators were outraged--and Americans everywhere asked what the big deal was.

9. "DISONISCHENKO"
In fencing, points are signaled by a light that indicated weapon-to-body contact. So when Boris Onischenko's light went off without explanation during the fencing portion of the modern pentathalon at the 1976 Olympic Games, something wasn't right. It turned out the Soviet had Macguyvered his épée's grip to activate the light manually. Unsurprisingly, the Soviets have "no recollection" of the event.

10. DIRTY SOX
Lefty Williams, Chick Gandil, and Happy Felsch aren't characters in a Guy Ritchie film. They're three of the eight Chicago White Sox caught accepting money to lose to the Cincinnati Reds in the 1919 World Series. Not convicted but banned from America's pastime, they went on to open an investment bank, or so we heard.

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« Reply #27 on: May 10, 2015, 06:29:50 PM »
Cross Ben Johnson off that list!!!
Like any Amercian sprinter who won was clean, lol... C'mon!

Very interesting article on t-nation about Johnson's story and all. It's bullshit man,, the piss samples were in a room that was not even guarded. anybody could have tampered with them.

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« Reply #28 on: May 10, 2015, 06:38:40 PM »
Why is it so hard to understand  ???




I don't understand  juiced bodybuilders that cheat , competing in a natural show  just to win a plastic trophy.






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« Reply #29 on: May 10, 2015, 06:39:40 PM »
Cross Ben Johnson off that list!!!
Like any Amercian sprinter who won was clean, lol... C'mon!

Very interesting article on t-nation about Johnson's story and all. It's bullshit man,, the piss samples were in a room that was not even guarded. anybody could have tampered with them.

Stop making a fool of yourself!  What does that have to do with anything?  Are you suggesting he wasn't on steroids?  Whom are you trying to convince?  Johnson himself talked about his cheating in interviews.  He even talked about it in Bigger Faster Stronger.  And here you come 27 years later to tell us that there is no there there because "the piss samples were in a room that was not even guarded".  ::)

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« Reply #30 on: May 10, 2015, 06:43:15 PM »
Stop making a fool of yourself!  What does that have to do with anything?  Are you suggesting he wasn't on steroids?  Whom are you trying to convince?  Johnson himself talked about his cheating in interviews.  He even talked about it in Bigger Faster Stronger.  And here you come 27 years later to tell us that there is no there there because "the piss samples were in a room that was not even guarded".  ::)

these guys have dudes to tell them when to get off and beat the tests or whatnot. Of course they use, off season and was told they're faster off the drugs.
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« Reply #31 on: May 10, 2015, 06:54:11 PM »
Stop making a fool of yourself!  What does that have to do with anything?  Are you suggesting he wasn't on steroids?  Whom are you trying to convince?  Johnson himself talked about his cheating in interviews.  He even talked about it in Bigger Faster Stronger.  And here you come 27 years later to tell us that there is no there there because "the piss samples were in a room that was not even guarded".  ::)

Do you think justice was served when Ben got caught? I think Ben's crime wasn't cheating, it was getting caught, as I would argue there is a concensus among those in the know that everyone in that field had doped. Like I said, a rule that can't be enforced uniformly and effectively is useless and perhaps immoral.

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« Reply #32 on: May 10, 2015, 07:22:21 PM »

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« Reply #33 on: May 10, 2015, 07:24:39 PM »
People like Sokolsky enable the cheaters. They perform mental cartwheels to try it make it seem like the guy was not cheating.  I remember on another board back in 2013 when Aaron Hernandez was initially arrested, I laid out a simple fact pattern based on news reports and one of the posters (I think it was Squadfather) tired to excuse it all as media hype and people being jealous of Aaron's NFL contract.  Um, yeah.  Well, we now know how that line of thinking worked out.  ::)

Fuck off, by your logic we could similarly conclude that since you probably love the cock, in the absence of conclusive evidence, you mostlikely are sucking down a 10 incher right now. See how that works?

The only thing the investigation concluded was that Brady probably knew. Did he know? Possibly. Do we know for sure? No. Unless there's irrefutable proof, he's clear of any wrongdoing. That's how it works in the free-world. In the meanwhile dumbfucks like Jon Stewart should be hung by the balls whilst forced to listen to their fake as fuck laughter audiotapes, feel free to join him.
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« Reply #34 on: May 10, 2015, 08:10:32 PM »
Stop making a fool of yourself!  What does that have to do with anything?  Are you suggesting he wasn't on steroids?  Whom are you trying to convince?  Johnson himself talked about his cheating in interviews.  He even talked about it in Bigger Faster Stronger.  And here you come 27 years later to tell us that there is no there there because "the piss samples were in a room that was not even guarded".  ::)

If I recall correctly Johnson said that he did use substances but not the one, or likes of them, that they caught him for.

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« Reply #35 on: May 10, 2015, 08:22:35 PM »
Drug use isn't seen as cheating,sadly you do it so your not disadvantaged by not doing it. 

