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« Reply #10825 on: April 29, 2024, 12:53:38 PM »
I am not saying they are the same. But it is really semantics. And the reality is most of my Ethereum I acquired via mining. Lots of sweat equity went into it. We suffered through hot days, two outlets melted over the years, I had to build all the rigs which is a lot more work than buying a Bitcoin ASIC miner and using it out of the box. Motherboards, hard drives, power supplies, graphics cards, memory, cases, cables, tables. All that shit had to be bought, assembled, etc. One of my typical rigs had 4 power supplies. I used a mother board that could accept multiple power supplies but even then I had to split the power supply cables to get to 4 units. It is a lot more technical than setting up an ASIC miner.

So how is the SEC going to declare ETH a security now after all that time and many people who mined it. It didn't help that Gensler himself stated Ethereum was a commodity, along with Hinman. The time has gone to try and declare ETH a security. They also approved ETH Futures to trade on commodity exchanges like the Chicago Mercantile Exchange. They and the "Media" are playing games at this point. Probably to allow entities to accumulate ETH at lower entry points.

No doubt you put in a lot of hard work. Just like people put a lot of hard work into acquiring investment in Bernie Madoff's fund, or acquiring XRP tokens, by trading their hard earned cash. You actually put in proof of work, and not only did they pre-mine you, but then they changed the protocol on you, and indeed also the monetary policy.

The issue here, is whether seemingly illegally issued tokens, can nevertheless become shares which can be legitimately traded on exchanges. Your best hope, I think, is that the SEC punishes the issuers, settles with them, but allows the tokens to trade. It is possible this would happen (eg Vitalik gets a Billion dollar fine and hands over x amount to Eth to the US Government), maybe serves some token time in prison for fraud and securities violations (no pun intended) and then all goes ahead with Eth being converted into a listed company after extensive re-organization. There are some easily examples of such agreements with illegal issuers, EOS I think being one. So there is hope. Same with Ripple - I think the SEC wants around 5B to settle and then also some jail time to be served? But to go so far as to allow something with these origins to be traded as a security in an ETF is going a step too far I think. (Again, nothing personal view, but just applying the law as I see it - its just too much a perversion of the law, and an absolute moral hazard.

Lets see. I have a little ETH, but would likely still be more harmed by dilution of BTC by ETH, than I would be benefitting from ETH being allowed into a US ETF. So, for me personally, I would prefer to see BTC as the only ETF for a long time ahead. The other big problem is where to draw the line. If ETH is legitimized, then arguably the floodgates are opened to any issuer of securities to circumvent the SEC.

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« Reply #10826 on: April 29, 2024, 02:03:54 PM »
No doubt you put in a lot of hard work. Just like people put a lot of hard work into acquiring investment in Bernie Madoff's fund, or acquiring XRP tokens, buy trading their hard earned cash. The issue here, is whether seemingly illegally issued tokens, can nevertheless become shares which can be legitimately traded on exchanges. Your best hope, I think, is that the SEC punishes the issuers, settles with them, but allows the tokens to trade. Its possible this would happen (eg Vitalik gets a Billion dollar fine and hands over x amount to Eth to the US Government), maybe serves some token time (no pun intended) and then all goes ahead. There are some easily examples of such agreements with illegal issuers, EOS I think being one. So there is hope. Same with Ripple - I think the SEC wants around 5B to settle? But to go so far as to allow something with these origins to be traded as a security in an ETF is going a step too far I think. (Again, nothing personal view, but just applying the law as I see it).

Lets see. I have a little ETH, but would likely still be more harmed by dilution of BTC by ETH, than I would be benefitting from ETH being allowed into a US ETF. So, for me personally, I would prefer to see BTC as the only ETF for a long time ahead. The other big problem is where to draw the line. If ETH is legitimized, then arguably the floodgates are opened to any issuer of securities to circumvent the SEC.
THE SEC is like the Mafia's enforcer shaking down businesses for "protection". Should just be shutdown IMO. Stop trying to babysit people. Let the chips fall where they may. When have they ever protected anyone? What's their purpose if they are not protecting investors? To harass and fine? I don't get it. They need to offer me as a tax payer something of value. How have I or you ever benefitted from them? Have they made me money? Some of my taxes went to the SEC. I want a return on my investment!

