You can say I am a third tier pro, that's your opinion and that's fine, but then again I have been top 5 in almost every top professional show in the world, HUUMMMMMM! I'll take that any day ofthe week....
Year Contest Placing
1991 N.P.C. Virginia Cup Teenage 1st Overall
1994 N.P.C. Teens, Masters, Collegiate Nationals Collegiate 1st Overall
1996 N.P.C. Men's, Women's, Mixed Pairs Nationals Tied for 10th
1997 N.P.C. Golds' Gym Classic Men's 1st Overall
1997 N.P.C. Men's, Women's, Mixed Pairs Tied for 7th
1998 N.P.C. Men's, Women's, Mixed Pairs 3rd Place
1999 N.P.C. Men's, Women's, Mixed Pairs 1st Place
2001 IFBB IRONMAN PRO INVITATIONAL 3rd Place
2001 Arnold Schwarzenneger Classic 4th Place
2001 Mr. Olympia 10th Place
2002 Mr. Olympia 17th Place
2002 GNC Show of Strength 11th Place
2003 Night of Champions 4th Place
2004 Arnold Classic 8th Place
2004 Australia Pro 5th Place
2005 Ironman Pro Invitational 5th Place
2005 Arnold Classic 11th Place
2005 San Fran Pro 12th Place
2006 New York Pro 6th Place
Not to be picky....but you average top 6 in a show....Still impressive though.
The reason why I & some others consider you a 3rd tier pro is because you fudged on a couple big shows. Look at Shawn's Competitive History. He had an average of placing in the top 2 per show. This is what a 1 tier Pro's record should look like:Year Contest Placing
1983 Orange Coast Championships 2nd Place
1983 California Gold Cup 1st Place
1984 Mr. Los Angeles NPC 3rd Place
1984 Mr. Teenage Los Angeles AAU 1st Place
1984 Teenage Mr. California 1st Place
1984 Teenage National Championships 2nd Place
1985 Teenage Mr. Orange County 1st Place
1985 Teenage National Championships 1st Place
1985 Jr. World Championships 1st Place
1986 Jr. National Championships 2nd Place
1987 Mr. California 1st Place
1987 National Championships 1st Place
1988 Mr. Olympia 13th Place
1990 Pro Ironman Champion 1 st Place
1990 Arnold Classic 1st Place
1990 Mr. Olympia 3rd Place
1991 Arnold Classic 1st Place
1991 Mr. Olympia 5 th Place
1992 Mr. Olympia 4th Place
1993 Mr. Olympia 3rd Place
1994 Mr. Olympia 2nd Place
1995 Mr. Olympia 4 th Place
1996 Pro Ironman 3rd Place
1996 Arnold Classic 5th Place
1996 Mr. Olympia 2nd Place
1997 Mr. Olympia 3rd Place
1998 Mr. Olympia 5th Place
1999 Mr. Olympia 5th Place
2000 Mr. Olympia 4th Place
2001 Mr. Olympia 4th Place
And here is a thought, I'm only 34 and have a long career ahead of me, you just might be surprised. 
How old was Shawn Ray when he did all that damage in the Pro ranks?
And as far as my health, email me your address and I will send you a copy of my blood work done last week. I will makea bet with you that my levels are as good if not better than yours.. Up for a bet?
I would not take that bet. I know quite a few people that have perfect blood work & then all of a sudden "wham" their numbers go off the chart. Not trying to jinx you & I hope you remain healthy...but one minute your blood work can say one thing...the next month can be a complete different story.
I have everything I ever wanted from the sport of bodybuilding except for a pro win and that is on the horizon.
Just hang in there....Hell it took Bob C. how long?
and have Shawn Ray talk carpabout you on a daily basis and insult your career, life, and accomplishments and let's see how you respond
Are you saying that Shawn has actually gotten to you?
Damn....I need to add another Pro Win to his competitive results... & I thought he was retired - lol
King Kamali
King don't hate you man....I just see what other people see. I still think you have a good shot at not just pulling a Pro win...but maybe a couple.
One thing thats very difficult for a Competitive Bodybuilder is you're dealing all the time with constructive criticism. In this world remember....people hate for no reason other than to just hate.