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« Reply #36 on: May 10, 2015, 08:29:31 PM »
Rosie Ruiz.  LOL.  How anyone thought even for 5 minutes that this bloated pasty pig won the NYC Marathon is insane.  I love the fake grimace and fat filled thighs.
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« Reply #37 on: May 10, 2015, 08:53:00 PM »
I am not yet an old fossil, but when I look at people like Rosie Ruiz, Marion Jones, Lance Armstrong, Mark Mcgwire (google them) and now Tom Brady, I feel as if I am from another era.  I know this sounds hopelessly old fashioned, but where is the satisfaction in “winning” if you know you cheated?  How can that feel good or make you feel as if you have accomplished anything?  Never mind the fans, the media, the investigative authorities, etc.  You know you cheated!  To make matters worse, when confronted instead of hanging their heads in shame and immediately taking responsibility these cheaters will stand in front of microphones indignant and lie with their last breath to insist they did not cheat.  Only when exposed with hard, irrefutable evidence do they “confess” and admit to it all.  It is not a confession if you were exposed.  And you are certainly not "sorry" or anything other than getting caught.

I played many sports while growing up, but maybe I a missing some sports minded gene that allows these folks to rationalize their cheating.  Do you understand it?  Can you explain it to me?  Some people even cheat in sports where there is no big contract or payday waiting for them.  They cheat just to "beat"  the other guy... even if it means winning dishonestly.  Where is the satisfaction in that? ???



I think cheating has always been rampant in professional sports. I just think its much much easier to expose them now. Look at the abuse of "greenies" in baseball for decades. That was most definitely PED abuse...  Its just one example but illustrates the point.. Steroids were absolutely in every NFL lockerroom in the 70's and 80's and Jerry Rice has admitted to using "stick-em"...

I do get what you are saying about being " old fashioned" and I do wish things would move that direction

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« Reply #38 on: May 10, 2015, 09:09:33 PM »
I have to give this guy (and his attorney) credit for balls.  He gets hauled before Congress to testify about his cheating and his spoon fed line is "I'm not here to talk about the past...."  Remember that BS?  ::)

No matter whats said here, what reasoning there is, you're going to call it "cheating". Do you think that they're the only ones "cheating"? It's an even playing field. The only thing that differs is most were targeted and eventually caught. This is for almost any sport. Baseball for example, is dying again because of testing, Sammy Sosa and Mark McGwire saved baseball, Ratings for cycling have dropped because Armstrong isn't around but the reality is his whole team and other teams are doing the same the same thing. Welcome to the world of semi-professional and professional sports.


Saying you played sports is all well and good, most of us have. I played baseball in minor leagues for two years. But here's the thing. Mentally, the elites players at any level are light years ahead of us. Work ethic, genetics the whole nine yards. They would have made it with or without drugs. Most are on a level very few will understand. Thats a fact. ANYONE who is successful is on another level. I trained Mark McGwire from 2002-2004, even in retirement he still trained as if he were still playing. Bay, again. These athletes are on another level. They will do what ever it takes to be the best. If you had a $150mil I guaranfuckingtee you'd do the same thing.

McGwire, Bonds, Rose all deserve to be first round ballot picks for the HOF. If they're not then remove Babe Ruth and everyone else during that era because it was sure as fuck just as dirty back then as it is now. That goes for Football as well.

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« Reply #39 on: May 10, 2015, 09:21:00 PM »
No matter whats said here, what reasoning there is, you're going to call it "cheating". Do you think that they're the only ones "cheating"? It's an even playing field.

Actually, most of the teams in the NFL had legally-inflated balls.  I don't get the assumption that "it's an even playing field".

Where in the world do you get that?  Why make that assumption?  Brady had an advantage, the NE RBs had an advantage, Gronk had an advantage with 1-handed catches.  And the other teams did not.

We saw good players become incredible with steroids, but we cannot deny 2 things
1) steroids made them better
2) not everyone did steroids

It's cheating, and it's not a playing field. 

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« Reply #40 on: May 10, 2015, 09:22:31 PM »
Why is it so hard to understand  ???




I don't understand  juiced bodybuilders that cheat , competing in a natural show  just to win a plastic trophy.






Clearly and completely all natty!
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« Reply #41 on: May 10, 2015, 09:31:19 PM »
Actually, most of the teams in the NFL had legally-inflated balls.  I don't get the assumption that "it's an even playing field".

Where in the world do you get that?  Why make that assumption?  Brady had an advantage, the NE RBs had an advantage, Gronk had an advantage with 1-handed catches.  And the other teams did not.

We saw good players become incredible with steroids, but we cannot deny 2 things
1) steroids made them better
2) not everyone did steroids

It's cheating, and it's not a playing field. 