The SEC is also only in the USA. That's one country amongst many. The US population is a little over 333 million. That's around 4.1% of the world's current almost 8 billion. Why should the rest care about whatever the USA decides? Hong Kong already approved Spot ETH funds. The SEC will only be hurting US investors. The rest of the world will be fine. And last I checked, the USA is basically bankrupt. The influence it will have over crypto markets will severely diminish in the not too distant future.

If anything, Bitcoin, Ethereum and many other cryptos will be a life raft for US citizens. Almost all crypto tokens are better than the US dollar.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10827 on: April 29, 2024, 02:16:37 PM »
No buyer is an absolute diamond hand. If they were, there would be no trading except for newly mined coin. WHat we do know, is that many of the ETF buyers will be passive and "sticky", and many will slowly accumulate and hodl for decades to come, especially as the BTC ETFs get incorporated into small portions of more general asset ETFs.

As for holding 58K, all these short term predictions are really non-sensical, as no-one can predict these with certainty. However, what we an do is conclude that is likely BTC will rise for ever, and if so, we simply stack and hodl.

Further, looking at this in USD (which is among the least worst performing of all global currencies) vs BTC is rather US-centric, when you consider that the USD has itself gained against almost all global currencies over the last year. Against most global currencies, BTC is close to, or at the absolute peak, and even against the USD (which has outperformed most global currencies) BTC is up over 100% in just the last year alone.

You are looking at, and being distracted by, micro-parabolas. If you were to zoom out, to say, 2030, you would just see one massive parabolic adoption curve, just like if you zoomed in/our on Microsoft, Amazon, or Google.

USD is the measurement of performance. Currency decline downside is capped to -99% whereas upside is uncapped. Am I more excited about a -10% negative currency swing vs USD or the +400% gain from timing entry to exit 🤔 currency decline is not a bragging point for performance lol

I’m not sure I’d call providing the target price 2yrs in advance short term. In fact that is retail’s perfect scenario to time the market.

Why is it you can brag post about dip buying on a short term timeframe of days yet when I give market bottom and top 2yrs in advance I am the one distracted on ‘short term’ 🤷‍♂️ ?  We got to my target price from 2yrs ago that I waited 2yrs for, hooray.

Your Maxi thinking you keep applying to shitcoins doesn’t work. You will get torn up by people like me who time the market with bigger bags and keep slamming the price of 💩 coins anytime it gets near a peak 😉

My timing has allowed me to enjoy the last 2yrs watching the narrative and data manipulation to direct retail mentality and behaviour. The narratives are BS but hey, it makes money 😀

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« Reply #10828 on: April 30, 2024, 02:47:12 AM »
USD is the measurement of performance. Currency decline downside is capped to -99% whereas upside is uncapped. Am I more excited about a -10% negative currency swing vs USD or the +400% gain from timing entry to exit 🤔 currency decline is not a bragging point for performance lol

I’m not sure I’d call providing the target price 2yrs in advance short term. In fact that is retail’s perfect scenario to time the market.

Why is it you can brag post about dip buying on a short term timeframe of days yet when I give market bottom and top 2yrs in advance I am the one distracted on ‘short term’ 🤷‍♂️ ?  We got to my target price from 2yrs ago that I waited 2yrs for, hooray.

Your Maxi thinking you keep applying to shitcoins doesn’t work. You will get torn up by people like me who time the market with bigger bags and keep slamming the price of 💩 coins anytime it gets near a peak 😉

My timing has allowed me to enjoy the last 2yrs watching the narrative and data manipulation to direct retail mentality and behaviour. The narratives are BS but hey, it makes money 😀

For any economist, mathematician, or Bitcoiner, our measure is BTC vs purchasing power (not BTC vs USD, or any other declining currency). So, for example if BTC has risen 12% to the USD, but the USD has during that time devalued 10% in purchasing power, you have actually only made a 2% gain in purchasing power when measured in BTC. Comparing to a declining currency is an illusion, much like it appears you are going forwards in a car, when in fact you are stationary and another car next to you is going backwards.

I buy any dip, because it gives me an opportunity to own more of a finite number of sats, which I am confident will go up in value over time. This is what I do, and indeed what we should all be doing. I care little about short-term upward movements, as I am a hodler. I don't intend to sell.

if you, or anyone, could reliably pick short term trends whether in BTC, or in shitcoins, you would be a billionaire. You may believe you can reliably and consistently do this, but you, and almost all people, cannot, much we all wish we could.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10829 on: April 30, 2024, 04:33:13 AM »
For any economist, mathematician, or Bitcoiner, our measure is BTC vs purchasing power (not BTC vs USD, or any other declining currency). So, for example if BTC has risen 12% to the USD, but the USD has during that time devalued 10% in purchasing power, you have actually only made a 2% gain in purchasing power when measured in BTC. Comparing to a declining currency is an illusion, much like it appears you are going forwards in a car, when in fact you are stationary and another car next to you is going backwards.

I buy any dip, because it gives me an opportunity to own more of a finite number of sats, which I am confident will go up in value over time. This is what I do, and indeed what we should all be doing. I care little about short-term upward movements, as I am a hodler. I don't intend to sell.

if you, or anyone, could reliably pick short term trends whether in BTC, or in shitcoins, you would be a billionaire. You may believe you can reliably and consistently do this, but you, and almost all people, cannot, much we all wish we could.

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« Reply #10830 on: April 30, 2024, 02:14:40 PM »
Obsidian - pretty much right on que...

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/new-court-filings-show-sec-chair-gensler-believed-ethereum-was-security-for-at-least-year

Again, please do not blame me, or take this personally. I am simply telling us here what the law is. Whether the law should be changed or not, and whether you like the outcome of the current laws being applied, is of course a separate matter. But the law is the law - and for us as investors we really need to take note and understand this.


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« Reply #10831 on: April 30, 2024, 05:53:35 PM »
Obsidian - pretty much right on que...

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/new-court-filings-show-sec-chair-gensler-believed-ethereum-was-security-for-at-least-year

Again, please do not blame me, or take this personally. I am simply telling us here what the law is. Whether the law should be changed or not, and whether you like the outcome of the current laws being applied, is of course a separate matter. But the law is the law - and for us as investors we really need to take note and understand this.
Whatever he thinks is irrelevant. He does not get to decide this. It will be up to the courts if they decide to go that route. That Fox Business article also makes a lot of assumptions. They are assuming he thought it was a security because of Consensys suing the SEC. But that's just how they are reading it. They don't have the official word from Gensler himself.

He has also now been accused of misleading Congress on Ethereum.

Some think Consensys suing the SEC was a chess move to put pressure on Gensler. The Hong Kong ETH ETF is also considered to be a move to put pressure on the US SEC.

https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2024/04/30/houses-mchenry-accuses-sec-chief-gensler-of-misleading-congress-on-ethereum/

House's McHenry Accuses SEC Chief Gensler of Misleading Congress on Ethereum

The chairman of the House Financial Services Committee says Gensler refused to discuss his view on ETH in testimony even after the SEC was investigating it as a security.

U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) Chair Gary Gensler has been accused of misleading Congress by Rep. Patrick McHenry, the chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, who said Gensler's agency already knew it considered Ethereum's ether a security before he attended a hearing and declined to answer that question.

"Chair Gensler refused to answer questions regarding the SEC's classification of ether," McHenry said in a statement posted on X. "New court filings show this was an intentional attempt to misrepresent the commission's position."

The classification of (ETH), the second-largest cryptocurrency by market cap, is a major question hanging over the U.S. oversight of digital assets, and it's being fought on multiple legal fronts. If ETH is a security that should be registered and regulated by the SEC, then many other tokens may also fit that definition.

Documents in Consensys' newly filed lawsuit against the SEC describe how the agency was pursuing an investigation into the nature of ETH days before Gensler testified in April 2023. Consensys is suing the agency ahead of an expected SEC enforcement action.

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« Reply #10832 on: April 30, 2024, 08:08:30 PM »
A hawkish FED tomorrow and it won't be looking good. Risk off will continue and each BTC support could get taken out down to ETF approval levels. Who will save us?