When you have the majority of players doing it, it's not cheating. Yes, and again, steroids made them better. They can now hit the ball 450ft instead of 420 while recovering faster. Either you're homerun hitter or you're not.

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« Reply #42 on: May 10, 2015, 09:34:34 PM »
Even Playing Field of Peace.

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« Reply #43 on: May 10, 2015, 11:01:52 PM »
I am not yet an old fossil, but when I look at people like Rosie Ruiz, Marion Jones, Lance Armstrong, Mark Mcgwire (google them) and now Tom Brady, I feel as if I am from another era.  I know this sounds hopelessly old fashioned, but where is the satisfaction in “winning” if you know you cheated?  How can that feel good or make you feel as if you have accomplished anything?  Never mind the fans, the media, the investigative authorities, etc.  You know you cheated!  To make matters worse, when confronted instead of hanging their heads in shame and immediately taking responsibility these cheaters will stand in front of microphones indignant and lie with their last breath to insist they did not cheat.  Only when exposed with hard, irrefutable evidence do they “confess” and admit to it all.  It is not a confession if you were exposed.  And you are certainly not "sorry" or anything other than getting caught.

I played many sports while growing up, but maybe I a missing some sports minded gene that allows these folks to rationalize their cheating.  Do you understand it?  Can you explain it to me?  Some people even cheat in sports where there is no big contract or payday waiting for them.  They cheat just to "beat"  the other guy... even if it means winning dishonestly.  Where is the satisfaction in that? ???


Simple, because they all do... They all cheat some more some less, some smarter some not, some get caught some not... It is hard to live with, it is trust me ;) not easy... You just move on with your life, it becomes part of you and it is not necessarily wrong it's just part of the game - elite, talented athletes are all on drugs.

All records are set on PEDs - welcome to reality.

P.s. My records are still not beaten ;) guess why...
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« Reply #44 on: May 11, 2015, 12:50:41 AM »
cheaters are the best.

they show that they not only got a great body, athletic ability etc but also a great mind.

it takes a lot of thinking to come up with clever cheating and getting away with it.

they also got a lot of balls as there's high risks for getting caught and for losing their health.

i salute the cheaters of the world! the ben johnsons! the lance armstrongs!

the jock at school who knew he couldnt keep up with the little bookworms so he had to cheat to pass!

and to finish off my soon legendary post i'd like to quote the great house of pain:

It ain't a crime if you don't get caught
It ain't a sale if it don't get bought
It ain't a show if I don't get paid
She ain't a hoe if you don't get laid

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« Reply #45 on: May 11, 2015, 01:20:05 AM »
Is Bay genuinely an idiot or just trying to seem like one?
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« Reply #46 on: May 11, 2015, 01:46:50 AM »
I am not yet an old fossil, but when I look at people like Rosie Ruiz, Marion Jones, Lance Armstrong, Mark Mcgwire (google them) and now Tom Brady, I feel as if I am from another era.  I know this sounds hopelessly old fashioned, but where is the satisfaction in “winning” if you know you cheated?  How can that feel good or make you feel as if you have accomplished anything?  Never mind the fans, the media, the investigative authorities, etc.  You know you cheated!  To make matters worse, when confronted instead of hanging their heads in shame and immediately taking responsibility these cheaters will stand in front of microphones indignant and lie with their last breath to insist they did not cheat.  Only when exposed with hard, irrefutable evidence do they “confess” and admit to it all.  It is not a confession if you were exposed.  And you are certainly not "sorry" or anything other than getting caught.

I played many sports while growing up, but maybe I a missing some sports minded gene that allows these folks to rationalize their cheating.  Do you understand it?  Can you explain it to me?  Some people even cheat in sports where there is no big contract or payday waiting for them.  They cheat just to "beat"  the other guy... even if it means winning dishonestly.  Where is the satisfaction in that? ???



1-it's not about winning or beating the other guy, it's about being the best, no matter what, making things normal humans can't do with only genetics, training and mental force.
2-they lie because medias are filthy hypocrites. They have to do so to keep sponsors and co. and because ofc it's illegal. You don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

My 2 cents.

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« Reply #47 on: May 11, 2015, 01:48:37 AM »
When they changed balls at half-time, Brady took them apart even worse.
Aaron Rogers said he likes his over-inflated.

Everyone tries for an edge in sports, from the curve on a hockey stick, to pine tar and scuffed baseballs, greenies in the 70's (speed) and roids in the 90's (and beyond) MLB.

Wine if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat...

It has and always will be part of sports, business, politics, etc...

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« Reply #48 on: May 11, 2015, 01:57:38 AM »
why not cheat? If u do u can have it all, if u dont well go back to your 9-5 job :)

Why the hell on earth be honest and fair?

Sport these days have been taken so far I doubt u can make it natural...


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« Reply #49 on: May 11, 2015, 02:08:06 AM »
99% of athletes will cheat if they think they can get away with it.

The rewards for winning are too great to ignore.