Ironically a surprise ETH ETF approval might be the one thing that steadies price action. SEC has gone full retard, so any craziness is still possible there. Going after ETH/denying ETH ETF and at the same time they look likely to approve leveraged ETH futures ETFs in June. They might as well have a potato in charge.

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« Reply #10833 on: May 01, 2024, 12:59:43 AM »
Ah shit here we go again :)

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« Reply #10834 on: May 01, 2024, 02:10:44 AM »
Whatever he thinks is irrelevant. He does not get to decide this. It will be up to the courts if they decide to go that route. That Fox Business article also makes a lot of assumptions. They are assuming he thought it was a security because of Consensys suing the SEC. But that's just how they are reading it. They don't have the official word from Gensler himself.

He has also now been accused of misleading Congress on Ethereum.

Some think Consensys suing the SEC was a chess move to put pressure on Gensler. The Hong Kong ETH ETF is also considered to be a move to put pressure on the US SEC.

https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2024/04/30/houses-mchenry-accuses-sec-chief-gensler-of-misleading-congress-on-ethereum/

House's McHenry Accuses SEC Chief Gensler of Misleading Congress on Ethereum

The chairman of the House Financial Services Committee says Gensler refused to discuss his view on ETH in testimony even after the SEC was investigating it as a security.

U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) Chair Gary Gensler has been accused of misleading Congress by Rep. Patrick McHenry, the chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, who said Gensler's agency already knew it considered Ethereum's ether a security before he attended a hearing and declined to answer that question.

"Chair Gensler refused to answer questions regarding the SEC's classification of ether," McHenry said in a statement posted on X. "New court filings show this was an intentional attempt to misrepresent the commission's position."

The classification of (ETH), the second-largest cryptocurrency by market cap, is a major question hanging over the U.S. oversight of digital assets, and it's being fought on multiple legal fronts. If ETH is a security that should be registered and regulated by the SEC, then many other tokens may also fit that definition.

Documents in Consensys' newly filed lawsuit against the SEC describe how the agency was pursuing an investigation into the nature of ETH days before Gensler testified in April 2023. Consensys is suing the agency ahead of an expected SEC enforcement action.

What Gensler and the SEC think are relevant, to that extend that it is the SEC who enforces the law. However, you are correct that the SEC are not the final deciders of the law. That is of course for the Courts to do.

Whether or Gensler is accused of misleading congress is also irrelevant as to how the law will ultimately be enforced.

The act of Consensys suing the SEC will help get us towards more judicial clarity on the status of Eth and any of the securities law breaches those involved with it are liable for. Its really a double-edged sword to proactively bring such a case - could really backfire if they get an adverse determination.

Another country allowing an illegally issued security to be listed as an ETF is again, not of much relevance on an US court decision (although if there were legal arguments made in a foreign court, such arguments, whilst not binding, could be persuasive if well-reasoned. No "pressure" on the SEC at all in this regard - in fact it makes it easier to tell American's that if they want to buy unregulated products they do so on overseas exchanges. The far greater pressure is to ensure orderly and compliant US capital markets - ETH is a blip in the overall context of that, although approving ETH does risk much larger impact and ramifications of a flood of companies  raising public money by avoiding US listing rules.

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« Reply #10835 on: May 01, 2024, 04:13:02 AM »
A hawkish FED tomorrow and it won't be looking good. Risk off will continue and each BTC support could get taken out down to ETF approval levels. Who will save us?

Ironically a surprise ETH ETF approval might be the one thing that steadies price action. SEC has gone full retard, so any craziness is still possible there. Going after ETH/denying ETH ETF and at the same time they look likely to approve leveraged ETH futures ETFs in June. They might as well have a potato in charge.

If only someone had warned us!!!!!

Hey imagine if 2024 year ended red!

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« Reply #10836 on: May 01, 2024, 05:17:37 AM »
If only someone had warned us!!!!!

Hey imagine if 2024 year ended red!

It was a great call, made even better by you not waiting for your $76k target to hit first.

I still have a bunch of staked positions open, but I expect to keep printing with them even in a downtrend (uptrend would print harder though)

I think macro is guiding us more than ever though and there is currently a huge put wall in ES that appeared almost out of no where. Maybe a front run of FOMC, so a V shape recovery may be on the cards or it could just be a line in the sand moment. First scenario could see BTC squeeze hard from here to $70k+ as it's only shorts left for the cabal to rek.  Not playing anything, but will be watching with the interest.

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« Reply #10837 on: May 01, 2024, 05:22:32 AM »
What Gensler and the SEC think are relevant, to that extend that it is the SEC who enforces the law. However, you are correct that the SEC are not the final deciders of the law. That is of course for the Courts to do.

Whether or Gensler is accused of misleading congress is also irrelevant as to how the law will ultimately be enforced.

The act of Consensys suing the SEC will help get us towards more judicial clarity on the status of Eth and any of the securities law breaches those involved with it are liable for. Its really a double-edged sword to proactively bring such a case - could really backfire if they get an adverse determination.

Another country allowing an illegally issued security to be listed as an ETF is again, not of much relevance on an US court decision (although if there were legal arguments made in a foreign court, such arguments, whilst not binding, could be persuasive if well-reasoned. No "pressure" on the SEC at all in this regard - in fact it makes it easier to tell American's that if they want to buy unregulated products they do so on overseas exchanges. The far greater pressure is to ensure orderly and compliant US capital markets - ETH is a blip in the overall context of that, although approving ETH does risk much larger impact and ramifications of a flood of companies  raising public money by avoiding US listing rules.
I'm not worried about it. Another entity registered their ETH ETF fund. This could all be FUD to get the prices lowered so the funds can get in at lower floors. The ETH futures would not have been approved if there was all this uncertainty regarding ETH's commodity status. It's a commodity. There are no contracts. You can buy ETH without entering any contracts.

Worse case they order that access to metamask be removed. Plans are already in place to have it on Github as a downloadable executable that anyone can run on their computers.

Fidelity files registration statement for Ethereum ETF despite regulatory uncertainty
Fidelity's actions, alongside those of other firms aiming to introduce spot ether ETFs, illustrate the growing interest in integrating digital assets into traditional financial products.

https://cryptoslate.com/fidelity-files-registration-statement-for-ethereum-etf-despite-regulatory-uncertainty/

Franklin Templeton lists Ethereum ETF on DTCC
The DTCC listing does not guarantee SEC approval of Franklin’s spot Ether ETF application.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/franklin-templeton-launches-ethereum-etf-listed-on-dtcc

BlackRock, Grayscale Amend Ethereum ETF Applications After SEC Delays
The flurry of filings follows the SEC's announcement yesterday that it would delay its decision on multiple spot Ethereum ETF proposals.

https://decrypt.co/227817/blackrock-grayscale-amend-ethereum-etf-applications-after-sec-delays

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« Reply #10838 on: May 01, 2024, 05:23:13 AM »
A hawkish FED tomorrow and it won't be looking good. Risk off will continue and each BTC support could get taken out down to ETF approval levels. Who will save us?

Ironically a surprise ETH ETF approval might be the one thing that steadies price action. SEC has gone full retard, so any craziness is still possible there. Going after ETH/denying ETH ETF and at the same time they look likely to approve leveraged ETH futures ETFs in June. They might as well have a potato in charge.

I took the opportunity to buy the dip (again just a tiny bit). I bought at exactly 56.8. Again, have no intention to trade - just happy to acquire more sats on the cheap.

Agree, short term, hawkish is bullish for the USD, (and negative for assets denominated in USD). This of course will also reverse if/when Fed becomes dovish, but in any case, the US will continue to print money, and hence devalue the USD relative to hard assets over time, regardless of interest rates.

An ETH ETF approval would definitely be positive for Eth and alts. Not so sure for BTC - lets see. But in any case, I very much doubt we would see such approval soon. Those who are so confident it will happen on May 23 are unfortunately in for a big disappointment. 

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« Reply #10839 on: May 01, 2024, 05:30:42 AM »
I'm not worried about it. Another entity registered their ETH ETF fund. This could all be FUD to get the prices lowered so the funds can get in at lower floors. The ETH futures would not have been approved if there was all this uncertainty regarding ETH's commodity status. It's a commodity. There are no contracts. You can buy ETH without entering any contracts.

Worse case they order that access to metamask be removed. Plans are already in place to have it on Github as a downloadable executable that anyone can run on their computers.

Fidelity files registration statement for Ethereum ETF despite regulatory uncertainty
Fidelity's actions, alongside those of other firms aiming to introduce spot ether ETFs, illustrate the growing interest in integrating digital assets into traditional financial products.

https://cryptoslate.com/fidelity-files-registration-statement-for-ethereum-etf-despite-regulatory-uncertainty/

Franklin Templeton lists Ethereum ETF on DTCC
The DTCC listing does not guarantee SEC approval of Franklin’s spot Ether ETF application.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/franklin-templeton-launches-ethereum-etf-listed-on-dtcc

BlackRock, Grayscale Amend Ethereum ETF Applications After SEC Delays
The flurry of filings follows the SEC's announcement yesterday that it would delay its decision on multiple spot Ethereum ETF proposals.

https://decrypt.co/227817/blackrock-grayscale-amend-ethereum-etf-applications-after-sec-delays

Anyone can file for anything. A filing is simply an request - it demonstrates nothing about the likelihood of approval. I could file for an ETH consisting of pink marshmallows - does not mean it will be approved.

Whether you think Eth is a commodity or not is irrelevant as to what a Court will decide on this issue. But if what you really mean is that you believe that a Court will decide that Eth is a commodity, and that this in turn will then require the SEC to allow spot ETH ETFs to list, and that this in turn will lead to a demand in ETH such that its price will rise, then fair enough - you should invest accordingly, and good luck to you!

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« Reply #10840 on: May 01, 2024, 08:10:37 AM »
Ah shit here we go again :)

What gold's Spot price?   Just breaking balls its what we men do.  If you still believe the BTC you bought with gold is going to go up then this is a great time to acquire more BTC. I just scooped up some more satoshis at 57K.

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« Reply #10841 on: May 01, 2024, 12:37:23 PM »
Anyone can file for anything. A filing is simply an request - it demonstrates nothing about the likelihood of approval. I could file for an ETH consisting of pink marshmallows - does not mean it will be approved.

Whether you think Eth is a commodity or not is irrelevant as to what a Court will decide on this issue. But if what you really mean is that you believe that a Court will decide that Eth is a commodity, and that this in turn will then require the SEC to allow spot ETH ETFs to list, and that this in turn will lead to a demand in ETH such that its price will rise, then fair enough - you should invest accordingly, and good luck to you!
Just before the BTC ETFs were approved, several listings were made. Then there was the fiasco where the SEC tweeted that they approved the BTC ETFs. Then they said no, our account was hacked, we did not approve it. Then a few hours later they say, we approved it. What a bunch of fucking yoyos / amateurs! Fuck me!

XRP / Ripple was judged to not be a security. How on earth will the SEC be able to prove ETH is a security if they could not prove XRP was?

Btw, Larry Fink of Blackrock says it doesn't matter even if Ethereum is classified as a security after a lawsuit. Not sure he's reasoning, but I am sure he's got some info we don't have.

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« Reply #10842 on: May 01, 2024, 12:44:26 PM »
An ETH ETF approval would definitely be positive for Eth and alts. Not so sure for BTC - lets see. But in any case, I very much doubt we would see such approval soon. Those who are so confident it will happen on May 23 are unfortunately in for a big disappointment.
Why would it be a negative for BTC? Cryptos all rise and fall with each other. Have you ever seen a bull run where only one token goes up and nothing else?

Amadeo Brands predicted the previous bull run tops. He had BTC at $70K and ETH at $5K. That's about as close as you could get.

This time his predictions are:

Optimistic:
BTC: $276,000 (4x increase)
ETH: $29,220 (6x increase)

Moderately Bullish:
BTC: $172,500 (2.5x increase)
ETH: $19,480 (4x increase)

Conservative:
BTC: $103,500 (1.5x increase)
ETH: $12,175 (2.5x increase)

In this video he states he thinks the optimistic scenario is most likely because he is an optimist.


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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10843 on: May 01, 2024, 01:13:36 PM »
What gold's Spot price?   Just breaking balls its what we men do.  If you still believe the BTC you bought with gold is going to go up then this is a great time to acquire more BTC. I just scooped up some more satoshis at 57K.
If I hadnt sold, gold would be at 1800 now and btc at 120k

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10844 on: May 01, 2024, 01:15:54 PM »
Really, I have been in the red for years now. I would be so much wealthier if I had never bought anything. It gets really exhausting psychologically

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10845 on: May 01, 2024, 01:31:26 PM »
If I hadnt sold, gold would be at 1800 now and btc at 120k

I don’t think that’s how it works chief. 

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10846 on: May 01, 2024, 01:32:20 PM »
Really, I have been in the red for years now. I would be so much wealthier if I had never bought anything. It gets really exhausting psychologically

Something tells me you aren’t DCA the BTC.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10847 on: May 01, 2024, 05:43:13 PM »
It was a great call, made even better by you not waiting for your $76k target to hit first.

I still have a bunch of staked positions open, but I expect to keep printing with them even in a downtrend (uptrend would print harder though)

I think macro is guiding us more than ever though and there is currently a huge put wall in ES that appeared almost out of no where. Maybe a front run of FOMC, so a V shape recovery may be on the cards or it could just be a line in the sand moment. First scenario could see BTC squeeze hard from here to $70k+ as it's only shorts left for the cabal to rek.  Not playing anything, but will be watching with the interest.

Yep.

The BTC ATH is in for the cycle ✅   Even if we come back up later the 76k remains the target.

The trap used is the timing. 99% believe the BTC cycle top correlates to an ATH price because that is what they have seen in the past. The reality is the cycle tops are a measurement of time, price doesn’t have to be an ATH. I warned the methodology of DCA is a BS narrative sold to retail to create a longer and larger inflow of capital to a market. So we do an ATH now and create an 18mth runway of dip buyers 😀

The ETH ETF will be approved and the timing will have meaning. We get one shot to dump and it’s the first peak. To clarify I mean when it eventually does get approved, the timing will be of important note of the start and when the peak will occur.

Over the next period you watch how many fuckers come out with 103k targets after saying 200k+.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10848 on: May 02, 2024, 01:46:58 AM »
"An ETH ETF approval would definitely be positive for Eth and alts. Not so sure for BTC - lets see. But in any case, I very much doubt we would see such approval soon. Those who are so confident it will happen on May 23 are unfortunately in for a big disappointment."

Why would it be a negative for BTC? Cryptos all rise and fall with each other. Have you ever seen a bull run where only one token goes up and nothing else?


I could be a negative to BTC in that alts, at least initially, were promoted as being an alternative to Bitcoin  - hence the term "alts". That being the case, and given that alts are unlimited in number and supply vs total inflows into "crypto" which are inherently finite, opening up flows to alts are arguably dilutive to BTC. So, that's how an ETF (which potentially encourages dilutive flows into shitcoins), could be harmful to BTC (at least in the short term).

As for why "cryptos rise and fall with each other", actually, over time, most simply fall. However it is correct, that when BTC rises, various shitcoins and "alts" rise. But we must understand - its BTC market cap which drives some inflows into shitcoins seeking to cannibalize BTC's market cap, and not the other way around...

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10849 on: May 02, 2024, 01:53:40 AM »

XRP / Ripple was judged to not be a security. How on earth will the SEC be able to prove ETH is a security if they could not prove XRP was?

Btw, Larry Fink of Blackrock says it doesn't matter even if Ethereum is classified as a security after a lawsuit. Not sure he's reasoning, but I am sure he's got some info we don't have.

XRP WAS held to be an illegally issued security. And hence Ripple and its various executives are now facing huge fines and possible criminal sentences. What was not help to be a criminal breach of securities laws, was for individuals to trade those illegally issued shares among themselves. Read the judgement - its quite clearly written and explained (and also still very unclear whether an exchange is permitted to facilitate the trade of such illegally issued securities). It is for this reason, obviously, that you have not seen any XRP ETF approved (which you would think would be the case, following your logic).

Not sure what is meant by the Fink quote, but it is clear that ETH as a technology will continue despite ETH being ruled a security and despite there being no Eth ETF. Maybe that is what he meant?